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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 1, 2019 8:41:21 GMT -5
Does it matter how our senior teams play or is does only the final score matter?
Most of the fox studio guys before the USMNT game said, all we care about his win and advance, but obviously after the CURAÇAO game last night -- most were very disappointed with the US's play.
Same is true for the women, France, the Netherlands, Spain and even Italy, all probably play a prettier more technical version of the game than us, but does it matter?
Look, I'm not a big Jill Ellis fan, but shes on the verge of winning a 2nd world cup, hard to argue with that....
But imagine if the US women had the Netherlands coach, add our relentlessness, athleticism, depth with that style of play, good god, would be insane to watch, would literally own the ball against everyone. Those countries just don't have our depth (even though we aren't using it) nor are they as strong in the final 3rd.
Lieke Martens and Danielle van de Donk were nasty! Love both of those players!
Oh and the dutch coach Sarina Wiegman, went to UNC and played with Hamm and Lilly.
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Post by krazykickers on Jul 1, 2019 9:07:26 GMT -5
I think for the men's side it begins with DA. When my kid played for DA, I saw zero creation. Like a bunch of robots making passes with no extra thoughts going into what the boys were doing or what would happen next. I saw more creativity before DA reached into those younger years. It was more fun then as well but once DA started with the younger ages and those kids were corralled like cattle into one style of play it became boring and predictable. The men's team actually didn't look that bad the first two games of Gold Cup but last night they looked like any other DA team in America - except for Pulisic and we all know why, because he escaped the robot generator. My son went from the most creative and exciting (and winning team) to a DA team that was full of egos and zero creativity, sucked all the joy out of the game and unfortunately when your YNT and MNT pull only from the DA teams you just get an older version of the robot. The only person on that field with foot skills was Pulisic. Dear Lord where are the foot skills anymore?
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Post by mistergrinch on Jul 1, 2019 9:57:15 GMT -5
Read the part of this article where it discusses Tobin's early development... www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-womens-world-cup/story/3868111/dont-blink-uswnt-star-tobin-heath-would-nutmeg-you-in-a-hot-secondShe was lucky enough to find a program that really fostered creativity in play. Here, it's not just DA. My kid had a coach that practically crushed creativity. Make a mistake, hit the bench. At 9. That's just messed up. The kids I see that are really skilled players now are the ones who I remember their parents saying 'ignore your coach - go do your thing'. We told ours to play like the coach wanted, and it has hurt in the long run. |
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Post by 04gparent on Jul 1, 2019 11:11:53 GMT -5
I think for the men's side it begins with DA. When my kid played for DA, I saw zero creation. Like a bunch of robots making passes with no extra thoughts going into what the boys were doing or what would happen next. I saw more creativity before DA reached into those younger years. It was more fun then as well but once DA started with the younger ages and those kids were corralled like cattle into one style of play it became boring and predictable. The men's team actually didn't look that bad the first two games of Gold Cup but last night they looked like any other DA team in America - except for Pulisic and we all know why, because he escaped the robot generator. My son went from the most creative and exciting (and winning team) to a DA team that was full of egos and zero creativity, sucked all the joy out of the game and unfortunately when your YNT and MNT pull only from the DA teams you just get an older version of the robot. The only person on that field with foot skills was Pulisic. Dear Lord where are the foot skills anymore? You can blame DA for part of it, but it is bigger than that. I think the relentless pursuit of the Win from everyone (coaches, parents, club) goes against creativity. Especially if you are attempting to play possession. Go to any sideline and just listen to what the parents are telling their kids. Even if the coach wanted to teach creativity all the parents want is to get it to fowards and score... |
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Post by newposter on Jul 1, 2019 11:20:52 GMT -5
DA has been a failure on the mens side. One only has to look at the results. The women's side is not a result of DA as those players developed before DA. I'd be concerned that if US Soccer continues with DA only we may see their program decline. Its obvious other countries are much closer to the USWNT.
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Post by krazykickers on Jul 1, 2019 12:00:33 GMT -5
The other thing I will add to the discussion is that we don't put an emphasis on futsal at an early age. ALL of the DA coaches at my son's club referred to futsal as a joke and were mad they had to take the time to do the winter DA futsal matches. They thought is was a waste of time. How utterly stupid. Your best players in the world played tons of futsal when they were young. Futsal encourages foot skills and to try crazy moves in the run of play. I watched for players using the sole of their foot during last nights game, it was almost non-existent except for when a defender or Bradley would get the ball with no opponents close and lazily roll it forward with their sole. That's completely different than learning that skill and implementing it at a fast pace. The US doesn't even have that. We have no foot skills and cant' do anything in a fast paced run of play.
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Post by rifle on Jul 2, 2019 16:37:54 GMT -5
When you declare coaches, players “the best” and they didn’t earn it by winning games that matter... you may get good but you don’t get great. When every match matters, some HAVE TO rise above.
The shocking thing is the men’s team often looks unmotivated. As if they’ve been told “you’re the best player” and they’re happy with it.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 2, 2019 19:04:02 GMT -5
DA has been a failure on the mens side. One only has to look at the results. The women's side is not a result of DA as those players developed before DA. I'd be concerned that if US Soccer continues with DA only we may see their program decline. Its obvious other countries are much closer to the USWNT. I do not think the problem is DA. Think about it...many of the USMNT players are too old to have played more than 2-3 years in DA. Certainly the majority of the ones who failed to qualify were too old to have played DA. Bradley and Altidore, Gonzalez and Howard...many of the guys that screwed up are 30 or older now. They were 18 when DA was started. In fact, the best players that we have now are the young guys...Pulisic, McKennie, and Adams. Those guys actually DID play DA by the way...so many of you are so focused on blaming that system, but you forget that program hasn't been around long enough to blame for the failures of the recent and distant past. I feel like we are actually getting some great men's national team players that are young now, but developing into very solid, creative players and we have a lot of young players on GOOD European first teams. This team is going to be strong. We just have to hope none get injured. |
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