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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 1, 2019 9:54:52 GMT -5
Sometimes it seems like there is more complaining and griping than happiness, so I wanted to see how many are happy or at least satisfied/content with tryouts. Also curious as to how many still don't know their fate (a friend said that Concorde central told their age group they would be informed of their team placement by next week Thursday).
For us, younger child.. happy with coach and team placement. Older child starts tryouts Monday.
Let's be happy for each other.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Jun 1, 2019 11:13:55 GMT -5
Happy with 07 boy at CF, hoping to confirm 1 more strong player soon to round out what could be a very good team.
05 boy getting ready for an intensely competitive week at CF!
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Post by soccerlegacy on Jun 3, 2019 5:22:18 GMT -5
For a returning player, what is the right night that they should be told they made the team again this year?
I get that there can be new players always coming out, but if they are not a bubble player, when should they be able to get confirmation?
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Post by Brinker on Jun 3, 2019 5:26:07 GMT -5
For a returning player, what is the right night that they should be told they made the team again this year? I get that there can be new players always coming out, but if they are not a bubble player, when should they be able to get confirmation? For NASA DA, they didn’t tell the returning kids until the final night, but there was strong competition for spots on that squad. |
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Post by Keeper on Jun 3, 2019 21:45:43 GMT -5
For a returning player, what is the right night that they should be told they made the team again this year? I get that there can be new players always coming out, but if they are not a bubble player, when should they be able to get confirmation? If you were a starter or top 10 player, before tryouts even started. Players 12-18 I’d say the day after tryouts end when you reach out to all the players. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 3, 2019 22:42:08 GMT -5
For a returning player, what is the right night that they should be told they made the team again this year? I get that there can be new players always coming out, but if they are not a bubble player, when should they be able to get confirmation? Depends on the level. Top returning kids from DA teams were told before tryouts even began |
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Post by soccernotfootball on Jun 4, 2019 7:42:47 GMT -5
Some coaches/clubs will communicate prior but most will wait until that final day.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Jun 4, 2019 9:29:22 GMT -5
Top team players returning know before tryouts where they stand including those who need to find another team. Coaches want to keep their players and should be up front with players they aren't keeping.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 4, 2019 9:50:54 GMT -5
But they likely don't know if they're keeping them or not. There's no telling which players you THINK you're keeping that go elsewhere. There's no telling who will come to one tryout, look amazing, decide they dont like it, and dont come back. Hence some players you think you're demoting may be your beat options for the following year.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Jun 4, 2019 10:08:06 GMT -5
I am referencing the top team i.e DA/ECNL. Conversations are held prior to tryouts including incoming new players. In these instances, coaches may be looking for 1 to 3 players unless their team was a train wreck the previous season. Most coaches know who the top players are by age u14. It's no secret. The players know who they are and often recruit for a team.
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Post by soccerguru on Jun 4, 2019 13:04:35 GMT -5
Players that are the greatest at u14, most likely will not sit on the throne at u16.
U13/14 are big years and u16 usually levels the playing field. I have seen many Players that were on 2nd and 3rd teams
at u13, develop into superstars at u16. If coaches still think those superstars at u14 are the best, they need to remove their blinders.
I got 3 kids playing travel ball and it has been a long beautiful journey with extreme highs and some deep lows. Keep em working and make sure they still love it.
Tryouts are the hardest place to be seen, with most coaches already having their teams picked at the highest levels, good or bad that's how it works.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Jun 4, 2019 14:05:47 GMT -5
I disagree except for maybe those that are significantly larger at u14. Your premise seems to be that those ahead ahead at u14 don't continue developing at u14, u16, etc. It has been our experience that this is not the case. There are kids better who will continue to be better. This is why there are teams that provide positive experiences for all levels of players. If everyone was of equal ability, interest, dedication etc. there would only be one level and league. I wish the best for every player to find the perfect team which caters to their ability and needs.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 4, 2019 16:24:30 GMT -5
I disagree except for maybe those that are significantly larger at u14. Your premise seems to be that those ahead ahead at u14 don't continue developing at u14, u16, etc. It has been our experience that this is not the case. There are kids better who will continue to be better. This is why there are teams that provide positive experiences for all levels of players. If everyone was of equal ability, interest, dedication etc. there would only be one level and league. I wish the best for every player to find the perfect team which caters to their ability and needs. Maybe they stay superstars and maybe they don't. I know quite a few that were superstars at U14 who lost interest due to friends/school/other sports or had a setback like injury or a coach that did not play them as much as they wanted (DA team) as they got older and they struggled with the adversity that they had never faced. People change. Not all coaches favor the same style of player. Etc. |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Jun 4, 2019 17:00:18 GMT -5
If they've lost interest. I doubt they continue playing and trying out for those high level teams. I hear this argument every year during tryouts. The same holds true, the best players end up on the top teams if they so choose. As I've said, there are teams for everyone and for that I'm thankful. Good luck to the players during this time.
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Post by soccerguru on Jun 4, 2019 18:50:41 GMT -5
You also have to realize that these kids have not been exposed at u13 to the following outside influences:
1. Members of the opposite sex
2. Drugs and Alcohol
3. Social Aspects
Those 3 alone have ended promising careers, and sometimes make a freight train take a dirt road.
It's a very long walk and sometimes roots grow in the trails that set people back and make them take other routes.
I have too many stories to tell, but the ones that make it through and actually follow their dreams are inspiring.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 4, 2019 19:12:41 GMT -5
If they've lost interest. I doubt they continue playing and trying out for those high level teams. I hear this argument every year during tryouts. The same holds true, the best players end up on the top teams if they so choose. As I've said, there are teams for everyone and for that I'm thankful. Good luck to the players during this time. I know some that still play ECNL despite no longer wanting to play college. Plenty of kids will not lose interest completely but can lose the fire to be the superstars. |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Jun 4, 2019 19:41:42 GMT -5
Just because they aren't interested in college doesn't equate to them still being better than most players. I would argue no player who lost that drive would agree to the time commitment or travel time, costs, etc. Its simply not logical.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 4, 2019 20:26:00 GMT -5
Just because they aren't interested in college doesn't equate to them still being better than most players. I would argue no player who lost that drive would agree to the time commitment or travel time, costs, etc. Its simply not logical. Haha! People are always logical? Teenagers especially? The desire to play in college is somewhat secondary, but I used that to say that some of the love for the game was gone. These were passionate players and then not so passionate. I know several people who have done this over time...still played at the highest levels (ECNL usually, not DA) but lost their fire/joy and with that loss came loss of status as a superstar. You may not agree with me, but I am stating this as a few people I have known for years. |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Jun 4, 2019 21:42:02 GMT -5
I can’t wait to share what went down at the CF/SSA 05 boys DA tryouts today! But it will have to wait until tomorrow.
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Jun 4, 2019 23:29:24 GMT -5
I can’t wait to share what went down at the CF/SSA 05 boys DA tryouts today! But it will have to wait until tomorrow. It is tomorrow now ... |
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Post by Keeper on Jun 4, 2019 23:31:11 GMT -5
Just because they aren't interested in college doesn't equate to them still being better than most players. I would argue no player who lost that drive would agree to the time commitment or travel time, costs, etc. Its simply not logical. Oh yes they will! Peer pressure from teammates/friends will make kids do just about anything and I’ve known plenty of parents that have told their ECNL kid to suck it up and play because mommy wants to brag about her daughter playing ECNL. |
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Post by guest on Jun 5, 2019 5:47:25 GMT -5
Well there are ~18 fewer ECNL spots this year so there is an interesting dynamic going on. Some former top hat players will agree to play on the DPL team. But I imagine some will not. Some will move to CF, GSA and AFU.
Now tell an 01 who has played ECNL for a long time for a particular club that you either play SCCL or move clubs for your last year. Saw this last night.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 5, 2019 6:27:58 GMT -5
Well there are ~18 fewer ECNL spots this year so there is an interesting dynamic going on. Some former top hat players will agree to play on the DPL team. But I imagine some will not. Some will move to CF, GSA and AFU. Now tell an 01 who has played ECNL for a long time for a particular club that you either play SCCL or move clubs for your last year. Saw this last night. That is sad. I feel for the young lady. I have seen a fair amount of movement around again this year. Some bubble players getting cut...some trying out (switching ECNL for DA) and not making it. How much TH ECNL played into this is hard to say because many of the moving around kids are from other teams but could be trickle down effect. |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jun 5, 2019 7:35:41 GMT -5
I disagree except for maybe those that are significantly larger at u14. Your premise seems to be that those ahead ahead at u14 don't continue developing at u14, u16, etc. It has been our experience that this is not the case. There are kids better who will continue to be better. This is why there are teams that provide positive experiences for all levels of players. If everyone was of equal ability, interest, dedication etc. there would only be one level and league. I wish the best for every player to find the perfect team which caters to their ability and needs. Maybe they stay superstars and maybe they don't. I know quite a few that were superstars at U14 who lost interest due to friends/school/other sports or had a setback like injury or a coach that did not play them as much as they wanted (DA team) as they got older and they struggled with the adversity that they had never faced. People change. Not all coaches favor the same style of player. Etc. Very true, plus players interests change. For example, 2 UFA DA players from last year decided to give up DA: 1 decided she no longer wanted to be a DA goalie so dropped down to play field on the UFA NPL team and the other player, who was also ufa DA’s top goal scorer, decided to go back to her home club to play NL. No one would have predicted either of those a year ago. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Jun 5, 2019 9:44:06 GMT -5
Maybe they stay superstars and maybe they don't. I know quite a few that were superstars at U14 who lost interest due to friends/school/other sports or had a setback like injury or a coach that did not play them as much as they wanted (DA team) as they got older and they struggled with the adversity that they had never faced. People change. Not all coaches favor the same style of player. Etc. Very true, plus players interests change. For example, 2 UFA DA players from last year decided to give up DA: 1 decided she no longer wanted to be a DA goalie so dropped down to play field on the UFA NPL team and the other player, who was also ufa DA’s top goal scorer, decided to go back to her home club to play NL. No one would have predicted either of those a year ago. Eehhh.. not so sure nobody predicted the 2nd one. She was a HUGE fish in a tiny pond for years.. IMO waited too long to go to a big club and when she suddenly wasn't the huge fish anymore, she really didn't like it. Anyone who knew her as a kid wouldn't be surprised by her reaction.
The keeper is a bit of a surprise, but apparently she was playing keeper because she was good at it, but not because she loved it. |
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Post by watchme25 on Jun 5, 2019 12:21:15 GMT -5
Very true, plus players interests change. For example, 2 UFA DA players from last year decided to give up DA: 1 decided she no longer wanted to be a DA goalie so dropped down to play field on the UFA NPL team and the other player, who was also ufa DA’s top goal scorer, decided to go back to her home club to play NL. No one would have predicted either of those a year ago. Eehhh.. not so sure nobody predicted the 2nd one. She was a HUGE fish in a tiny pond for years.. IMO waited too long to go to a big club and when she suddenly wasn't the huge fish anymore, she really didn't like it. Anyone who knew her as a kid wouldn't be surprised by her reaction.
The keeper is a bit of a surprise, but apparently she was playing keeper because she was good at it, but not because she loved it. I agree with Oracle about sometimes superstars by talent don’t want to be superstars, by choice. The expression that “people tend throw rocks at things that shine” is 100% true. They still play at a high level (DA/ECNL), because they love the sport, but shy away from that “superstar” status that their natural talent affords them. Being a “superstar” doesn’t mean that that he/she is perfect. They’re kids and they are learning too. But if you are a superstar, be prepared to be hated, maligned, and criticized (by teammates and their parent too!!). It goes with the territory. It takes some kids longer to learn to deal with, and some never get there, sadly. So it’s not necessarily a “big fish/little pond” scenario. I hope the UFA DA girl who went back to home club decides to give a different team (DA or ECNL) a shot. I hope she doesn’t let players not as talented as herself, dim her light. Everyone knows that particular UFA DA team has some the same core group of girls that created the toxic cess pool that was the pre-da team the year before and sent that team scattering into the winds. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 5, 2019 17:36:05 GMT -5
Eehhh.. not so sure nobody predicted the 2nd one. She was a HUGE fish in a tiny pond for years.. IMO waited too long to go to a big club and when she suddenly wasn't the huge fish anymore, she really didn't like it. Anyone who knew her as a kid wouldn't be surprised by her reaction.
The keeper is a bit of a surprise, but apparently she was playing keeper because she was good at it, but not because she loved it. I agree with Oracle about sometimes superstars by talent don’t want to be superstars, by choice. The expression that “people tend throw rocks at things that shine” is 100% true. They still play at a high level (DA/ECNL), because they love the sport, but shy away from that “superstar” status that their natural talent affords them. Being a “superstar” doesn’t mean that that he/she is perfect. They’re kids and they are learning too. But if you are a superstar, be prepared to be hated, maligned, and criticized (by teammates and their parent too!!). It goes with the territory. It takes some kids longer to learn to deal with, and some never get there, sadly. So it’s not necessarily a “big fish/little pond” scenario. I hope the UFA DA girl who went back to home club decides to give a different team (DA or ECNL) a shot. I hope she doesn’t let players not as talented as herself, dim her light. Everyone knows that particular UFA DA team has some the same core group of girls that created the toxic cess pool that was the pre-da team the year before and sent that team scattering into the winds. Nearly all that you said here is true. However I strongly believe that is not why she left. She is very talented, but her attitude was not great before...most kids that played with her found her to be very difficult. I heard the coach call her out for her attitude and laziness more than once at UFA, but I know they said it behind her back at her previous club even if they weren't brave enough to say it to her face. That said, I like the girl. She is a great kid off the field. She is young and as many kids do, she has a lot of growing up to do. I wish her happiness and success on the field and off. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 6, 2019 9:45:37 GMT -5
I can’t wait to share what went down at the CF/SSA 05 boys DA tryouts today! But it will have to wait until tomorrow. Did we ever get the story, sounds juicy.........  |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Jun 6, 2019 10:27:46 GMT -5
Trying to decide how to phrase it b/c a lot of people know me on here.
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Post by 4theloveofsoccer on Jun 6, 2019 10:40:16 GMT -5
Trying to decide how to phrase it b/c a lot of people know me on here. This twisting suspense is just like the "UFA Announcement" Please share before flames are gone.  |
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