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Post by greenmonkey on Jun 9, 2019 12:14:53 GMT -5
Any discussion or opinions on the use of VAR so far?
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Jun 10, 2019 8:50:25 GMT -5
Any discussion or opinions on the use of VAR so far? - It's been used a LOT so far, and sounds like the commentators have been instructed to support it. Meh. My question is about handballs in the box. I saw a few PKs awarded yesterday... I understand if a hand is in an outstretched and un-natural position, but doesn't the contact have to change the trajectory of the ball (favorably) too? I saw that penalty kick awarded to England, and looked like the ball just grazed the hand of the Scottish defender. I thought it was a weak call. Do I need a refresher course? Im not even considering that it was awarded so early in the game (14th minute). |
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Post by soccerloafer on Jun 10, 2019 9:19:21 GMT -5
Way too many handballs being called, particularly in the box.
As a referee, I rarely award a PK for handling unless it clearly denies a goal or legitimate goal scoring opportunity. Before you blow the whistle, think, is this infraction worth a goal? Most of the time the answer is no.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 10, 2019 13:48:54 GMT -5
At first I thought the Scottish handball was a ticky-tacky call, until I saw the corner angle.
Watch the twitter video at 0:44, the ball redirects at nearly a 45-degree angle after contacting the outstretched arm:
Given the goal-kick rule change, perhaps the penalty area needs to be made smaller (3rd box?). This was a cross, not a shot, and not intentional to my eyes.
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Post by guest on Jun 10, 2019 14:13:45 GMT -5
How about the PK awarded against the South African defender? She was clearing the ball when the forward ran into her boot on her upswing. PK awarded plus a 2nd yellow; was just a crushing blow to a surprising RSA side.
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Post by soccerloafer on Jun 10, 2019 15:39:15 GMT -5
How about the PK awarded against the South African defender? She was clearing the ball when the forward ran into her boot on her upswing. PK awarded plus a 2nd yellow; was just a crushing blow to a surprising RSA side. I had a LOT of problems with that one. Soccer is a contact sport, and people are going to bang into each other. The play was not reckless, there was no intent, and the attacker shared equal blame for the contact. I think referees are too eager to make themselves the center of attention with big calls. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Jun 10, 2019 15:41:29 GMT -5
At first I thought the Scottish handball was a ticky-tacky call, until I saw the corner angle. Watch the twitter video at 0:44, the ball redirects at nearly a 45-degree angle after contacting the outstretched arm: Given the goal-kick rule change, perhaps the penalty area needs to be made smaller (3rd box?). This was a cross, not a shot, and not intentional to my eyes. Arm looks to be in a pretty natural position for her body shape and movement. No intent, the ball drilled into her arm from 3 yards away. FYI, women's natural body positions during movement are different than men's. Look it up. Was part of an advanced training course I did a few years ago. Women are much more likely to raise their arms for balance, men tend to keep them low. |
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Jun 11, 2019 22:00:10 GMT -5
Arm looks to be in a pretty natural position for her body shape and movement. No intent, the ball drilled into her arm from 3 yards away. FYI, women's natural body positions during movement are different than men's. Look it up. Was part of an advanced training course I did a few years ago. Women are much more likely to raise their arms for balance, men tend to keep them low. That is very interesting, and something I was not aware of... thanks for sharing. |
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Jun 11, 2019 22:02:39 GMT -5
How about the PK awarded against the South African defender? She was clearing the ball when the forward ran into her boot on her upswing. PK awarded plus a 2nd yellow; was just a crushing blow to a surprising RSA side. Isn't that the exact scenario that VAR is supposed to fix? I mean how can a room full of people NOT reverse that call? I want the VAR room miked up so I can hear the discussion... I bet it would be very interesting. |
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Post by harrycallum on Jun 12, 2019 9:06:26 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 12, 2019 9:08:37 GMT -5
just put 9 large on france to cover......
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Post by greenmonkey on Jun 17, 2019 18:47:07 GMT -5
FRA vs NGA
I hope the VAR crew is watching every other goal keeper on every other penalty kick and not just this Nigerian keeper ...
What a crazy 8 minutes
Red card
Pk attempt
Blocked
Yellow card
Pk re attempt
Goal
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 18, 2019 3:52:51 GMT -5
FRA vs NGA I hope the VAR crew is watching every other goal keeper on every other penalty kick and not just this Nigerian keeper ... What a crazy 8 minutes Red card Pk attempt Blocked Yellow card Pk re attempt Goal I agree and it really was just her heel lifting up barely off the line. However she did not block the attempt. Renard missed and hit the post without the keeper actually touching it. |
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Post by soccermonster on Jun 18, 2019 6:35:08 GMT -5
FRA vs NGA I hope the VAR crew is watching every other goal keeper on every other penalty kick and not just this Nigerian keeper ... What a crazy 8 minutes Red card Pk attempt Blocked Yellow card Pk re attempt Goal I agree and it really was just her heel lifting up barely off the line. However she did not block the attempt. Renard missed and hit the post without the keeper actually touching it. First of all...I never knew this rule and shame on me. I thought once the whistle was blown, the keeper was free to move. I just watched this play and its makes you wonder if they indeed watch all of the keepers. I hate it when any team wins or loses due to a pk. That's the not so beauty of soccer. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 18, 2019 11:30:30 GMT -5
Umm... home cooking for the host nation? Total BS TBH. This sets a precedent IMO. Every MISS or save on a PK should be reviewed in case the GK is off the line. The GK jumped on the 2nd kick also...should the keeper have been red-carded? GK was definitely off the line here. GK's ALWAYS jump forward prior to the kick.
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Post by greenmonkey on Jun 19, 2019 20:46:05 GMT -5
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Post by soccerparent02 on Jun 19, 2019 20:49:23 GMT -5
VAR is ruining the beautiful game as we know it. Taking that long to make a call on Paraguay tells you its NOT CLEAR AND OBVIOUS! Can you say they got the call because of Argentina playing...IMO.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Jun 20, 2019 9:33:39 GMT -5
I agree and it really was just her heel lifting up barely off the line. However she did not block the attempt. Renard missed and hit the post without the keeper actually touching it. First of all...I never knew this rule and shame on me. I thought once the whistle was blown, the keeper was free to move. I just watched this play and its makes you wonder if they indeed watch all of the keepers. I hate it when any team wins or loses due to a pk. That's the not so beauty of soccer. The way I understand the rule is that a GK cannot move off the line until the ball is contacted by the PK taker. I do not believe the rule has changed, but FIFA has said there will be an emphasis on enforcing the rule...similar to how they supposedly emphasized enforcing no pause by the PK taker on their approach. The process the officials are supposed to follow, from what I have heard, is as follows: PK is taken If goal is scored then no further action. If goal is not scored & GK came off line early, it is a Yellow & kick is re-taken. If re-take is scored then no further action. If re-take is missed & GK came off line early again, it is a second Yellow & subsequent Red & kick is re-taken again. Continue as necessary. Personally I think it is BS, but if they are going to emphasize this then they need to use VAR to fully enforce it and make sure it is evenly enforced across the board. |
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Post by greenmonkey on Jun 20, 2019 9:51:44 GMT -5
What is the intent of the rule?
To level the playing field between the keeper and the taker of the penalty kick?
Isn’t the statistic something like 70% of PK attempts are successfully converted to goals?
And finally I would like proof that FIFA is using VAR with such vigor on PKs on the men’s side.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 20, 2019 10:34:19 GMT -5
Yeah, VAR is what happens when a large bureaucratic organization gets a hold of an idea.
The GK rules need to be changed in light of VAR. There's not many PK's saved where the keeper DOESN'T jump im front of the line, its become SOP for GK training. Either give keepers a 1-yard line or allow them to start IN the goal.
Replay has been used in american football with much success. But thats because they arent trying to catch a missed penalty 3 plays later, and they're not trying to overturn a no-call. There's got to be a time limit where VAR can be called, otherwise you need to give coaches a challenge flag for things VAR obviously misses (like a called goal kick that should have been a corner and vise versa).
Just wait until this is applied in the next men's world cup...imagine if it happens to a host nation. In some places you would have rioting.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 20, 2019 10:39:20 GMT -5
What is the intent of the rule? To level the playing field between the keeper and the taker of the penalty kick? Isn’t the statistic something like 70% of PK attempts are successfully converted to goals? And finally I would like proof that FIFA is using VAR with such vigor on PKs on the men’s side.
I would guess less than 10% are saved by keeper, the other 20% being simple shanks.
And the answer is pretty simple and clear-cut. Carli Lloyd wasn't get a re-kick.
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Post by greenmonkey on Jun 20, 2019 20:59:48 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 21, 2019 8:29:03 GMT -5
I'd be cool with it if it is gross misconduct (WAY OFF the line prior to kick) OR if they jump off the line then SAVE the PK. If the kicker simply shanks it or hits a frame, no retake. That would have prevented the retake in 2 instances this world cup. Then change the rule to similar to offside, the keeper simply has to have part of their body within the plane of the goal mouth, even if its their butt. It would be easier for the AR to spot. Lastly, on France PK, several french players are in the box at the kick... pbs.twimg.com/media/D9dmEgCUIAIKLyk?format=jpg&name=medium |
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Jun 26, 2019 21:03:45 GMT -5
Agreed. In my opinion, there should never be a re-kick awarded if the kicker misses the goal completely and the keeper never touches it.
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Post by rifle on Jul 6, 2019 18:46:40 GMT -5
I’m cynical but I wonder if VAR is an invention cooked up by soccer and TV executives, to eventually be monetized by sponsors. I can see this coming, especially in USA where TV viewership remains weak.
IMHO VAR is fine for Fast reviews of cheap shots, dives. I think offside should be judged only in real time, by the 3-person crew.
I really like the idea above to give the GK a 1-yard (or one step) allowance when facing a PK.
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Post by rudy on Jul 7, 2019 11:08:42 GMT -5
Should have been used. Alex Morgan clearly pushed in back in the box. Doesn't look like they even checked.
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