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Post by soccerloafer on Sept 2, 2019 15:19:48 GMT -5
I'll go first.
Event was well organized - branded canopies at all fields for teams, hydration, referees, trainers - labeled headquarters area.
4 referees at most matches.
Good competition from Texas and SC - Florida teams bailed for hurricane, SC teams went home a day early. Required some schedule shuffling, but was done well.
Actually saw a few college coaches scouting.
Seemed like a good event overall.
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Post by footyfan on Sept 2, 2019 16:21:10 GMT -5
Heard it is now sanctioned through USSSA and not USYSA. Was it branded as US CLub soccer yet?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 2, 2019 17:44:58 GMT -5
It was a shame about the hurricane and the reshuffling, but what can you do? Games seemed pretty close from what I could see. Good competition. Still not sure why we need another league and I feel bad that the Texas teams came here and some of them ended up playing the other Texas teams, but a natural disaster is no one's fault so it was just bad luck.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Sept 2, 2019 18:41:30 GMT -5
My apologies, if it has already been hashed out. But could someone please explain to me the DPL? Who sanctions it, who and what teams play in this "league" playoffs, post season, etc. Is there some big season ending tie-in with say DA/ECNL/NPL/NL/SCCL or state cup that i'm missing? Thanks...
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Post by soccerloafer on Sept 2, 2019 19:46:39 GMT -5
My apologies, if it has already been hashed out. But could someone please explain to me the DPL? Who sanctions it, who and what teams play in this "league" playoffs, post season, etc. Is there some big season ending tie-in with say DA/ECNL/NPL/NL/SCCL or state cup that i'm missing? Thanks... Short answer: DPL is primarily a league for 2nd teams of clubs with DA who had to drop ECNL. Those former ECNL teams are now in DPL. Also has some top teams from smaller clubs. Began on West Coast, added Texas, now in SE, mid-Atlantic coming online soon. Don't know who sanctions and honestly don't care... Billed as equivalent to ECNL, above NPL/NL/SCCL. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 2, 2019 23:49:27 GMT -5
My apologies, if it has already been hashed out. But could someone please explain to me the DPL? Who sanctions it, who and what teams play in this "league" playoffs, post season, etc. Is there some big season ending tie-in with say DA/ECNL/NPL/NL/SCCL or state cup that i'm missing? Thanks... Short answer: DPL is primarily a league for 2nd teams of clubs with DA who had to drop ECNL. Those former ECNL teams are now in DPL. Also has some top teams from smaller clubs. Began on West Coast, added Texas, now in SE, mid-Atlantic coming online soon. Don't know who sanctions and honestly don't care... Billed as equivalent to ECNL, above NPL/NL/SCCL. Southeast: Palm beach gardens and Mt. Pleasant do not have DA, so not sure what DA teams these players are supposed to be 2nd teams for. Short story: NTH needed to do something to keep their ECNL players from leaving. Some stayed, some didn't. NATIONAL LEADERSHIP GROUP Barry Ritson - LA Surf Kevin Boyd - Legends Troy Garner - Tophat Wes Schevers - Lonestar Matt Grubb - FC Dallas The Developmental Player League (DPL) was created through a collaboration between the Southwest Division DA clubs. The focus was to expand the player pool for the DA and align with some of the core US Soccer Initiatives. The league is comprised of DA clubs and will be sanctioned under USSSA. Designed to supplement the full DA program with select DA standards, the DPL will provide a great platform, professional environment and allow clubs to develop a larger DA quality player pool. With a clear pathway to the full DA through their own team environment, the focus will be on player development initiatives with the aim of helping players continue their growth. |
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Post by footyfan on Sept 3, 2019 7:08:50 GMT -5
Short answer: DPL is primarily a league for 2nd teams of clubs with DA who had to drop ECNL. Those former ECNL teams are now in DPL. Also has some top teams from smaller clubs. Began on West Coast, added Texas, now in SE, mid-Atlantic coming online soon. Don't know who sanctions and honestly don't care... Billed as equivalent to ECNL, above NPL/NL/SCCL. Southeast: Palm beach gardens and Mt. Pleasant do not have DA, so not sure what DA teams these players are supposed to be 2nd teams for. Short story: NTH needed to do something to keep their ECNL players from leaving. Some stayed, some didn't. NATIONAL LEADERSHIP GROUP Barry Ritson - LA Surf Kevin Boyd - Legends Troy Garner - Tophat Wes Schevers - Lonestar Matt Grubb - FC Dallas The Developmental Player League (DPL) was created through a collaboration between the Southwest Division DA clubs. The focus was to expand the player pool for the DA and align with some of the core US Soccer Initiatives. The league is comprised of DA clubs and will be sanctioned under USSSA. Designed to supplement the full DA program with select DA standards, the DPL will provide a great platform, professional environment and allow clubs to develop a larger DA quality player pool. With a clear pathway to the full DA through their own team environment, the focus will be on player development initiatives with the aim of helping players continue their growth. Along with moving to USSSA from USYS for league sanctioning, I believe the commissioner of the DPL is the same person that runs SCCL and South Atlantic NPL and some other NPL leagues. Like the Oz of ABC leagues. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 3, 2019 7:26:26 GMT -5
Just a thought...Wouldnt the best way to develop these players be to have them train/play with/against the DA players? I don't think many would argue that a 2nd team coach is as good as the first team coach (or they'd be the first team coach there or somewhere else). Besides, if you want to give these players first team looks you need to see them with the first team.
It's good to hear it was will organized at least.
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Post by footyfan on Sept 3, 2019 8:05:44 GMT -5
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Post by soccerloafer on Sept 3, 2019 8:44:11 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 3, 2019 9:45:21 GMT -5
Interesting info on USSSA. But what is USSSA? First ive heard of it (not that I'm that knowledgeable).
USSF DA
USCS ECNL, ENPL, NPL, ECRL, SCCL (probably more)
USYS NL, NL conferences, state affiliates
USSSA DPL
First thought that came to mind:
Can I get another? Can I get another? 4 sanctioning bodies, 4 sanctioning bodies going once, going twice, 2019-20 sold.
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Post by footyfan on Sept 3, 2019 12:16:59 GMT -5
Interesting info on USSSA. But what is USSSA? First ive heard of it (not that I'm that knowledgeable). USSF DA USCS ECNL, ENPL, NPL, ECRL, SCCL (probably more) USYS NL, NL conferences, state affiliates USSSA DPL First thought that came to mind: Can I get another? Can I get another? 4 sanctioning bodies, 4 sanctioning bodies going once, going twice, 2019-20 sold. What is strangest to me is that the commissioner of DPL also runs a bunch of USCS-sanctioned leagues, so his leagues are across youth sanctioning bodies. It looks like (LinkedIn) he also runs a USCS u8-u12 league in the Carolinas called CPL(Carolinas Premiere League). Wheee! More ABCs! I feel like Fred Thompson on the deck of the carrier in Hunt for Red October: "This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it" |
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Post by soccergurl on Sept 3, 2019 13:47:39 GMT -5
Me wants to know, we have Pre DA, is there going to be Pre-DPL?
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Post by footyfan on Sept 3, 2019 14:28:10 GMT -5
Me wants to know, we have Pre DA, is there going to be Pre-DPL? And Pre NPL and Pre SCCL and ... As long as folks like us dole out our $$ and eat up their ABC soup |
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Post by mistergrinch on Sept 3, 2019 15:08:11 GMT -5
Just a thought...Wouldnt the best way to develop these players be to have them train/play with/against the DA players? I don't think many would argue that a 2nd team coach is as good as the first team coach (or they'd be the first team coach there or somewhere else). Besides, if you want to give these players first team looks you need to see them with the first team. It's good to hear it was will organized at least.
You are entirely correct.
But.. who will they play GAMES against? Can't play in DA league. Don't have ECNL (which is why it exists).. So if you forgo alphabet leagues, you're going to put them in.. Athena A? So if you take the best teams around and put them together - you basically get the idea of SCCL, but at a theoretically higher level.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 3, 2019 15:38:29 GMT -5
That's what I'm saying though. Practice with and against the DA team and then play games in DPL. Theoretically if it is really a feeder into the DA team, the DA should be pulling a couple of these girls up a game.
For instance, there are 30 players on the Atlanta United roster who all practice with the first team day-in-day-out. Some players are pulled up from the 2's (Pogba, Bello, Robinson, Carleton) to fill in the 1's. If you REALLY want to attract the best players you can have a big first team pool (starters and backups) training at DA-level and DPL players play in the DPL and a couple may see some DA minutes.
The advantage is that you're getting what the USSF has assured us is the best training but you still get to play in HS.
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 3, 2019 16:52:27 GMT -5
That's what I'm saying though. Practice with and against the DA team and then play games in DPL. Theoretically if it is really a feeder into the DA team, the DA should be pulling a couple of these girls up a game. For instance, there are 30 players on the Atlanta United roster who all practice with the first team day-in-day-out. Some players are pulled up from the 2's (Pogba, Bello, Robinson, Carleton) to fill in the 1's. If you REALLY want to attract the best players you can have a big first team pool (starters and backups) training at DA-level and DPL players play in the DPL and a couple may see some DA minutes. The advantage is that you're getting what the USSF has assured us is the best training but you still get to play in HS. How many players were pulled from ECNL? That will give you an idea if any will be pulled from DPL |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 3, 2019 16:53:35 GMT -5
That's what I'm saying though. Practice with and against the DA team and then play games in DPL. Theoretically if it is really a feeder into the DA team, the DA should be pulling a couple of these girls up a game. For instance, there are 30 players on the Atlanta United roster who all practice with the first team day-in-day-out. Some players are pulled up from the 2's (Pogba, Bello, Robinson, Carleton) to fill in the 1's. If you REALLY want to attract the best players you can have a big first team pool (starters and backups) training at DA-level and DPL players play in the DPL and a couple may see some DA minutes. The advantage is that you're getting what the USSF has assured us is the best training but you still get to play in HS. DPL in California does seem to pull their girls up for some games and trainings. At least that is what my Cali friend says. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 3, 2019 16:54:45 GMT -5
That's what I'm saying though. Practice with and against the DA team and then play games in DPL. Theoretically if it is really a feeder into the DA team, the DA should be pulling a couple of these girls up a game. For instance, there are 30 players on the Atlanta United roster who all practice with the first team day-in-day-out. Some players are pulled up from the 2's (Pogba, Bello, Robinson, Carleton) to fill in the 1's. If you REALLY want to attract the best players you can have a big first team pool (starters and backups) training at DA-level and DPL players play in the DPL and a couple may see some DA minutes. The advantage is that you're getting what the USSF has assured us is the best training but you still get to play in HS. How many players were pulled from ECNL? That will give you an idea if any will be pulled from DPL At NTH they pulled a couple for the U14's last year. Not sure about other age groups. It wasn't very frequent though. |
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Post by footyfan on Sept 3, 2019 18:19:23 GMT -5
The question to ask is: Why doesn't USSDA support a second tier(Premiere?) league?
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Sept 5, 2019 10:15:32 GMT -5
This was planned in advance of the storm. The girls didn't play their third game because a team from South Carolina left the tournament to evacuate in advance of the storm. The tournament directors had to re-schedule the games and since UFA is not a DPL team, they were left without a Day 3 opponent. The girls showed well. They only played 2 games, but won both and gave up no goals: Win vs SOLAR SOUTH 06G DPL 2-0
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 5, 2019 10:23:38 GMT -5
UFA was planned because 5 Texas teams were coming and FC Virginia wasn't going to come so it would have been 4 teams from the east. UFA made 5 teams. Then the Florida teams pulled out 2 or so days beforehand due to the storm. Mt Pleasant played for 2 days and left before the 3rd day.
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Post by soccerplayer1 on Sept 6, 2019 17:45:53 GMT -5
Did the U13 DPL girls play in this showcase? I didn’t them listed in the schedule and curious why they wouldn’t be included.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 6, 2019 17:49:58 GMT -5
Did the U13 DPL girls play in this showcase? I didn’t them listed in the schedule and curious why they wouldn’t be included. No they did not play. Not sure east teams are doing DPL for U13. Maybe someone else can tell you that. West coast did not do it their first year. |
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Post by soccerplayer1 on Sept 6, 2019 17:55:10 GMT -5
Thanks. Very confusing. U13 has four teams (including Tophat) listed total under East.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Sept 6, 2019 21:58:36 GMT -5
I initially asked some questions about DPL and I sat back and listened and read what a lot of competent folks had to say about it. No dog in this fight but I still don't get it. It's not a full fledged league, yet. So who do they play on a regular week-in, week-out basis? Is it a supplemental league where you play in one league and you supplement your finite schedule with the weekend showcases of DPL? One of the justifications that was brought up was to expand the DA player pool. Hmmm isn' that what your lower teams are for. Take UFA, if you're not good enough to make the full DA squad, you play with the NPL team, which also allows you to train with the DA team and even get in a few games with the DA squad. My 2 1/2 cents, until this league is ironed out, clear seasons designated, along with schedules and opponents to justify year round programming is put into place, I think it's a colossal money grab to feed the egos of those at NTH who don't have ECNL to fall back on...
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 7, 2019 6:14:27 GMT -5
I initially asked some questions about DPL and I sat back and listened and read what a lot of competent folks had to say about it. No dog in this fight but I still don't get it. It's not a full fledged league, yet. So who do they play on a regular week-in, week-out basis? Is it a supplemental league where you play in one league and you supplement your finite schedule with the weekend showcases of DPL? One of the justifications that was brought up was to expand the DA player pool. Hmmm isn' that what your lower teams are for. Take UFA, if you're not good enough to make the full DA squad, you play with the NPL team, which also allows you to train with the DA team and even get in a few games with the DA squad. My 2 1/2 cents, until this league is ironed out, clear seasons designated, along with schedules and opponents to justify year round programming is put into place, I think it's a colossal money grab to feed the egos of those at NTH who don't have ECNL to fall back on... It is not a supplemental league. At least not billed that way. My 2 cents...this was started in Cali where the proximity of a lot of amazing clubs with extremely high quality second team players made it high quality for them in year one. Have friends there on DA at a top club and they say their DPL players are amazing. Problem here is that the southeast doesn't have that kind of population density and 5 clubs spread out from Virginia to Florida for one half of the east and then having the Texas and Colorado clubs for the other half doesn't make for an attractive travel schedule. If they want to make this an attractive league they need to get more high quality clubs into it around here. That said the quality of play at the showcase was overall very good. Some really strong teams and players were there. As for the player pool issue...I agree. Why do you need a specific league for that? Your second team should be challenged in whatever league you put them in and NPL or NL or DPL or whatever should still be acceptable to expand your player pool. Have those kids train with DA to see if they can manage it. |
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Post by soccerplayer1 on Sept 7, 2019 7:48:37 GMT -5
I initially asked some questions about DPL and I sat back and listened and read what a lot of competent folks had to say about it. No dog in this fight but I still don't get it. It's not a full fledged league, yet. So who do they play on a regular week-in, week-out basis? Is it a supplemental league where you play in one league and you supplement your finite schedule with the weekend showcases of DPL? One of the justifications that was brought up was to expand the DA player pool. Hmmm isn' that what your lower teams are for. Take UFA, if you're not good enough to make the full DA squad, you play with the NPL team, which also allows you to train with the DA team and even get in a few games with the DA squad. My 2 1/2 cents, until this league is ironed out, clear seasons designated, along with schedules and opponents to justify year round programming is put into place, I think it's a colossal money grab to feed the egos of those at NTH who don't have ECNL to fall back on... [br There are only 9 games on the U13 schedule and they did not play in the weekend showcase. As someone pointed out, only on of the other clubs besides Tophat is a DA club. |
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Post by footyfan on Sept 7, 2019 8:32:20 GMT -5
Since 0% of these girls are DA, they could have played the league games as one ATL tournament over a long weekend and saved the parents some time and money. However I'm guessing all the effort and the fabricated connection to DA is an ego stroke to some of those very parents.
It may make sense in the west, but it is pure propaganda to keep the players/parents as paying customers at their clubs back east.
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Post by soccer3 on Sept 7, 2019 9:38:38 GMT -5
This DPL thing makes ZERO sense. Why not just put those teams into NL or NPL? The schedule is ridiculous and the quality is suspect. The Texas DPL has a direct tie in to the real NL AND those teams play TX State Cup. CA DPL teams also play in the real NL too. A few of those TX DPL teams made Regionals but I dont think any won it so it's not like they are to good for the league.
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