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Post by wow on Jun 12, 2019 12:52:12 GMT -5
If SCCL 1 is equal to Athena A why would SCCL 2 not be equal to Athena B?
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Post by soccerlegacy on Jun 12, 2019 13:17:03 GMT -5
If SCCL 1 is equal to Athena A why would SCCL 2 not be equal to Athena B? Where was this stated?  |
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 12, 2019 13:35:48 GMT -5
This discussion gets so tired and it seems like every discussion about any league devolves into a discussion about league ranking. Play the league you play, win as many games in your league as you can, and when you go to tournaments see where your team stands. Other than that, who really cares?!
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 12, 2019 13:48:21 GMT -5
Remember this one? GYSA showing SCCL as equivalent to Athena B? LOL. usys-assets.ae-admin.com/assets/970/15/MainFCKEditorDimension/Youth%20Soccer%20Email%20Image_update3.pngIf I had to guess, I'd assume that on average every SCCL bracket from fall 2018 had 2 SRPL teams from the previous fall/spring. I think that if you do the research, it will largely bare out the idea that SCCL == NL Piedmont and SCCL-P == Athena A. For those that disagree, do your research on the teams that were SRPL, the big 5 largely owned the GA spots.
Actually, hell, I did the research: U14 - Spring 2018 SRPL : NTH, UFA, SSA U15 - Fall 2017 SRPL : UFA, SSA U16 - Fall 2017 SRPL : UFA U17 - Fall 2017 SRPL : SSA, GSA, GSA, SSA U18 - Fall 2017 SRPL : UFA, NTH, CF, GSA Most of those teams moved to SCCL. Hence, SCCL = NL Piedmont If you look at Athena A from fall 2018/Spring 2019, there are 4-5 teams from the big 6 in each A bracket who will be moving to SCCL-P. |
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Post by papacoach on Jun 12, 2019 13:56:22 GMT -5
Who cares is the players, coaches, parents and anyone involved with youth sports..
One of the first questions asked by coaches and on player registration is.. what level of play are you currently at or played prior..
Team rankings based on age does take in account of the opposing teams’ strength... an NPL team beating an ECNL seems to carry more weight in points earn for promotion through the different stages within the rankings system.. A ECNL team losing to a lower team like NPL or C1 is penalized.
True, NPL vs ECNL is purely team based per age grouping and open to speculation, however, based on feedback from coaches, ECNL seems to be higher in competition
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Post by wow on Jun 12, 2019 14:44:28 GMT -5
Very true. Never admit to having played in SCCL if at soccer tryouts.
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Post by messindreams on Jun 12, 2019 14:51:32 GMT -5
Remember this one? GYSA showing SCCL as equivalent to Athena B? LOL. usys-assets.ae-admin.com/assets/970/15/MainFCKEditorDimension/Youth%20Soccer%20Email%20Image_update3.pngIf I had to guess, I'd assume that on average every SCCL bracket from fall 2018 had 2 SRPL teams from the previous fall/spring. I think that if you do the research, it will largely bare out the idea that SCCL == NL Piedmont and SCCL-P == Athena A. For those that disagree, do your research on the teams that were SRPL, the big 5 largely owned the GA spots.
Actually, hell, I did the research: U14 - Spring 2018 SRPL : NTH, UFA, SSA U15 - Fall 2017 SRPL : UFA, SSA U16 - Fall 2017 SRPL : UFA U17 - Fall 2017 SRPL : SSA, GSA, GSA, SSA U18 - Fall 2017 SRPL : UFA, NTH, CF, GSA Most of those teams moved to SCCL. Hence, SCCL = NL Piedmont If you look at Athena A from fall 2018/Spring 2019, there are 4-5 teams from the big 6 in each A bracket who will be moving to SCCL-P. I see your point but bear in mind there was and there will always be player movement so you cannot take last years team and equate it to a specific league. As someone here suggested the team level for SCCL - SCCL-P, CL - 1 and CL - 2 can be settled with intra club playoff and winner gets placed at the top. This doesn't apply to ECNL or DA. |
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Post by olderthandirt on Jun 12, 2019 15:00:21 GMT -5
Who cares is the players, coaches, parents and anyone involved with youth sports.. One of the first questions asked by coaches and on player registration is.. what level of play are you currently at or played prior.. Team rankings based on age does take in account of the opposing teams’ strength... an NPL team beating an ECNL seems to carry more weight in points earn for promotion through the different stages within the rankings system.. A ECNL team losing to a lower team like NPL or C1 is penalized. True, NPL vs ECNL is purely team based per age grouping and open to speculation, however, based on feedback from coaches, ECNL seems to be higher in competition OK, I couldn't stand it any longer. The point isn't "who cares" … the point is "why should anybody care"?
Back in prehistoric times (at least back in the previous century), there were four total boys leagues (Classic 1, Classic 2, Premier 1 & Premier 2) and four total girls leagues (Athena A-D) in Georgia Youth Soccer. That's it - no alphabet leagues of any kind. It was easy to determine which teams were the better teams - they played each other to figure it out.
Pretty much nobody paid any attention to any of the rankings that were out there - they were even more wildly inaccurate than they are now.
The best players who wanted to go on to play in college or had aspirations to play for the National teams were seen, evaluated, and, if they were deemed good enough, offered the opportunity to play beyond youth soccer.
Today, however, it seems that an awfully large percentage of parents get all hung up on having their children play for a "high level team", even though it's pretty difficult to determine who the "high level" teams are because the teams go out of their way not play other teams that might be better than they are.
None of the new leagues have anything to do with giving kids the opportunity to play soccer in competitive leagues. All of these new alphabet leagues are simply about making more money, plain and simple. And the in-fighting that goes on between the leagues helps those that profit from youth soccer to the detriment of those who pay for youth soccer.
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Post by localsoccernovice on Jun 12, 2019 15:20:47 GMT -5
Boys side for Concorde/SSA is below: DA ECNL NPL SCCL Other clubs, not sure. It depends on what league they have access to. CF boys do not play in NPL |
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Post by soccerworld1974 on Jun 12, 2019 15:33:58 GMT -5
No, they are going ECNL > NPL > SCCL
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Post by cantgetright on Jun 12, 2019 15:47:55 GMT -5
I said concorde/ssa Ssa has Npl no?
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 12, 2019 16:57:02 GMT -5
Thats a good question, did the SSA NPL pull the 3rd team from Concorde player pool? Or is the alliance really only for DA and ECNL levels?
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Post by soccerlegacy on Jun 12, 2019 23:10:16 GMT -5
I hate to beat a dead horse here, but IMHO, as I stated in another thread....
I understand this is a delicate subject, and some don't want to hurt others feelings by placing some alphabet leagues either higher or lower because they may offend others. Now.... each age group and gender will produce different results, but for my girls' age group (and one or two others), it is more like this:
1) DA/ECNL/NL = SCCL (upper tier) and NPL(upper tier)
2) SCCL (lower tier)= Piedmont-NL, NPL (lower tier) or Classic I/Athena A (upper tier)
3) SCCL-p = Classic I/Athena A and Classic II/Athena B
(upper tier)
Caveat: This ranking is for Georgia teams only.
I say this having waited the season out before making assumptions about the SCCL, and instead, based it more on the direct competition. For instance, I know one particular, upper tier NPL team that has now become their clubs' DA team, and as stated, were merely equal to the upper tier SCCL teams... and there are other match-ups that back up this fact as well. Look, I'm not attempting to disparage another league so that my kids' will look that much better (which some on here do), but rather trying to open some eyes and minds about a new league that was belittled before it began.
Across the board I'm pretty sure everyone would agree that DA and ECNL are the top league. But as some other posters have commented, it's hard to quantify any league as a whole. Rather, each has top tier teams and lower tier teams and somewhere in the midst of all that, each could play in the other.
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Post by soccerdaddy on Jun 13, 2019 1:03:59 GMT -5
I hate to beat a dead horse here, but IMHO, as I stated in another thread.... I understand this is a delicate subject, and some don't want to hurt others feelings by placing some alphabet leagues either higher or lower because they may offend others. Now.... each age group and gender will produce different results, but for my girls' age group (and one or two others), it is more like this: 1) DA/ECNL/NL = SCCL (upper tier) and NPL(upper tier) 2) SCCL (lower tier)= Piedmont-NL, NPL (lower tier) or Classic I/Athena A (upper tier) 3) SCCL-p = Classic I/Athena A and Classic II/Athena B (upper tier) Caveat: This ranking is for Georgia teams only.
I say this having waited the season out before making assumptions about the SCCL, and instead, based it more on the direct competition. For instance, I know one particular, upper tier NPL team that has now become their clubs' DA team, and as stated, were merely equal to the upper tier SCCL teams... and there are other match-ups that back up this fact as well. Look, I'm not attempting to disparage another league so that my kids' will look that much better (which some on here do), but rather trying to open some eyes and minds about a new league that was belittled before it began. Across the board I'm pretty sure everyone would agree that DA and ECNL are the top league. But as some other posters have commented, it's hard to quantify any league as a whole. Rather, each has top tier teams and lower tier teams and somewhere in the midst of all that, each could play in the other. This is a great breakdown of Soccer in Georgia. I agree DA for highest level of competition for Boys and ECNL/GDA for Girls although GA Soccer says NL is equal to ECNL 🤪. Everyone will agree that the other leagues whether It’s US Club or US Youth Soccer, have great teams & players, that can play on the highest levels. Who really cares about knowing what league and where it is on the totem pole? Apparently, all of us 😃 and why??? Maybe because we want to validate the thousands of dollars we spend each year and maybe it’s a great piece of conversation to brag on. Regardless, it’s still a matter of opinion! That’s all we can give on this great forum. Ask yourself, Is your son or daughter happy where they are now? If not, they have many options for clubs and leagues. 🤪 Remember, you are paying to play. Clubs will generally put your player on their highest team possible whether it’s DA/ECNL/NPL/NL/SCCL/Classic/Athena/Academy. Let’s stop trying to say I am better than you because I’m in this league. It’s nonsense, look at the real problem. Money, power and respect. How do we get Youth Soccer under control to benefit players for whatever level they want to be in? How do we get USSF, US Club and US Youth Soccer into 1 room and start on a pathway that benefits Youth Players up to the National Players. Let them agree and say what league is designed for each kind of player. Unfortunately, I think it’s not going to happen anytime soon 😕 The $$$ and power is blocking this collaboration of what could be the pathway to our Country having a stronghold in “Men’s Soccer.” Did you get that one, IMO we already dominate Women’s Soccer 😃👍💪⚽️👏 |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Jun 13, 2019 9:11:00 GMT -5
I hate to beat a dead horse here, but IMHO, as I stated in another thread.... I understand this is a delicate subject, and some don't want to hurt others feelings by placing some alphabet leagues either higher or lower because they may offend others. Now.... each age group and gender will produce different results, but for my girls' age group (and one or two others), it is more like this: 1) DA/ECNL/NL = SCCL (upper tier) and NPL(upper tier) 2) SCCL (lower tier)= Piedmont-NL, NPL (lower tier) or Classic I/Athena A (upper tier) 3) SCCL-p = Classic I/Athena A and Classic II/Athena B (upper tier) Caveat: This ranking is for Georgia teams only.
I say this having waited the season out before making assumptions about the SCCL, and instead, based it more on the direct competition. For instance, I know one particular, upper tier NPL team that has now become their clubs' DA team, and as stated, were merely equal to the upper tier SCCL teams... and there are other match-ups that back up this fact as well. Look, I'm not attempting to disparage another league so that my kids' will look that much better (which some on here do), but rather trying to open some eyes and minds about a new league that was belittled before it began. Across the board I'm pretty sure everyone would agree that DA and ECNL are the top league. But as some other posters have commented, it's hard to quantify any league as a whole. Rather, each has top tier teams and lower tier teams and somewhere in the midst of all that, each could play in the other. This is a great breakdown of Soccer in Georgia. I agree DA for highest level of competition for Boys and ECNL/GDA for Girls although GA Soccer says NL is equal to ECNL 🤪. Everyone will agree that the other leagues whether It’s US Club or US Youth Soccer, have great teams & players, that can play on the highest levels. Who really cares about knowing what league and where it is on the totem pole? Apparently, all of us 😃 and why??? Maybe because we want to validate the thousands of dollars we spend each year and maybe it’s a great piece of conversation to brag on. Regardless, it’s still a matter of opinion! That’s all we can give on this great forum. Ask yourself, Is your son or daughter happy where they are now? If not, they have many options for clubs and leagues. 🤪 Remember, you are paying to play. Clubs will generally put your player on their highest team possible whether it’s DA/ECNL/NPL/NL/SCCL/Classic/Athena/Academy. Let’s stop trying to say I am better than you because I’m in this league. It’s nonsense, look at the real problem. Money, power and respect. How do we get Youth Soccer under control to benefit players for whatever level they want to be in? How do we get USSF, US Club and US Youth Soccer into 1 room and start on a pathway that benefits Youth Players up to the National Players. Let them agree and say what league is designed for each kind of player. Unfortunately, I think it’s not going to happen anytime soon 😕 The $$$ and power is blocking this collaboration of what could be the pathway to our Country having a stronghold in “Men’s Soccer.” Did you get that one, IMO we already dominate Women’s Soccer 😃👍💪⚽️👏 Soccerdaddy I will agree with everything you stated here except one thing. IMO we really don't dominate women's soccer. Many other countries are quickly catching up to us. I hate to say it but our stranglehold in women's soccer will be coming to an end fairly soon if we are not careful. |
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Post by soccerdaddy on Jun 13, 2019 10:37:56 GMT -5
This is a great breakdown of Soccer in Georgia. I agree DA for highest level of competition for Boys and ECNL/GDA for Girls although GA Soccer says NL is equal to ECNL 🤪. Everyone will agree that the other leagues whether It’s US Club or US Youth Soccer, have great teams & players, that can play on the highest levels. Who really cares about knowing what league and where it is on the totem pole? Apparently, all of us 😃 and why??? Maybe because we want to validate the thousands of dollars we spend each year and maybe it’s a great piece of conversation to brag on. Regardless, it’s still a matter of opinion! That’s all we can give on this great forum. Ask yourself, Is your son or daughter happy where they are now? If not, they have many options for clubs and leagues. 🤪 Remember, you are paying to play. Clubs will generally put your player on their highest team possible whether it’s DA/ECNL/NPL/NL/SCCL/Classic/Athena/Academy. Let’s stop trying to say I am better than you because I’m in this league. It’s nonsense, look at the real problem. Money, power and respect. How do we get Youth Soccer under control to benefit players for whatever level they want to be in? How do we get USSF, US Club and US Youth Soccer into 1 room and start on a pathway that benefits Youth Players up to the National Players. Let them agree and say what league is designed for each kind of player. Unfortunately, I think it’s not going to happen anytime soon 😕 The $$$ and power is blocking this collaboration of what could be the pathway to our Country having a stronghold in “Men’s Soccer.” Did you get that one, IMO we already dominate Women’s Soccer 😃👍💪⚽️👏 Soccerdaddy I will agree with everything you stated here except one thing. IMO we really don't dominate women's soccer. Many other countries are quickly catching up to us. I hate to say it but our stranglehold in women's soccer will be coming to an end fairly soon if we are not careful. This could be the end of a long rein of domination. Let’s see 😃 |
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Post by infoguy on Jun 13, 2019 12:42:24 GMT -5
I said concorde/ssa Ssa has Npl no? For SSA, the NPL is their slot - as the ECNL teams are CF's. Players from either club can be on these teams, is my understanding.
In other words, U19 boys from both clubs for example tried out at Ashford Dunwoody for SCCL, NPL, ECNL and DA.
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Post by infoguy on Jul 2, 2019 19:18:15 GMT -5
U19B National Champion is an NPL team.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Jul 2, 2019 21:23:23 GMT -5
Some areas of country NPL is top league as ECNL is a relatively new league. Georgia has had ECNL 3 years.
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Post by soccerdaddy on Jul 7, 2019 12:36:53 GMT -5
Soccerdaddy I will agree with everything you stated here except one thing. IMO we really don't dominate women's soccer. Many other countries are quickly catching up to us. I hate to say it but our stranglehold in women's soccer will be coming to an end fairly soon if we are not careful. This could be the end of a long rein of domination. Let’s see 😃 US Women’s Soccer still reins, have to wait 4 more years to see otherwise 😃 |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jul 7, 2019 14:55:02 GMT -5
So the US WNT played the following:
#34 - Thailand
#09 - Sweden
#39 - Chile
#13 - Spain
#04 - France
#03 - England
#08 - Netherlands
When you play 4 of the top 10 teams in the world and win, I would call that quite dominating. This is especially true with all the scrutiny they were under and the pressure to repeat as champions with a bullseye on their collective backs. They all took a shot at the Queens and they all missed. For another 4 more years we rule the Women's World Soccer Landscape. The others can have the Euros and the Olympics, the World Cup remains in the US 🤪🤪
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