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Post by crazzzy4soccer on Sept 7, 2019 15:19:20 GMT -5
The DPL 07 team got beat badly by the 08 team today so I’m not sure my & would go to DPL just yet.
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Post by footyfan on Sept 7, 2019 17:48:22 GMT -5
The DPL 07 team got beat badly by the 08 team today so I’m not sure my & would go to DPL just yet. Which? EDIT:Assume NTH 08 beat NTH 07 DPL? |
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Post by crazzzy4soccer on Sept 7, 2019 19:39:27 GMT -5
Footyfan..Correct. TH 08s beat 07 DPL by 4-5 goals today.
Makes you wonder if DPL is worth the moolah!
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Post by soccerfan07 on Sept 7, 2019 21:28:37 GMT -5
Footyfan..Correct. TH 08s beat 07 DPL by 4-5 goals today. Makes you wonder if DPL is worth the moolah! 08 NTH academy team played 07 NTH DPL team and won by 4-5 goals? This was a scrimmage correct? What other factors applied? Did the 07 team have their goalie or field player filling in? Regular positions or working on other things? Not defending DPL but there has to be some perspective to this. Was it the 08 pre-DA team? That means next year that team should be the top team, where as the 07 DPL team is 2nd team. I’d expect them to be similarly skilled but DA teams (and pre-DA) get a lot more technical coaching. |
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Post by footyfan on Sept 7, 2019 22:03:40 GMT -5
Footyfan..Correct. TH 08s beat 07 DPL by 4-5 goals today. Makes you wonder if DPL is worth the moolah! 08 NTH academy team played 07 NTH DPL team and won by 4-5 goals? This was a scrimmage correct? What other factors applied? Did the 07 team have their goalie or field player filling in? Regular positions or working on other things? Not defending DPL but there has to be some perspective to this. Was it the 08 pre-DA team? That means next year that team should be the top team, where as the 07 DPL team is 2nd team. I’d expect them to be similarly skilled but DA teams (and pre-DA) get a lot more technical coaching. There's actually a better question to ask. Why would a pre-DA team even play a DPL team? |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 8, 2019 5:07:47 GMT -5
I'd be more curious to see the SCCL and DPL teams from each age group play each other.
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Post by crazzzy4soccer on Sept 8, 2019 7:37:09 GMT -5
It was a friendly, with officiating and all. A scrimmage implies no real reffing took place. As far as DPL missing players, I was told no they had full team.
My main point of the post was this- is DPL worth the $ and hype. It was mentioned if this was the pre-DA 08 team (yes it’s their top team) but technical training should be equal as DPL is being called the Development player league- just below DA. It’s also worth mentioning the DPL team did not score on offense, but their 1 goal was simply a PK.
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Post by soccerplayer1 on Sept 8, 2019 8:36:01 GMT -5
It was a friendly, with officiating and all. A scrimmage implies no real reffing took place. As far as DPL missing players, I was told no they had full team. My main point of the post was this- is DPL worth the $ and hype. It was mentioned if this was the pre-DA 08 team (yes it’s their top team) but technical training should be equal as DPL is being called the Development player league- just below DA. It’s also worth mentioning the DPL team did not score on offense, but their 1 goal was simply a PK. The 08’s apparently are a strong group of mostly new players to Tophat. So many players they had to split into a Gold 1 and Gold 2. 07 DPL is a result of transition so mostly girls that were second and third team Tophat players last year. No surprise they got crushed but unfortunate that they subjected them to the embarrassment as a filler for no games. Maybe the 08’s should have played the 07 Pre-DA instead of the DPL for a more evenly matched game. However the 07 Pre-DA went up against the 06 DPL. Anyone see that game? |
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Post by soccerfan07 on Sept 8, 2019 8:58:19 GMT -5
It was a friendly, with officiating and all. A scrimmage implies no real reffing took place. As far as DPL missing players, I was told no they had full team. My main point of the post was this- is DPL worth the $ and hype. It was mentioned if this was the pre-DA 08 team (yes it’s their top team) but technical training should be equal as DPL is being called the Development player league- just below DA. It’s also worth mentioning the DPL team did not score on offense, but their 1 goal was simply a PK. I think you answered most of your own questions. DPL doesn’t train with DA. I’ve watched both. They’re not the same. Most DA teams have had much better training over a longer period of time, whereas many of the DPL teams are 2nd/3rd team (ECNL or SCCL) players. It’s frustrating, and I think we all agree on that. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 8, 2019 9:40:13 GMT -5
Have heard a rumor that UFA Forsyth Premier has switched from NPL to DPL. Any truth to it?
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Sept 8, 2019 9:47:09 GMT -5
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Post by footyfan on Sept 8, 2019 10:01:59 GMT -5
Looks like the Virginia team dropped out? |
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Post by soccerfan07 on Sept 8, 2019 10:05:13 GMT -5
Looks like the Virginia team dropped out? There were 2 VA teams and both dropped out shortly after tryouts, once offers were accepted. So yes, only 4 teams in the “league” this year. I think FC Virginia was allowed to delay since Baltimore dropped out completely. |
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Post by soccerfan07 on Sept 8, 2019 10:06:37 GMT -5
Have heard a rumor that UFA Forsyth Premier has switched from NPL to DPL. Any truth to it? I heard UFA will have a DPL team next year. They’re not on any schedules I have seen for this year. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Sept 8, 2019 10:16:57 GMT -5
Footyfan..Correct. TH 08s beat 07 DPL by 4-5 goals today. Makes you wonder if DPL is worth the moolah! The 2008 pre-pre-DA team beat the 2007 DPL team 6-1 yesterday. I honestly don't think the issue is about worth, but more intrinsically about the level of support the non DA teams receive. Do they train the same way the DA team trains? What kind of support and coaching are they getting? Shouldn't they be training with the actual DA team? Other than the DPL schedule, what other games are they taking part in? I know this is new but I think members of the southeastern DPL need to add more teams to the fledgeling league or at the very least, supplement the league with alternate games to fill in the void. |
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Post by footyfan on Sept 8, 2019 10:38:10 GMT -5
Footyfan..Correct. TH 08s beat 07 DPL by 4-5 goals today. Makes you wonder if DPL is worth the moolah! The 2008 pre-pre-DA team beat the 2007 DPL team 6-1 yesterday. I honestly don't think the issue is about worth, but more intrinsically about the level of support the non DA teams receive. Do they train the same way the DA team trains? What kind of support and coaching are they getting? Shouldn't they be training with the actual DA team? Other than the DPL schedule, what other games are they taking part in? I know this is new but I think members of the southeastern DPL need to add more teams to the fledgeling league or at the very least, supplement the league with alternate games to fill in the void. I think the clubs got what they wanted. A delayed sentence: They got the players fees in their bank accounts and wont return them no matter how silly the "league" is this year. Now these poor girls and their families are locked into this lunacy for a year. No doubt the marketing will ramp up in the spring and there will be "founding memebers" nonsense to help keep these girls and their parents from making more rational choices next year. The DPL and SCCL are run by the same commissioner. Maybe they will merge. They are the same quality. Just marketed differently. There is no USSDA tie-in, as you have noted. Only "pre-DA" which is not a USSDA distinction. If anything, the league is training fodder for the younger pre-DA teams, as witnessed with this game. |
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Post by soccerfan07 on Sept 8, 2019 10:57:44 GMT -5
There might be a couple SCCL teams of equal level to a DPL but far more that aren’t close. The factors to comprise a team are drastic especially when every year large groups shift from club to club to stay at current level because they’re not going to get an offer or want to try and make a higher team.
Girls:
TH - DA, DPL, SCCL, SCCL-P
UFA - DA, NPL, SCCL, SCCL-P
CF - ECNL1, ECNL2, SCCL, SCCL-P
SSA - NPL, SCCL, SCCL-P
AFU - ECNL, SCCL-P
DA teams are provided significantly more resources to perform at a higher level. DPL has issues in SE until more teams join and clubs have to sell and support it in the same manner they do DA or ECNL.
DPL was/is marketed as a platform to reach DA. From the DPL page “Designed to supplement the full DA program with select DA standards, the DPL will provide a great platform, professional environment and allow clubs to develop a larger DA quality player pool.”
SCCL is ran very well but competition levels are drastically different from team to team and being told to stop scoring in a game so the league looks competitive is not doing players any justice.
Most parents want to do what’s best for their kids. There are some that are interested status only. For every one family that gets tired of it and drops from team X, 10+ are chomping at the bit to take that spot. Nothing will change until money isn’t a factor.
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Post by hattrick07 on Sept 8, 2019 11:07:01 GMT -5
The problem with 'pay to play' leagues is that you ARE NOT necessarily getting the best players - just the kids whose families can pay. It's all about money. The Pre-DA and DPL is a disaster from what I've heard, and I'm amazed how many people bought into it, despite not getting any clarity or answers regarding what teams they would play.
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Post by footyfan on Sept 8, 2019 11:48:30 GMT -5
There might be a couple SCCL teams of equal level to a DPL but far more that aren’t close. The factors to comprise a team are drastic especially when every year large groups shift from club to club to stay at current level because they’re not going to get an offer or want to try and make a higher team. Girls: TH - DA, DPL, SCCL, SCCL-P UFA - DA, NPL, SCCL, SCCL-P CF - ECNL1, ECNL2, SCCL, SCCL-P SSA - NPL, SCCL, SCCL-P AFU - ECNL, SCCL-P DA teams are provided significantly more resources to perform at a higher level. DPL has issues in SE until more teams join and clubs have to sell and support it in the same manner they do DA or ECNL. DPL was/is marketed as a platform to reach DA. From the DPL page “Designed to supplement the full DA program with select DA standards, the DPL will provide a great platform, professional environment and allow clubs to develop a larger DA quality player pool.” SCCL is ran very well but competition levels are drastically different from team to team and being told to stop scoring in a game so the league looks competitive is not doing players any justice. Most parents want to do what’s best for their kids. There are some that are interested status only. For every one family that gets tired of it and drops from team X, 10+ are chomping at the bit to take that spot. Nothing will change until money isn’t a factor. I agree with most of what you've said. I just dont accept the league marketing pitch. Now that DPL has switched from sanctioning by US Youth Soccer Association (USYSA) to US Specialty Sports Association (USSSA) and the commissioner is the same guy who runs SCCL, they will likely pull up the higher level teams in SCCL into this DPL league. At that point, they'll have to admit it's not DA related whatsoever with even more non-DA clubs involved. Parents/players sold on SCCL/SCCL-P will take a step down in leagues if they remain. But then some other shiny marketing effort will kick in (National Development Elite Player Championship Premier League-1 anyone?) to keep us playing the shell game. |
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Post by soccerfan07 on Sept 8, 2019 11:54:44 GMT -5
There might be a couple SCCL teams of equal level to a DPL but far more that aren’t close. The factors to comprise a team are drastic especially when every year large groups shift from club to club to stay at current level because they’re not going to get an offer or want to try and make a higher team. Girls: TH - DA, DPL, SCCL, SCCL-P UFA - DA, NPL, SCCL, SCCL-P CF - ECNL1, ECNL2, SCCL, SCCL-P SSA - NPL, SCCL, SCCL-P AFU - ECNL, SCCL-P DA teams are provided significantly more resources to perform at a higher level. DPL has issues in SE until more teams join and clubs have to sell and support it in the same manner they do DA or ECNL. DPL was/is marketed as a platform to reach DA. From the DPL page “Designed to supplement the full DA program with select DA standards, the DPL will provide a great platform, professional environment and allow clubs to develop a larger DA quality player pool.” SCCL is ran very well but competition levels are drastically different from team to team and being told to stop scoring in a game so the league looks competitive is not doing players any justice. Most parents want to do what’s best for their kids. There are some that are interested status only. For every one family that gets tired of it and drops from team X, 10+ are chomping at the bit to take that spot. Nothing will change until money isn’t a factor. I agree with most of what you've said. I just dont accept the league marketing pitch. Now that DPL has switched from sanctioning by US Youth Soccer Association (USYSA) to US Specialty Sports Association (USSSA) and the commissioner is the same guy who runs SCCL, they will likely pull up the higher level teams in SCCL into this DPL league. At that point, they'll have to admit it's not DA related whatsoever with even more non-DA clubs involved. Parents/players sold on SCCL/SCCL-P will take a step down in leagues if they remain. But then some other shiny marketing effort will kick in (National Development Elite Player Championship Premier League-1 anyone?) to keep us playing the shell game. I don’t think there’s anyone accepting what DPL was said to be, but those that are in it this year, are in it for the year. It will be interesting to see how many stay next year and how the sales pitch goes then. Seems like there’s a handful of people leading GA clubs that make decisions to make themselves money. Very little else. All teams essentially pay for the top club teams progression and performance, the rest doesn’t matter. |
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Post by soccerplayer1 on Sept 8, 2019 12:00:24 GMT -5
There might be a couple SCCL teams of equal level to a DPL but far more that aren’t close. The factors to comprise a team are drastic especially when every year large groups shift from club to club to stay at current level because they’re not going to get an offer or want to try and make a higher team. Girls: TH - DA, DPL, SCCL, SCCL-P UFA - DA, NPL, SCCL, SCCL-P CF - ECNL1, ECNL2, SCCL, SCCL-P SSA - NPL, SCCL, SCCL-P AFU - ECNL, SCCL-P DA teams are provided significantly more resources to perform at a higher level. DPL has issues in SE until more teams join and clubs have to sell and support it in the same manner they do DA or ECNL. DPL was/is marketed as a platform to reach DA. From the DPL page “Designed to supplement the full DA program with select DA standards, the DPL will provide a great platform, professional environment and allow clubs to develop a larger DA quality player pool.” SCCL is ran very well but competition levels are drastically different from team to team and being told to stop scoring in a game so the league looks competitive is not doing players any justice. Most parents want to do what’s best for their kids. There are some that are interested status only. For every one family that gets tired of it and drops from team X, 10+ are chomping at the bit to take that spot. Nothing will change until money isn’t a factor. I agree with most of what you've said. I just dont accept the league marketing pitch. Now that DPL has switched from sanctioning by US Youth Soccer Association (USYSA) to US Specialty Sports Association (USSSA) and the commissioner is the same guy who runs SCCL, they will likely pull up the higher level teams in SCCL into this DPL league. At that point, they'll have to admit it's not DA related whatsoever with even more non-DA clubs involved. Parents/players sold on SCCL/SCCL-P will take a step down in leagues if they remain. But then some other shiny marketing effort will kick in (National Development Elite Player Championship Premier League-1 anyone?) to keep us playing the shell game. I don’t think anyone is buying the DPL marketing pitch. I think some players/parents that really wanted to stay at Tophat for whatever reason have to make it work and stick it out. Even if they now know they’ve made a bad choice, what is the alternative at this point? I highly doubt that anyone believes their 3rd team player is going to play DA just because it’s been pitched as the pathway. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 8, 2019 13:49:58 GMT -5
I agree with most of what you've said. I just dont accept the league marketing pitch. Now that DPL has switched from sanctioning by US Youth Soccer Association (USYSA) to US Specialty Sports Association (USSSA) and the commissioner is the same guy who runs SCCL, they will likely pull up the higher level teams in SCCL into this DPL league. At that point, they'll have to admit it's not DA related whatsoever with even more non-DA clubs involved. Parents/players sold on SCCL/SCCL-P will take a step down in leagues if they remain. But then some other shiny marketing effort will kick in (National Development Elite Player Championship Premier League-1 anyone?) to keep us playing the shell game. I don’t think anyone is buying the DPL marketing pitch. I think some players/parents that really wanted to stay at Tophat for whatever reason have to make it work and stick it out. Even if they now know they’ve made a bad choice, what is the alternative at this point? I highly doubt that anyone believes their 3rd team player is going to play DA just because it’s been pitched as the pathway. DPL is the second team at Tophat, not the third. Otherwise I agree with your statement about people staying there because they wanted to do so. I do know some kids that left other alphabet league teams to play DPL at Tophat. Not really sure why. Personally I think that DPL is very strong in the west. The Texas teams are good as well, but interestingly a few Texas clubs put their 2nd and 3rd teams in it (or possibly teams from different branch locations???). I agree that 4 teams or even 5 (if FC Virginia had stayed in) isn't a league and the main reason I did not like that new league that got added. There are also teams that don't have DA in this East league in Palm Beach and USA MT Pleasant. Weston and Mt Pleasant played NPL last year. How is this better for them except possibly the showcases??? Fewer games, more travel, same level competition except the showcases. |
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Post by soccerfan07 on Sept 8, 2019 13:53:53 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone is buying the DPL marketing pitch. I think some players/parents that really wanted to stay at Tophat for whatever reason have to make it work and stick it out. Even if they now know they’ve made a bad choice, what is the alternative at this point? I highly doubt that anyone believes their 3rd team player is going to play DA just because it’s been pitched as the pathway. DPL is the second team at Tophat, not the third. Otherwise I agree with your statement about people staying there because they wanted to do so. I do know some kids that left other alphabet league teams to play DPL at Tophat. Not really sure why. Personally I think that DPL is very strong in the west. The Texas teams are good as well, but interestingly a few Texas clubs put their 2nd and 3rd teams in it (or possibly teams from different branch locations???). I agree that 4 teams or even 5 (if FC Virginia had stayed in) isn't a league and the main reason I did not like that new league that got added. There are also teams that don't have DA in this East league in Palm Beach and USA MT Pleasant. Weston and Mt Pleasant played NPL last year. How is this better for them except possibly the showcases??? Fewer games, more travel, same level competition except the showcases. 100% on all of what you said and more! |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 8, 2019 17:09:11 GMT -5
Tophat's problem...how to we join an exclusive "elite" travel league while still having reasonable travel expenses and high levels of competition?
Short answer, they can't. We are already MAXED out! DA, ECNL, NL...3 IS ENOUGH. Too much really.
I would guess that for the most part that at NTH...DA >>>> DPL >= SCCL. And the reason for that is likely that there are a lot of parents who call BS on the travel nonsense but still want their kids to have the highest possible level of coaching so they choose NTH based on reputation AND picked SCCL over DPL. I would have put my kid in SCCL over DPL in a heartbeat.
RANT MODE ON...
The truth is that only a few clubs can have 2 top-level travel teams. But not in the Southeast. Not NTH, not CF. What are there now, 3 clubs left with both ECNL and DA?
And let's be honest, the E in ECNL doesnt mean "elite", it means "exclusive" or better yet "exclusionary". And SCCL doesn't deserve the "champions" moniker (and the D in DA should mean "divisive"). IMO These leagues should be required (by USSF) to have open club play-in tournaments every year (as well as club REMOVAL/RELEGATION due to poor club performance). Someone (USSF) needs to reign in this "elite" travel soccer nonsense. Firstly, it should start at U15 (I hope DA moves this way by dropping U13 and U14), we have elementary school kids traveling around the country for soccer FFS. If you want to foster an entitlement mentality (that Damarcus Beasley was complaining about), that's how you do it.
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Post by footyfan on Sept 8, 2019 20:04:58 GMT -5
Tophat's problem...how to we join an exclusive "elite" travel league while still having reasonable travel expenses and high levels of competition? Short answer, they can't. We are already MAXED out! DA, ECNL, NL...3 IS ENOUGH. Too much really. I would guess that for the most part that at NTH...DA >>>> DPL >= SCCL. And the reason for that is likely that there are a lot of parents who call BS on the travel nonsense but still want their kids to have the highest possible level of coaching so they choose NTH based on reputation AND picked SCCL over DPL. I would have put my kid in SCCL over DPL in a heartbeat. RANT MODE ON... The truth is that only a few clubs can have 2 top-level travel teams. But not in the Southeast. Not NTH, not CF. What are there now, 3 clubs left with both ECNL and DA? And let's be honest, the E in ECNL doesnt mean "elite", it means "exclusive" or better yet "exclusionary". And SCCL doesn't deserve the "champions" moniker (and the D in DA should mean "divisive"). IMO These leagues should be required (by USSF) to have open club play-in tournaments every year (as well as club REMOVAL/RELEGATION due to poor club performance). Someone (USSF) needs to reign in this "elite" travel soccer nonsense. Firstly, it should start at U15 (I hope DA moves this way by dropping U13 and U14), we have elementary school kids traveling around the country for soccer FFS. If you want to foster an entitlement mentality (that Damarcus Beasley was complaining about), that's how you do it. You forgot to drop the mic. Well said. |
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