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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Oct 3, 2019 9:50:09 GMT -5
I know it’s comically early in the current season to be wondering about next year, but I am aware of high level meetings that took place earlier this week at several clubs regarding the boys DA. Anyone have any concrete info about the following issues I’ve heard whispers about at this time?:
1. Will U13 indeed be dropped?
2. Will U16 be added as a stand-alone age group?
3. Will there only be full DA Clubs (U14 - U19) in the program going forward?
4. Will there indeed be a fourth full DA club in Atlanta?
5. Will the 2-tier structure of the current U19 teams be implemented across the board?
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Post by crossbar on Oct 3, 2019 10:36:38 GMT -5
Maybe.
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Post by newposter on Oct 3, 2019 11:11:21 GMT -5
DA as we know it will be gone imo within a few years. My prediction is based on all the "experimental" changes tried and frankly because those have changed, they have failed. Those changes include clubs added with only a few age groups, ages added then combined, etc. The biggest being MLS programs. It's a matter of time until they form their own league Academy and finally the continued utter FAILURE of the usmnt.
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Post by soccernotfootball on Oct 3, 2019 12:09:40 GMT -5
I know it’s comically early in the current season to be wondering about next year, but I am aware of high level meetings that took place earlier this week at several clubs regarding the boys DA. Anyone have any concrete info about the following issues I’ve heard whispers about at this time?: 1. Will U13 indeed be dropped? 2. Will U16 be added as a stand-alone age group? 3. Will there only be full DA Clubs (U14 - U19) in the program going forward? 4. Will there indeed be a fourth full DA club in Atlanta? 5. Will the 2-tier structure of the current U19 teams be implemented across the board? My predictions... 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes 5. Yes |
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Post by footyfan on Oct 3, 2019 14:38:27 GMT -5
I know it’s comically early in the current season to be wondering about next year, but I am aware of high level meetings that took place earlier this week at several clubs regarding the boys DA. Anyone have any concrete info about the following issues I’ve heard whispers about at this time?: 1. Will U13 indeed be dropped? 2. Will U16 be added as a stand-alone age group? 3. Will there only be full DA Clubs (U14 - U19) in the program going forward? 4. Will there indeed be a fourth full DA club in Atlanta? 5. Will the 2-tier structure of the current U19 teams be implemented across the board? My predictions... 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes 5. Yes Will the USL academy clubs join MLS or the "second tier" or will they be their own league? |
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Post by soccernotfootball on Oct 3, 2019 16:30:41 GMT -5
My predictions... 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes 5. Yes Will the USL academy clubs join MLS or the "second tier" or will they be their own league? With the model they announced in August - no, they won't join with MLS or "second tier". |
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Post by cleansheet on Oct 3, 2019 17:05:37 GMT -5
I know it’s comically early in the current season to be wondering about next year, but I am aware of high level meetings that took place earlier this week at several clubs regarding the boys DA. Anyone have any concrete info about the following issues I’ve heard whispers about at this time?: 1. Will U13 indeed be dropped? 2. Will U16 be added as a stand-alone age group? 3. Will there only be full DA Clubs (U14 - U19) in the program going forward? 4. Will there indeed be a fourth full DA club in Atlanta? 5. Will the 2-tier structure of the current U19 teams be implemented across the board? 1. U13 dropped 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. NASA? 5. 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 3, 2019 18:55:59 GMT -5
If it’s me and I’m a director at a non-mls club I’m
First setting up a conference call for Monday with every Non-MLS DA club in the southeast to discuss DA.
2nd replicating the same call with every club in the country or a representative from each conference.
Topics will range from being treated as second class citizens, need incentive to invest in local players, costs, travel demands, player restrictions etc.
kids should want to play DA if DA is at their club - should be a privilege and an honor. Similar to how kids want to play And aspire to play on the top u9 to u12 teams.
We are excluding way to many players.
Yes to every question and I’m saying NASA also gets full DA.
But I’m a crazy stupid idiot. If I’m Atlanta united - I’d want only u15 and above.
And if you identify kids younger with talent offer them scholarships to remain with their local club - then see how they are at u15. Not at 10.
This community has amazing youth coaches at every level a community that historically has done a good job grooming talent. Maybe not world class talent, but the MLS is far from world class.
Honestly now that champions league and epl is back, MLS is irrelevant in my opinion. Nobody sits around the water cooler at work, or in gym class at school arguing who is the best team in mls.
Sorry for the tangent.
Just pisses me off that will trap is on the US roster again.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Oct 3, 2019 21:09:39 GMT -5
My predictions... 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes 5. Yes Will the USL academy clubs join MLS or the "second tier" or will they be their own league? USL A - the Academy level - will have just one team per club, rostering players from U15 - U19 together on the same single team. Each team will have a cap on each age they can roster on that team. It’s an entirely different team structure than age-group soccer and as such it would not be possible for them to be in any standard age-group league. Maybe some weird friendlies could occur though. |
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Post by blu on Oct 4, 2019 7:26:22 GMT -5
I’d want only u15 and above. And if you identify kids younger with talent offer them scholarships to remain with their local club - then see how they are at u15. Not at 10. +1 |
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Post by Brinker on Oct 4, 2019 21:14:20 GMT -5
NASA will probably get a full DA. I think U13 DA will go away. DA should start at U14 or even U15. Let Atlanta United offer free, invite-only supplemental training for younger kids they want to monitor.
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Post by Keeper on Oct 4, 2019 21:44:54 GMT -5
So I’m not familiar with DA at all. (Seems like a joke) But when does Girls DA start? I mean if they keep dropping age groups and don’t want to compete with the MLS then what are they going to do for the female side?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 5, 2019 7:18:22 GMT -5
So I’m not familiar with DA at all. (Seems like a joke) But when does Girls DA start? I mean if they keep dropping age groups and don’t want to compete with the MLS then what are they going to do for the female side? Girls DA starts at U14 in most clubs. There are a few that have a pilot program that starts earlier. The U14 age group doesn't have DA cup for girls nor playoffs. They have a few showcases. Only U15 and above have playoffs and DA cup. While there are many clubs that have both boys and girls DA, not all clubs do (such as Tophat). Even when you are on Tophat's DA page they don't have the NASA boys teams on it. I don't believe the girls DA structure and fate is strongly linked to the boys. I suspect Boys DA will remain strong regardless of the MLS clubs in part because of the huge size of our country. We are still a very long way from having a pro club every 1-2 hours from someone's home like most of Europe. Also, we Americans, like choices. While the MLS clubs should compete against non-MLS clubs, especially the ones in the same area, I don't think that the loss of that competition will harm the players in the long run...it just seems stupid. |
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Post by Brinker on Oct 5, 2019 12:15:49 GMT -5
So I’m not familiar with DA at all. (Seems like a joke) But when does Girls DA start? I mean if they keep dropping age groups and don’t want to compete with the MLS then what are they going to do for the female side? So you have no familiarity with DA at all, but somehow you hold the opinion that it is a joke? Go to a DA game with Nasa or CF or UFA or AU playing and see how hard these kids play and then share your opinion. |
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Post by newposter on Oct 5, 2019 19:46:33 GMT -5
I think comment on how hard a team plays could be said for most teams, DA not exclusive in their play.
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Post by localsoccernovice on Oct 5, 2019 20:59:06 GMT -5
Curious as to why people think nasa would get full DA ? Their program is and has been pretty avg...well behind CF and UFA.
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Post by Brinker on Oct 5, 2019 21:12:18 GMT -5
I think comment on how hard a team plays could be said for most teams, DA not exclusive in their play. Agree. Kids generally play hard. DA just plays at a more advanced level ... a bit faster, more physical, and certainly more technical. |
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Post by Brinker on Oct 5, 2019 21:14:43 GMT -5
Curious as to why people think nasa would get full DA ? Their program is and has been pretty avg...well behind CF and UFA. Well CF and UFA already have full DAs, but if there is to be another full DA in Atlanta then I think NASA is better than the remaining programs. In fact, NASA 07 DA team is very high level. |
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Post by Keeper on Oct 5, 2019 23:34:56 GMT -5
So I’m not familiar with DA at all. (Seems like a joke) But when does Girls DA start? I mean if they keep dropping age groups and don’t want to compete with the MLS then what are they going to do for the female side? So you have no familiarity with DA at all, but somehow you hold the opinion that it is a joke? Go to a DA game with Nasa or CF or UFA or AU playing and see how hard these kids play and then share your opinion. I’ve seen DA teams play. That round thing is still suppose to go through the rectangular thing but again the league is a joke. It’s just another cash cow alphabet soup league. Some good players, some crap players and some players who’s mommy’s and daddy’s spent too much money for them to make a team. Programs like “DA” are why the US will not earn another World Cup spot for decades to come. I don’t need to know the structure of a league to know it’s corrupted and pointless. |
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Post by Brinker on Oct 6, 2019 6:05:31 GMT -5
So you have no familiarity with DA at all, but somehow you hold the opinion that it is a joke? Go to a DA game with Nasa or CF or UFA or AU playing and see how hard these kids play and then share your opinion. I’ve seen DA teams play. That round thing is still suppose to go through the rectangular thing but again the league is a joke. It’s just another cash cow alphabet soup league. Some good players, some crap players and some players who’s mommy’s and daddy’s spent too much money for them to make a team. Programs like “DA” are why the US will not earn another World Cup spot for decades to come. I don’t need to know the structure of a league to know it’s corrupted and pointless. Ok, some of what you say is true; I disagree with some of it, but you are entitled to have your opinion as long as it is informed by something. |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Oct 6, 2019 9:59:56 GMT -5
Regarding potential scholarship dollars and professional pathways, this is a country with several more attractive sports options than many other countries where soccer is king. Whatever alphabet leagues exist and at whatever perceived level the players are performing, our biggest challenge remains attracting and retaining the best talent. Of course there will be politics and shady actors involved in any league and league pyramid structure in any sport, but it seems like soccer in particular has done a very poor job building a structure in which the cream rises to the top instead of moving on to another churn. Because any sort of overhaul of the system looks highly unlikely in the near term, all I’m hoping for are incremental changes that trend toward better competitive experiences, a more comprehensible pathway, and achievable goals for players - hence my original questions above.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 6, 2019 10:25:54 GMT -5
So you have no familiarity with DA at all, but somehow you hold the opinion that it is a joke? Go to a DA game with Nasa or CF or UFA or AU playing and see how hard these kids play and then share your opinion. I’ve seen DA teams play. That round thing is still suppose to go through the rectangular thing but again the league is a joke. It’s just another cash cow alphabet soup league. Some good players, some crap players and some players who’s mommy’s and daddy’s spent too much money for them to make a team. Programs like “DA” are why the US will not earn another World Cup spot for decades to come. I don’t need to know the structure of a league to know it’s corrupted and pointless. I object to you calling CHILDREN playing on any top team as "crap players." Anyone can have a bad day/week/month. Anyone can struggle to adjust to a new coach/style/level (see Pulisic, Griezman, Hazard, etc). There are no "crap players" playing on DA. There may be some that are not at that level and are not strong enough for that, but they are not "crap." Those kids are all still really good players. Put them on most other teams around and they will be one of the best. I agree that there are some that have used influence of some type to get on a team that above their level, but even those kids are still strong enough to be above average. Plus the child shouldn't be blamed for that influence being used...even if they beg their parents for it, it is the parent who made them entitled to begin with. |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 6, 2019 19:57:43 GMT -5
Agree the term is not appropriate. However there are players on DA who are not as talented as others who are not on a DA roster. The thing to remember is a DA program is only interested in developing 1 perhaps 2 players per age. The rest are there so the club can provide practice players for those 1 or 2 players. Look at AU. In 3 years, we've seen Carlton and Bello. Bello has been injured, Carlton now exclusively on AU2. Barcode, Hyndman, Pogba, Pity. Meram all purchased. What does that say about DA?
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Post by rifle on Oct 6, 2019 20:00:03 GMT -5
It says closed leagues fail against open competition.
But closed leagues are safer for those with the power and control, and yielding power and control is not on the agenda for domestic soccer leadership.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 6, 2019 21:14:03 GMT -5
And in 4 more World Cups, the US will have the same results losing to teams like Trinidad and Tobago. The MLS top teams will continue to be at the 3rd or 4th division quality anywhere but in the US.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 7, 2019 8:40:08 GMT -5
Agree the term is not appropriate. However there are players on DA who are not as talented as others who are not on a DA roster. The thing to remember is a DA program is only interested in developing 1 perhaps 2 players per age. The rest are there so the club can provide practice players for those 1 or 2 players. Look at AU. In 3 years, we've seen Carlton and Bello. Bello has been injured, Carlton now exclusively on AU2. Barcode, Hyndman, Pogba, Pity. Meram all purchased. What does that say about DA? I think that is true for MLS da clubs, but don't think that is necessary true for concorde and UFA -- I see much more interest in their top 11-14 players on each team where AU has been vocal in presentations about their focus being on those identified/labeled "for the pro tract" I've seen too many late bloomers, I would never turn my back on kid that is in my teams 18, you never know what can happen with kids < 18 years of age. Growth spurts, huge gains mentally, stress at school at home, kids are kids -- stop trying to determine our next great players at 15 years of age. I don't give a crap what they do in Europe, we aren't Europe and never will be. |
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Post by daddyo on Oct 7, 2019 14:14:16 GMT -5
Concorde and UFA have many suspect players also. A lot of politics to get on a CF or UFA DA team, even RD's team. I've seen it too many times to count. I will also mention there are some serious talent on those teams also. Players that I really enjoy watching and belong in the cream of the crop in Atlanta.
And remember, the best u17-u18 team last year did not come from AU, CF or UFA's DA teams.
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Post by newposter on Oct 7, 2019 19:35:25 GMT -5
Correct - best u17 team last year in Georgia not from any DA program.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 13, 2019 6:11:06 GMT -5
So you have no familiarity with DA at all, but somehow you hold the opinion that it is a joke? Go to a DA game with Nasa or CF or UFA or AU playing and see how hard these kids play and then share your opinion. I’ve seen DA teams play. That round thing is still suppose to go through the rectangular thing but again the league is a joke. It’s just another cash cow alphabet soup league. Some good players, some crap players and some players who’s mommy’s and daddy’s spent too much money for them to make a team. Programs like “DA” are why the US will not earn another World Cup spot for decades to come. I don’t need to know the structure of a league to know it’s corrupted and pointless. Which is it... So you've seen DA teams play, yet your earlier statement was "So I’m not familiar with DA at all. (Seems like a joke)" and now you've added the "crap player moniker" hmmm. By chance, are you a coach? Curious if this is how you segment your players - Good Players, Crap Players and Entitled Players... |
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Post by Brinker on Oct 13, 2019 15:44:39 GMT -5
Correct - best u17 team last year in Georgia not from any DA program. Who is that? Are you suggesting that another U17 team could beat Atlanta United, CF, and UFA? That strikes me as very doubtful but I don’t know which team you are referring to so can’t be sure. |
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