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Post by messindreams on Sept 9, 2019 12:33:03 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on SCCL - P with two weeks in? How are the newly added clubs doing? Was there a need to create SCCL - P or could SCCL have expanded to new clubs(no need to revisit NL vs SCCL debate).
I am following the DPL thread but wanted to know your thoughts are on SCCL - P, thanks in advance.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 9, 2019 13:17:00 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on SCCL - P with two weeks in? How are the newly added clubs doing? Was there a need to create SCCL - P or could SCCL have expanded to new clubs(no need to revisit NL vs SCCL debate). I am following the DPL thread but wanted to know your thoughts are on SCCL - P, thanks in advance. Well technically most of SCCL-P has only played one weekend as for most teams this was the opening weekend. I know my kid's team has only played 1 game so far and has 1 game this Saturday then for some weird reason they don't play again till 10/12 which a lot of time between games. I don't think that is ideal and didn't make much sense to me. Other than that, my impression: The league looks to be run well from what I am seeing so far. Competition level is fine. I don't think we can really say much about it till the end of the Fall season really as compared to other leagues like NL, Classic/Athena, etc.... |
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Post by nole95 on Sept 9, 2019 13:20:12 GMT -5
I think SCCL-P is going to be a mixed bag. My daughter knows a couple of girls that play on the UFA 03 SCCL-P team, and they easily won both their games this past weekend. From what I can tell, one of the teams they beat might have been a bad Athena A team last fall.
I also know for sure that UFA moved an 04G Athena B team to SCCL-P as well. Based on standings from last fall, that team probably might not have been promoted to Athena A. They lost both games pretty handily this past weekend.
So I think we are going to see some lopsided scores because clubs probably had to commit teams to this new league, and some of these teams probably have no business playing at that level.
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Post by Keeper on Sept 9, 2019 14:05:19 GMT -5
Three games in and one blow out lose and two blow out wins. So about the same Athena B experience we expected with 2 top teams and a bunch of mediocre ones.
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Post by Shesakeeper on Sept 9, 2019 14:33:22 GMT -5
UFA 05G SCCLp won both games this weekend against two teams that were top half of the Athena A bracket last year, so I would say quality in our age group seems like upper Athena A plus. We moved from Athena A at small club to UFA, and so far are happy with the sccl organization, schedule and the tents and water was definitely a plus this past weekend! We also have a large gap in the scheduling leading up to Columbus weekend, not sure why, but the mini tournament between east and west is that next weekend so maybe we'll just train hard and schedule a few scrimmages...
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 9, 2019 15:06:12 GMT -5
Every club, every age group is different so it's difficult to gauge everything.
For AFU, thus far on the girls side are 14-1-3 (W-L-D) which is what I'd expect, but the boys are struggling at 8-8-2.
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Post by messindreams on Sept 10, 2019 12:18:03 GMT -5
I think SCCL-P is going to be a mixed bag. My daughter knows a couple of girls that play on the UFA 03 SCCL-P team, and they easily won both their games this past weekend. From what I can tell, one of the teams they beat might have been a bad Athena A team last fall. I also know for sure that UFA moved an 04G Athena B team to SCCL-P as well. Based on standings from last fall, that team probably might not have been promoted to Athena A. They lost both games pretty handily this past weekend. So I think we are going to see some lopsided scores because clubs probably had to commit teams to this new league, and some of these teams probably have no business playing at that level. Interesting, lopsided games don't help anyone. Maybe league will promote/relegate at the end of fall. |
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Post by messindreams on Sept 10, 2019 12:21:57 GMT -5
UFA 05G SCCLp won both games this weekend against two teams that were top half of the Athena A bracket last year, so I would say quality in our age group seems like upper Athena A plus. We moved from Athena A at small club to UFA, and so far are happy with the sccl organization, schedule and the tents and water was definitely a plus this past weekend! We also have a large gap in the scheduling leading up to Columbus weekend, not sure why, but the mini tournament between east and west is that next weekend so maybe we'll just train hard and schedule a few scrimmages... Good scrimmages always help and I know UFA does a great job with them. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 10, 2019 12:35:12 GMT -5
Interesting, lopsided games don't help anyone. Maybe league will promote/relegate at the end of fall. Unfortunately the league has set up no formal promotion/relegation procedure yet and that is my only critique of them as a parent with a kid in SCCL-p. My son's team could be top 2 in SCCL-p and unless the other club SCCL team just sucks we are looking at having to stay in SCCL-p. As of now any promotion or relegation is strictly by club. So if you have 2 strong teams each deserving of being in the top division one of them is going to get screwed. If they want to grow as a league they need to set a formal promotion/relegation procedure in place for the league not leave it up to the clubs to move teams around. The issue is there are a lot of egos in the Big 6. No one wants to be that club where both their teams are in the 2nd division while another one has 2 in the top division, so I have a feeling true promotion/relegation will not happen any time soon. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 10, 2019 13:14:45 GMT -5
Yeah, especially since you're at a club with different locations for both teams, it makes it tough if you're unwilling to drive to make the move to the higher team. But I think UFA has shown in 1-2 instances that they will promote/relegate between the branches for SCCL if one team is obviously stronger. Perhaps this should be a requirement, that if you have teams in -1 and -P, they come from different branches? That way promotion/relegation would be more legitimate.
I'm sure AFU would like to have -1 in Duluth and give the -P to Henry County (or depending on team strength, vice versa). That way there are no SCCL-1 or SCCL-P teams, only SCCL teams and they play in either the Champions or Premier Leagues (or possibly a league 2 if SCCL continues to grow and replace GYSA).
It seems to me like -P has gone pretty well in the west division. East has yet to play a game and their brackets don't contain the advertised 11 teams.
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Post by 4theloveofsoccer on Sept 10, 2019 13:29:28 GMT -5
Every club, every age group is different so it's difficult to gauge everything. For AFU, thus far on the girls side are 14-1-3 (W-L-D) which is what I'd expect, but the boys are struggling at 8-8-2. I wouldn't say a record of 8-8-2 for AFU Boys SCCL-P is struggling, more of a record 4-12-2 is struggling IMO. Typically isn't the boys side stronger than girls at AFU? |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 10, 2019 14:02:47 GMT -5
Every club, every age group is different so it's difficult to gauge everything. For AFU, thus far on the girls side are 14-1-3 (W-L-D) which is what I'd expect, but the boys are struggling at 8-8-2. I wouldn't say a record of 8-8-2 for AFU Boys SCCL-P is struggling, more of a record 4-12-2 is struggling IMO. Typically isn't the boys side stronger than girls at AFU? That's my understanding...that under GH the boys had more emphasis.
But the reason I say "struggling" is that this is AFU's 2nd team playing GSA/SSA/NASA 3rd teams and Concorde/UFA 4th teams.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 10, 2019 14:32:23 GMT -5
I wouldn't say a record of 8-8-2 for AFU Boys SCCL-P is struggling, more of a record 4-12-2 is struggling IMO. Typically isn't the boys side stronger than girls at AFU? That's my understanding...that under GH the boys had more emphasis.
But the reason I say "struggling" is that this is AFU's 2nd team playing GSA/SSA/NASA 3rd teams and Concorde/UFA 4th teams.
But AFU is a smaller club with less (or no?) "Branch locations". At least for SSA their 3rd team is likely the 1st team at a branch location, and given the fact that a lot of good players or parents do not want to travel to a HQ location for higher teams a lot of those 1st teams for the branch locations are very good teams. So when it comes to mega clubs like SSA/Concorde/UFA, I'm not sure you can just go by it's their 3rd or 4th team. That isn't really that accurate. For the record the AFU team my son's team played last weekend was a decent team and it ended up in a tie, but the tie was due to some very bad officiating that gave a PK on a non-foul and a defensive mistake that resulted in an on-goal by my son's team. Otherwise his team was the more dominant team. My son's team was also missing two of their better players at the mid and wing position. I expect our team will beat them on the re-match if everyone is healthy and there. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 10, 2019 15:02:54 GMT -5
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 10, 2019 15:14:25 GMT -5
AFU east. Any idea on what club. I must have missed it. Is it RYSA? |
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Post by footyfan on Sept 10, 2019 16:08:57 GMT -5
It would be interesting if the side effect of the SCCL/SCCL-P was to shrink the size of the big 6 due to animosity amongst "branches" in a club about which branch gets to play in the higher league. That is shaping up to be a political nightmare.
The alternative to one-branch-per-level is animosity between clubs when one club is allowed more teams at a higher level.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 10, 2019 16:24:32 GMT -5
It would be interesting if the side effect of the SCCL/SCCL-P was to shrink the size of the big 6 due to animosity amongst "branches" in a club about which branch gets to play in the higher league. That is shaping up to be a political nightmare. The alternative to one-branch-per-level is animosity between clubs when one club is allowed more teams at a higher level. Yep is why their needs to be promotion/relegation rules in writing and in stone very soon or it will be a political nightmare. You can't leave it to the clubs to just promote relegate teams within. It isn't fair to clubs where their two teams could both be in the top of the 1st division. So something fair needs to be worked out for parents, players, club, and league. |
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Post by fanatic21 on Sept 10, 2019 16:40:18 GMT -5
It's funny that you talk of fairness when you signed your kid up to play in an exclusionary league. None of the entitlement leagues (DA, ECNL, SCCL, NPL) seem to care about promotion/relegation or fairness of any kind. Just about cornering the market and the $$.
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Post by footyfan on Sept 10, 2019 17:14:06 GMT -5
It's funny that you talk of fairness when you signed your kid up to play in an exclusionary league. None of the entitlement leagues (DA, ECNL, SCCL, NPL) seem to care about promotion/relegation or fairness of any kind. Just about cornering the market and the $$. I agree with you about SCCL/SCCL-P. At least DA and ECNL leagues have requirements for qualification into the league (coaches, past performance, fields). You "qualify" for NPL but here is still a ton of leeway for politics with acceptance. I'd say DPL is an entitlement league too, but no one seems to want to be in it in the southeast. No surprise all the worst leagues are run by same commissioner. The good ol boy business model works for the entitled. |
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Post by Keeper on Sept 10, 2019 17:19:48 GMT -5
One of the main reason SCCL was created was to get away from Promotion/Relegation so it will never happen unless someone over the Big 5 forces them. The clubs don’t want it. They don’t want to have to fight or justify to keep a team at a certain level. That’s why they always fight with Ga Soccer to keep that low level Athena A team that could only get two ties to stay in Athena A. They want that control, they need that control. This is the American way, just look at the MLS, the NCAA and the Power 5 Conferences. Fairness and reason are unamerican. The rich stay rich because they don’t share.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 10, 2019 17:23:19 GMT -5
No way any of this will happen (pro/rel) because it creates formal rules and takes power away from the clubs/board. Same deal as MLS. This is the American football way.
Yikes, sounds like I copied your post Jump.
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