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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 14, 2019 14:37:11 GMT -5
Stephanie Frappart has become the first female referee to officiate a major men's UEFA match
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 14, 2019 15:41:47 GMT -5
Is it an entire female crew? The AR on the near side of the field is a female.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 14, 2019 16:12:31 GMT -5
Is it an entire female crew? The AR on the near side of the field is a female. Both ARs and the CR. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Aug 14, 2019 21:20:20 GMT -5
Is it an entire female crew? The AR on the near side of the field is a female. Both ARs and the CR. So no one can keep up with play. Great. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 14, 2019 21:25:04 GMT -5
So no one can keep up with play. Great. The CR is a Ligue 1 ref after being voted the best ref in Ligue 2. She is extremely well respected and called a good game. She has been stated as being fair, knowledgable and keeping the game about the game, not about her. In case you haven't noticed they have been adding more female refs in all of the big European leagues. I don't think they had any trouble keeping up |
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Post by soccernotfootball on Aug 15, 2019 8:02:06 GMT -5
Crew did a great job - game was well officiated (other than Chelsea's penalty call).
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Post by soccerloafer on Aug 15, 2019 9:30:11 GMT -5
Maybe one day men can break the glass ceiling and officiate the Women's World Cup. Or does 'diversity and inclusion' only go one way?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 15, 2019 10:05:05 GMT -5
So no one can keep up with play. Great. So you've sparked my curiosity, I'm guessing you ref games so your comment "So no one can keep up with play. Great." is based on some insider (ref only) information that we mere non-referring mortals are unaware of. Or did you actually watch the entire game to come to that conclusion? I anxiously await your expert answer... |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 15, 2019 10:28:40 GMT -5
I think he's inferring that female referees wouldn't be able to keep up with the speed of the game either mentally or physically or both.
Not a productive opinion if so. If she/they have earned the placement to referee these games based on consistently high level of work, that's awesome. A woman earning high-level position like this is the goal, rather than it being handed out to an unqualified person just to meet some diversity quota. It seems as though they have earned this spot (I don't know the background), and just dismissing them based on misogynistic opinions is very counter-productive...and the evidence of such misogyny is how annoying diversity quotas get created in the first place.
As a poster pointed out though, once women are officiating the men's game in significant numbers it should open the women's WC to be officiated by men (again?).
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 15, 2019 10:38:13 GMT -5
I think he's inferring that female referees wouldn't be able to keep up with the speed of the game either mentally or physically or both. Not a productive opinion if so. If she/they have earned the placement to referee these games based on consistently high level of work, that's awesome. A woman earning high-level position like this is the goal, rather than it being handed out to an unqualified person just to meet some diversity quota. It seems as though they have earned this spot (I don't know the background), and just dismissing them based on misogynistic opinions is very counter-productive...and the evidence of such misogyny is how annoying diversity quotas get created in the first place. As a poster pointed out though, once women are officiating the men's game in significant numbers it should open the women's WC to be officiated by men (again?). Sadly I could hear the dog whistle. I'm so glad this example of a CR would be able to keep up with the best of the best being that he's male. Oh yes that's true, I forgot that real quality referees are not judged solely on just their calls but also have to undergo physical testing periodically to qualify to referee games... 🤫🤫  |
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Post by soccerloafer on Aug 15, 2019 13:32:28 GMT -5
So no one can keep up with play. Great. So you've sparked my curiosity, I'm guessing you ref games so your comment "So no one can keep up with play. Great." is based on some insider (ref only) information that we mere non-referring mortals are unaware of. Or did you actually watch the entire game to come to that conclusion? I anxiously await your expert answer... Men are faster than women. Physiological fact. When the CR is deep in one end and a quick counter occurs that requires a 100 yard diagonal sprint, even the fastest female will be well behind play by the time it reaches the opposite penalty area. Yes, a fit male would lag a series of passes, but even a 10 yard difference in position makes a big change in perspective on fouls etc. I fully support all referees - men and women - achieving the highest level for which they are qualified on merits. Affirmative action - promoting for an purpose other than merit - is not good. In the military, I saw it get people killed and saw it negatively impact the combat readiness of units when unqualified persons were put in positions for which they were not prepared. Many of these 'women only firsts' are nothing more than publicity stunts. The first Delta flight to be piloted by Mom and Daughter (a horrible breakdown in nepotism and crew resource management), the pending first all female spacewalk, and the list goes on. The fact that this UEFA match featured an all female crew makes it a stunt. I can imagine the HR presentation the players and coaches had to sit through before the match... |
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Post by Upper90 on Aug 15, 2019 15:38:43 GMT -5
Honestly, surprised by some of the comments in this post, but that is what keyboard courage will give us. As much as the men tend to flop & roll around on the pitch hoping for the call, I have no doubt the women will be fit enough to keep up with the pace of the game *if* & when a breakaway play ever takes place. There wouldn’t need to be an HR meeting if men would respect the ladies class as much as they choose to disrespect their a$$es.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 16, 2019 12:05:03 GMT -5
So you've sparked my curiosity, I'm guessing you ref games so your comment "So no one can keep up with play. Great." is based on some insider (ref only) information that we mere non-referring mortals are unaware of. Or did you actually watch the entire game to come to that conclusion? I anxiously await your expert answer... Men are faster than women. Physiological fact. When the CR is deep in one end and a quick counter occurs that requires a 100 yard diagonal sprint, even the fastest female will be well behind play by the time it reaches the opposite penalty area. Yes, a fit male would lag a series of passes, but even a 10 yard difference in position makes a big change in perspective on fouls etc. I fully support all referees - men and women - achieving the highest level for which they are qualified on merits. Affirmative action - promoting for an purpose other than merit - is not good. In the military, I saw it get people killed and saw it negatively impact the combat readiness of units when unqualified persons were put in positions for which they were not prepared. Many of these 'women only firsts' are nothing more than publicity stunts. The first Delta flight to be piloted by Mom and Daughter (a horrible breakdown in nepotism and crew resource management), the pending first all female spacewalk, and the list goes on. The fact that this UEFA match featured an all female crew makes it a stunt. I can imagine the HR presentation the players and coaches had to sit through before the match... Let me start by commending and thanking you for your service. I too come from a deep military family. However, covering your clear and implicit bias against this referee, solely because she's a woman, by bringing up facts that are not germane to the issues at hand clearly shines a light more on you than on her unproven inabilities. You made that statement without knowing anything about what she is capable of. Could she be faster/slower than the next 10 male referees that would have called this game? If she's not qualified, I, like most would advocate for her not being given the opportunity. Clearly to the powers that be in the Mecca of Football(UEFA) they deemed her worthy of calling this game. Oh and for the record, making a statement like "I fully support all referees" is not only disingenuous but it's akin to disparaging African Americans but justifying it by saying "some of my best friends are African American" |
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Post by girlsoccer on Aug 16, 2019 13:33:32 GMT -5
So you've sparked my curiosity, I'm guessing you ref games so your comment "So no one can keep up with play. Great." is based on some insider (ref only) information that we mere non-referring mortals are unaware of. Or did you actually watch the entire game to come to that conclusion? I anxiously await your expert answer... Men are faster than women. Physiological fact. When the CR is deep in one end and a quick counter occurs that requires a 100 yard diagonal sprint, even the fastest female will be well behind play by the time it reaches the opposite penalty area. Yes, a fit male would lag a series of passes, but even a 10 yard difference in position makes a big change in perspective on fouls etc. I fully support all referees - men and women - achieving the highest level for which they are qualified on merits. Affirmative action - promoting for an purpose other than merit - is not good. In the military, I saw it get people killed and saw it negatively impact the combat readiness of units when unqualified persons were put in positions for which they were not prepared. Many of these 'women only firsts' are nothing more than publicity stunts. The first Delta flight to be piloted by Mom and Daughter (a horrible breakdown in nepotism and crew resource management), the pending first all female spacewalk, and the list goes on. The fact that this UEFA match featured an all female crew makes it a stunt. I can imagine the HR presentation the players and coaches had to sit through before the match... You are correct in that the average man is faster than the average woman. That has nothing to do with whether this female referee is faster or slower than the male referees currently working these games. If she can’t keep up, she won’t keep the job (and probably wouldn’t have been chosen for it in the first place). But assuming she can’t keep up based on the fact she is female is the very definition of sexism. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 16, 2019 16:28:23 GMT -5
I don't fully support all referees...probably less than half of those in GA soccer who have officiated our games based on our first year of select, honestly. And those include games our team won or tied.
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Post by guest on Aug 16, 2019 20:01:35 GMT -5
I think he's inferring that female referees wouldn't be able to keep up with the speed of the game either mentally or physically or both. Not a productive opinion if so. If she/they have earned the placement to referee these games based on consistently high level of work, that's awesome. A woman earning high-level position like this is the goal, rather than it being handed out to an unqualified person just to meet some diversity quota. It seems as though they have earned this spot (I don't know the background), and just dismissing them based on misogynistic opinions is very counter-productive...and the evidence of such misogyny is how annoying diversity quotas get created in the first place. As a poster pointed out though, once women are officiating the men's game in significant numbers it should open the women's WC to be officiated by men (again?). Sadly I could hear the dog whistle. I'm so glad this example of a CR would be able to keep up with the best of the best being that he's male. Oh yes that's true, I forgot that real quality referees are not judged solely on just their calls but also have to undergo physical testing periodically to qualify to referee games... 🤫🤫 FWIW: those refs in the pic are not DEKRA certified (no patch). |
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Post by soccergurl on Aug 16, 2019 21:21:46 GMT -5
FWIW: me thinks you is missing the point
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Post by momof2 on Aug 19, 2019 15:45:51 GMT -5
I hope to be around when we don’t even comment on this kind of stuff because it is commonplace.
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