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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jun 5, 2019 8:20:48 GMT -5
I would love for US Club soccer to go to a promotion/relegation system for Ecnl and NPL. Bottom 1-2 of ECNL drops to NPL on an annual basis. I think would help strengthen both leagues. I feel like some of the Florida ECNL are. not holding up their end of the bargain and if relegation was on the line that would help spur competition.
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Post by mistergrinch on Jun 5, 2019 9:34:34 GMT -5
But then how would some clubs politically exclude other clubs from ECNL?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 5, 2019 9:49:00 GMT -5
Problem is it contradicts their club based vs team based model.
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Post by ultimatedad on Jun 5, 2019 12:34:38 GMT -5
That is the very basis of the Club Soccer problem. Good for lazy clubs, not so good for the teams and players. Afu 05....
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jun 5, 2019 12:40:36 GMT -5
I would love for US Club soccer to go to a promotion/relegation system for Ecnl and NPL. Bottom 1-2 of ECNL drops to NPL on an annual basis. I think would help strengthen both leagues. I feel like some of the Florida ECNL are. not holding up their end of the bargain and if relegation was on the line that would help spur competition. Sounds good in theory, but you would have to give current NPL clubs ECNL and current ECNL clubs NPL since some clubs like SSA/AFC/UFA don't have ECNL. Then you would have to worry about teams within the clubs that don't qualify, so how do they market themselves. We have ECNL for U12, U14 and U19 and NPL for all other teams? Plus, you think current tryouts are crazy, imagine what would happen with the migration of teams from club to club almost on an annual basis  But I like your thinking. |
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Post by aliensource on Jun 5, 2019 21:54:42 GMT -5
There was talk of a two tier system inside of ECNL when they made the "one time offer" for haveing two ECNL teams per age group. It was all talk so far.
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Post by aliensource on Jun 5, 2019 22:00:04 GMT -5
There was talk of a two tier system inside of ECNL when they made the "one time offer" for haveing two ECNL teams per age group. It was all talk so far.
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Post by infoguy on Jun 6, 2019 7:31:07 GMT -5
I would love for US Club soccer to go to a promotion/relegation system for Ecnl and NPL. Bottom 1-2 of ECNL drops to NPL on an annual basis. I think would help strengthen both leagues. I feel like some of the Florida ECNL are. not holding up their end of the bargain and if relegation was on the line that would help spur competition. We all know you would like this and your conclusion that ECNL is superior based on your experiences. But nationwide, arguments can be made that ECNL teams are not universally superior to NPL. I believe that ENPL was created to compare/contrast the teams. Seems to me that we had something very close to a promotion/relegation system in GA before US Club Soccer and DA exploded on the scene. RPL used to really mean something. |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jun 6, 2019 8:09:21 GMT -5
I would love for US Club soccer to go to a promotion/relegation system for Ecnl and NPL. Bottom 1-2 of ECNL drops to NPL on an annual basis. I think would help strengthen both leagues. I feel like some of the Florida ECNL are. not holding up their end of the bargain and if relegation was on the line that would help spur competition. We all know you would like this and your conclusion that ECNL is superior based on your experiences. But nationwide, arguments can be made that ECNL teams are not universally superior to NPL. I believe that ENPL was created to compare/contrast the teams. Seems to me that we had something very close to a promotion/relegation system in GA before US Club Soccer and DA exploded on the scene. RPL used to really mean something. Actually you are completely wrong. DA is the best specifically Tophat DA, and regards to ECNL despite it being good if you read the start of this thread I’m actually advocating for the top NPL teams to have a chance to replace the bottom ECNL teams. So maybe you need help with your reading comprehension. |
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Post by infoguy on Jun 6, 2019 9:23:40 GMT -5
We all know you would like this and your conclusion that ECNL is superior based on your experiences. But nationwide, arguments can be made that ECNL teams are not universally superior to NPL. I believe that ENPL was created to compare/contrast the teams. Seems to me that we had something very close to a promotion/relegation system in GA before US Club Soccer and DA exploded on the scene. RPL used to really mean something. Actually you are completely wrong. DA is the best specifically Tophat DA, and regards to ECNL despite it being good if you read the start of this thread I’m actually advocating for the top NPL teams to have a chance to replace the bottom ECNL teams. So maybe you need help with your reading comprehension. Pardon, I thought the discussion was about ECNL and NPL, and how that could be a relegation system. I brought up DA only to say that there was a truer relegation system in GA before it exploded, without commenting on whether it's superior to ECNL or not. You suffer from one club, one gender, and one age group tunnel vision. These leagues can't conform to your personal whims.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Jun 7, 2019 13:32:54 GMT -5
There already is the combined NPL/ECNL playoffs at the ENPL Championships. ECNL & NPL pro/rel would be pretty tricky, if not outright stupid as this point in time with how clubs structure their league participation. For example, NASA’s boys U14 ECNL group won 2 games last year and finished last. For U15, because NASA’s boys DA ends at U14, the team has zero of those players on it and is made up exclusively of former DA players from NASA, CF, UFA, and AU. This is a common scenario and doesn’t even touch on the “gap year” in which U16 boys ECNL is flooded with DA players.
I would support it and I think it would work only when/if the USSF drops partial participation DA clubs (only retains full program clubs), and adds U16 for boys. This way there would not be wholesale player migration across leagues at 2 important age groups and teams would stay together with enough core players for pro/rel to make sense. In other words, if DA offered and required clubs to participate in boys U14, U15, U16, U17, & U19, there would be much more continuity within both leagues wherein both ECNL and DA would be set up for 2 tiers.
DA: Tier 1; Tier 2
ENPL: ECNL; NPL
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Post by soccerlegacy on Jun 7, 2019 14:38:01 GMT -5
My idea would be to take the NPL and go back to what it was originally, as an adjunct league. Take all TWO teams that had NPL and make those their SCCL team. Then take SCCL-P and cascade it down with 1,2,3 etc. to replace Athena.
DA/ECNL
SCCL (adjunct w/NPL for top teams)
SCCL Premier 1
SCCL Premier 2
SCCL Premier 3
SCCL Premier 4
This would clear up the hierarchy somewhat. Although the clubs wouldn't make as much money... so it will never happen. JMHO
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 7, 2019 17:49:45 GMT -5
My idea would be to take the NPL and go back to what it was originally, as an adjunct league. Take all TWO teams that had NPL and make those their SCCL team. Then take SCCL-P and cascade it down with 1,2,3 etc. to replace Athena. DA/ECNL SCCL (adjunct w/NPL for top teams) SCCL Premier 1 SCCL Premier 2 SCCL Premier 3 SCCL Premier 4 This would clear up the hierarchy somewhat. Although the clubs wouldn't make as much money... so it will never happen. JMHO Why do you think the clubs would make less money if NPL went back to adjunct league? Our club charges the same for SCCL and NPL. There are THREE clubs that have NPL in Georgia but only 2 of them also have SCCL at this time. |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Jun 7, 2019 18:27:08 GMT -5
My idea would be to take the NPL and go back to what it was originally, as an adjunct league. Take all TWO teams that had NPL and make those their SCCL team. Then take SCCL-P and cascade it down with 1,2,3 etc. to replace Athena. DA/ECNL SCCL (adjunct w/NPL for top teams) SCCL Premier 1 SCCL Premier 2 SCCL Premier 3 SCCL Premier 4 This would clear up the hierarchy somewhat. Although the clubs wouldn't make as much money... so it will never happen. JMHO Why do you think the clubs would make less money if NPL went back to adjunct league? Our club charges the same for SCCL and NPL. There are THREE clubs that have NPL in Georgia but only 2 of them also have SCCL at this time. Oh... For clarity, my definition of the adjunct would be playing the SCCL season with a few NPL games tossed in for expanded competition of the top teams. Did they charge the cost of two full leagues before? I honestly didn't know that. True, I did know that AFC has it also, I was thinking about the two that had both and how much easier it would make things. AFC could apply for SCCL or SCCL-P... This was just my opinion though. I don't know if Ga. Soccer will be around a few years from now, so consolidating the leagues makes it easier to have the hirarchy and the SCCL offers the benefits of competitive soccer with less travel. NPL would be the adjunct for those teams that are on top and would like to expand their competitive level. Again, JMHO |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 7, 2019 18:41:32 GMT -5
Why do you think the clubs would make less money if NPL went back to adjunct league? Our club charges the same for SCCL and NPL. There are THREE clubs that have NPL in Georgia but only 2 of them also have SCCL at this time. Oh... For clarity, my definition of the adjunct would be playing the SCCL season with a few NPL games tossed in for expanded competition of the top teams. Did they charge the cost of two full leagues before? I honestly didn't know that. True, I did know that AFC has it also, I was thinking about the two that had both and how much easier it would make things. AFC could apply for SCCL or SCCL-P... This was just my opinion though. I don't know if Ga. Soccer will be around a few years from now, so consolidating the leagues makes it easier to have the hirarchy and the SCCL offers the benefits of competitive soccer with less travel. NPL would be the adjunct for those teams that are on top and would like to expand their competitive level. Again, JMHO We were charged for one full season, not two. I am just saying that last year we had NPL only at our branch and the other branch had SCCL. I get where you are coming from, but NPL is better known outside of Georgia (including for recruiting) than SCCL so it doesn't make sense now for them to go back to adjunct league status. For example a recent camp I signed up my kid for had the following options for team level...DA, ECNL, US Youth National League, US Club NPL and OTHER. Don't get me wrong. I think SCCL is great and really helps clarify things for clubs, coaches and families for team placement. I think the travel is optimal. This isn't to trash SCCL. NPL is the primary league for a lot of teams in the US though. |
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But I like your thinking.
