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Post by soccernotfootball on Jun 6, 2019 10:48:51 GMT -5
Trying to decide how to phrase it b/c a lot of people know me on here. I don't think most of us on the forum would use posts to cause trouble for someone... maybe I'm wrong??? |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Jun 6, 2019 11:19:21 GMT -5
The details are not important. I don’t want to influence anyone or throw any director, club, coach, kid, or parent under the bus. Everyone has and must own their individual experience. Suffice it to say that I’m personally disillusioned. My kids ended up in good places on the teams and with the coaches they wanted and I hope every other parent/player feels the same. The process was just extremely and unnecessarily ludicrous.
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Post by soccerdad76 on Jun 6, 2019 11:25:17 GMT -5
The details are not important. I don’t want to influence anyone or throw any director, club, coach, kid, or parent under the bus. Everyone has and must own their individual experience. Suffice it to say that I’m personally disillusioned. My kids ended up in good places on the teams and with the coaches they wanted and I hope every other parent/player feels the same. The process was just extremely and unnecessarily ludicrous. Is the process generic enough to describe? Plenty have said plenty about clubs not paying attention to (new) kids, already having teams pre-determined before tryouts, etc. Sounds like what you witnessed was different, or a worse version of the norm. I can understand and appreciate your reluctance. Nobody should go on here and blast a kid’s talent, or even a coach that has (in one’s eyes) improperly assessed a kid’s talent, likely to the detriment of their own. But if a club is doing something, right or wrong, that is valuable information to share. Especially an open tryout... everyone on this message board is free to go observe themselves. That’s a big time commitment, so we rely on each other. Reading all of this takes enough time as it is. 😜 Hoping you will reconsider and share. |
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Post by soccerspin on Jun 6, 2019 11:37:11 GMT -5
And aren’t we talking about the same 05B CF DA team that replaced around eight players during last year’s tryouts without letting those that were cut know they were in jeopardy (through end of year review etc)? Thought I remembered a thread on that from last year. And it stuck with me because we are familiar with a couple of those new boys that joined during last year’s tryouts...
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Jun 6, 2019 11:53:20 GMT -5
I can sum it up in this way: what I witnessed was startling unprofessionalism and a complete lack of respect for the “home” club by the entire incoming entourage of another club given the reigns of a Boys 05 DA team. The powers that be at the “home” club in question are also pretty ticked off, from what I’ve been told. I will have to leave it at that.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Jun 6, 2019 11:56:39 GMT -5
Only one of those kids last year that wanted to make the team was released and he went on to develop really well on the ECNL team and is heading to Nationals. The others all made their own decisions before tryouts, some with and some without the coach’s counseling.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 6, 2019 12:03:03 GMT -5
I've seen it all, but there is a reason Clark Griswald went bat shizat when he didn't get his bonus in christmas vacation - don't wait until the 12th hour on the last day of tryouts for a kid that has been at the club since they were 7 to let them know they really never had a chance to make the team and was not in the mix etc.
A l i t t l e
c o m m u n i c a t i o n
g o e s
a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong
W a Y ! ! ! ! !
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Jun 6, 2019 12:24:19 GMT -5
I’ll add this, now that I can’t seem to stop myself. This is not about player selection in the least. Coaches are going to have their core group figured out before tryouts - that’s just the way it is across the board. But the coach must demand that the players he’s already selected be professional, come to every session and play their best at tryouts to help him fill the other spots. He shouldn’t allow his kids to play garbage soccer, laugh and point at other kids, and have their freaking phones out when they’re not on the field. And maybe not leave the field and equipment trashed after tryouts for the next group of coaches coming in to have to deal with. The vibe was so bad, at least 2 NTC players declined offers from this guy. Now, how bad does it have to be for those kinds of players to decline DA for ECNL?
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Post by Brinker on Jun 6, 2019 12:35:40 GMT -5
I’ll add this, now that I can’t seem to stop myself. This is not about player selection in the least. Coaches are going to have their core group figured out before tryouts - that’s just the way it is across the board. But the coach must demand that the players he’s already selected be professional, come to every session and play their best at tryouts to help him fill the other spots. He shouldn’t allow his kids to play garbage soccer, laugh and point at other kids, and have their freaking phones out when they’re not on the field. And maybe not leave the field and equipment trashed after tryouts for the next group of coaches coming in to have to deal with. The vibe was so bad, at least 2 NTC players declined offers from this guy. Now, how bad does it have to be for those kinds of players to decline DA for ECNL? This is one reason why NTH-NASA really needs to get DA for U15-19. They are not perfect, but I think Atlanta-area soccer would benefit from their DA involvement at older ages. I saw NTH welcome new players into their DA program because those kids deserved it and it was for the benefit of the team. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jun 6, 2019 13:01:24 GMT -5
This is one reason why NTH-NASA really needs to get DA for U15-19. They are not perfect, but I think Atlanta-area soccer would benefit from their DA involvement at older ages. I saw NTH welcome new players into their DA program because those kids deserved it and it was for the benefit of the team. I heard the same shenanigans about the CF/SSA tryouts, but even with that said, I think SSA should get a DA slot for the U15s+ before NTH. NTH already has DA for the girls and mixed bag on the boys side with ECNL. Their size and location would even things out for folks around the city. East/West/Central parts of the city would be covered from a travel standpoint. |
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Post by soccerballz on Jun 6, 2019 13:08:12 GMT -5
I'm just trying to figure out the logic to give the reigns to another club for that 05 team. The 05 team was a good team, and the SSA while a little better does not merit a complete overhaul(if that's what happened) of the current team. They players would have come anyway right? Where else would they go if they wanted to play DA? The team would have been made stronger with a few key players from SSA. I'd imagine SSA Players are closer to Concorde than UFA and Atlanta United wouldn't have taken all of them.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jun 6, 2019 13:24:38 GMT -5
I believe the SSA coach is getting this team. Personally, being that the crest on the jersey says CF, this should be a team that was instead given to a CF coach and not an SSA coach.
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Post by Brinker on Jun 6, 2019 13:47:10 GMT -5
This is one reason why NTH-NASA really needs to get DA for U15-19. They are not perfect, but I think Atlanta-area soccer would benefit from their DA involvement at older ages. I saw NTH welcome new players into their DA program because those kids deserved it and it was for the benefit of the team. I heard the same shenanigans about the CF/SSA tryouts, but even with that said, I think SSA should get a DA slot for the U15s+ before NTH. NTH already has DA for the girls and mixed bag on the boys side with ECNL. Their size and location would even things out for folks around the city. East/West/Central parts of the city would be covered from a travel standpoint. I am guessing here, but I think the CF/SSA "merger" ends any thought of SSA getting their own DA slot for U15s+ for boys. It seems that DA slot is now a joint slot for CF and SSA. I would think if the Atlanta area is granted a fourth DA boys program for U15+, then NTH-NASA would be the logical choice? |
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Post by soccerspin on Jun 6, 2019 13:52:27 GMT -5
I’ll add this, now that I can’t seem to stop myself. This is not about player selection in the least. Coaches are going to have their core group figured out before tryouts - that’s just the way it is across the board. But the coach must demand that the players he’s already selected be professional, come to every session and play their best at tryouts to help him fill the other spots. He shouldn’t allow his kids to play garbage soccer, laugh and point at other kids, and have their freaking phones out when they’re not on the field. And maybe not leave the field and equipment trashed after tryouts for the next group of coaches coming in to have to deal with. The vibe was so bad, at least 2 NTC players declined offers from this guy. Now, how bad does it have to be for those kinds of players to decline DA for ECNL? Very sad for the boys who had to endure this nonsense at the tryout. But I very much appreciate this information being shared as then we can try to be more aware of potential scenarios such as this and do our best to avoid them. (As much as anyone possibly can) |
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Post by girlsoccer on Jun 6, 2019 16:20:24 GMT -5
I've seen it all, but there is a reason Clark Griswald went bat shizat when he didn't get his bonus in christmas vacation - don't wait until the 12th hour on the last day of tryouts for a kid that has been at the club since they were 7 to let them know they really never had a chance to make the team and was not in the mix etc. A l i t t l e c o m m u n i c a t i o n g o e s a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong W a Y ! ! ! ! ! THIS . ^^^^^^ . I don't understand why it's that difficult to communicate.. On that note - how long should a kid wait to hear back. Honestly asking for a friend. My daughter got her offer and has accepted but friend went to Day 3 of tryouts today... Apparently the kid had a really good showing - said the coach was positive and told them to stay by the phone. Now the mom is asking me what to expect. I've never been in that situation so couldn't help her. I explained the process and order of teams and how the higher teams need to make offers / wait etc... but how long should she wait. The group was trying out for SCCL/ SCCL-P and Athena A teams. SCCL today. Sccl-p tomorrow. Athena A saturday |
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Post by greenmonkey on Jun 6, 2019 19:22:27 GMT -5
Player notified in person parent notified by phone. Thank God that is over ... and this was for a spot on a returning team at a returning club with a returning coach ...
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 6, 2019 20:37:03 GMT -5
So glad that the week is over. Happy that some new people came in to improve our team. Coach seems to be good and positive. Club helped to improve some of the deficits in the way last year went. Overall an improvement for next season.
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Post by soccerguru on Jun 6, 2019 22:58:25 GMT -5
CF tryouts have always been a complete joke. I've witnessed at least 15 of them in my time. Normally, they try to handcuff you into staying for 3 days before letting you know. We have been at all ends of the spectrum that is:
1. Known before tryouts (TO) we were on the team
2. Knew before TO and then pushed to another team
3. Knew they were on the bubble and then chosen
4. Knew they were on the bubble and then released.
and this time offered ECNL spot first 5 minutes when trying out for DA. This time a high level coach actually spoke with my son and told the truth before, during and after what was going to happen. Kudos to this coach, he just got my gold card for respect.
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Post by soccerguru on Jun 6, 2019 23:01:08 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear about the 05 scenario, but just look at the leadership at CF and you can't expect anything else.
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Post by Brinker on Jun 7, 2019 5:48:45 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear about the 05 scenario, but just look at the leadership at CF and you can't expect anything else. This may be why SSA feels entitled to take over at CF. I also understand many of the most liked CF coaches have moved to NTH-NASA already. |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Jun 7, 2019 13:48:14 GMT -5
This has to be the craziest tryout season that I have been involved in my 5-6 years. I have a friend who's daughter is an 04 player on a very good NL team that I have been told is breaking up because a coach moved back home and girls being accepted at other clubs. Lucky for her she was in town to scramble to some tryouts with other teams. She made 2 teams at local club now she is just trying to confirm if her old 04 team will be there but says not looking good. The same thing is happening to another friend who played on a very competitive Athena A 03 team. Unfortunately she was not in town for tryouts so now she is scrambling for a team. My daughter team had about 8-9 girls leave after our coach left. Thank God we are at a club that doesn't have a headcount issue so I think we will be ok.
This is why I hate this time of year. One change cause major ripples for every club and player. Then parents are left panicking to find a team for their kid. I feel so bad for these families because they are both great families with great kids. I am so glad I am close to the end of my career with youth soccer. We definitely have a love hate relationship
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Post by soccerlegacy on Jun 7, 2019 14:06:49 GMT -5
This has to be the craziest tryout season that I have been involved in my 5-6 years. I have a friend who's daughter is an 04 player on a very good NL team that I have been told is breaking up because a coach moved back home and girls being accepted at other clubs. Lucky for her she was in town to scramble to some tryouts with other teams. She made 2 teams at local club now she is just trying to confirm if her old 04 team will be there but says not looking good. The same thing is happening to another friend who played on a very competitive Athena A 03 team. Unfortunately she was not in town for tryouts so now she is scrambling for a team. My daughter team had about 8-9 girls leave after our coach left. Thank God we are at a club that doesn't have a headcount issue so I think we will be ok. This is why I hate this time of year. One change cause major ripples for every club and player. Then parents are left panicking to find a team for their kid. I feel so bad for these families because they are both great families with great kids. I am so glad I am close to the end of my career with youth soccer. We definitely have a love hate relationship Yet another reason why players migrate to the bigger clubs... security in headcount (always have enough for multiple teams) and parity of intra-squad talent. I feel for your friends, I've been one of those panicked... it's a horrible predicament to be in. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jun 7, 2019 14:20:52 GMT -5
I believe the SSA coach is getting this team. Personally, being that the crest on the jersey says CF, this should be a team that was instead given to a CF coach and not an SSA coach. This information was already widely broadcasted through SSA and I assume CF as well as soon as the SSA/CF alliance was announced. It was told that the DA coach for the 05 SSA teams was going to get the reigns for the CF U15 slot this year. I'm not sure anyone trying out for DA at that age group was surprised of that. They might have been surprised with how it was handled at try-outs, but everyone knew the SSA coach was coaching this team. It was part of the alliance agreement. I would assume at some point some CF coach will be coaching an NPL spot for SSA etc.... I kind of still have my doubts on a full-on CF/SSA merger though. |
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Post by beentheredonethat on Jun 7, 2019 15:13:18 GMT -5
Im not sure that is accurate. Based on what I heard from a reliable source the powers that be at CF made this deal with SSA and never told their own DA director about it. Supposedly he found out via parents and players after it got leaked by SSA families. Not verified info but as I said from a reliable source.
Maybe that's part of the reason he decided to move on. Either way its CF's loss and NTH's gain.
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Post by soccerloafer on Jun 8, 2019 16:10:24 GMT -5
For the first time in about 7 years, all my playing kids are happy with their selections. All were placed where I (and they) feel they belong. Hoping for a good year to follow.
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Post by Keeper on Jun 8, 2019 19:50:40 GMT -5
For the first time in about 7 years, all my playing kids are happy with their selections. All were placed where I (and they) feel they belong. Hoping for a good year to follow. Lucky you! We unfortunately got the “bad” news that one of ours didn’t make the team he wanted so now to go back to the old club that’s a mess but he has friends at, or trust the new club at a lower level. |
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Post by girlsoccer on Jun 8, 2019 20:13:31 GMT -5
All 3 of mine ended up at appropriate levels, but one of mine switched clubs. We have always had our kids at the same club for the last 10 years and felt very loyal, so it was such a painful decision. I know the club couldn’t care less but it was very difficult for us. There were lots of tears (okay, the tears were all mine 😂). In the end though, each have great coaches and are at the right place for them. But why does tryout week have to be so traumatic?! I’m exhausted!
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Post by freeyouthsoccer on Jun 8, 2019 20:25:00 GMT -5
All 3 of mine ended up at appropriate levels, but one of mine switched clubs. We have always had our kids at the same club for the last 10 years and felt very loyal, so it was such a painful decision. I know the club couldn’t care less but it was very difficult for us. There were lots of tears (okay, the tears were all mine 😂). In the end though, each have great coaches and are at the right place for them. But why does tryout week have to be so traumatic?! I’m exhausted! I feel your pain. I didn't play a minute of futbol and I was wiped! |
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Post by freeyouthsoccer on Jun 8, 2019 20:28:14 GMT -5
CF tryouts have always been a complete joke. I've witnessed at least 15 of them in my time. Normally, they try to handcuff you into staying for 3 days before letting you know. We have been at all ends of the spectrum that is: 1. Known before tryouts (TO) we were on the team 2. Knew before TO and then pushed to another team 3. Knew they were on the bubble and then chosen 4. Knew they were on the bubble and then released. and this time offered ECNL spot first 5 minutes when trying out for DA. This time a high level coach actually spoke with my son and told the truth before, during and after what was going to happen. Kudos to this coach, he just got my gold card for respect. "Handcuff" is the spot-on term. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jun 9, 2019 7:47:37 GMT -5
This has to be the craziest tryout season that I have been involved in my 5-6 years. I am so glad I am close to the end of my career with youth soccer. We definitely have a love hate relationshipYou can't begin to imagine the weight off your chest, shoulders, head and soul when you're done with this relationship we call Youth Soccer. This is the first time since initially stepping into youth soccer, that I can ever remember enjoying tryouts. Not having to call, text, charge and check my phone for offers or release. No pacing the sidelines, making eye contact with coaches, listening out for what others are doing, counting and recounting the players on my daughter's team, do we have enough or too many? Seeing who is trying out for her specific position, hiding from coach so I don't get suckered into being Team Mom/Manager, phew... Thank you baby Jesus, we're all done with that 🙌🙌 Can't wait for you to come join us at the cheap seats, watch the chaos and enjoy an adult beverage or two 🍷🍺🍸🍹 |
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