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Post by 04gparent on Oct 8, 2019 15:02:16 GMT -5
I think the majority of us on the forum would agree that the price to play for your children is too expensive. In the past I have put the majority of the blame on the local clubs. However, I found some information about the yearly fees for ECNL that shifts some of that blame:
Each ECNL club must pay $4,500 yearly to the organization.
Each team is required to participate in 1 to 3 national events WITH the fee per event $1,200 per team.
So for girls u16 team:
* Club fee of $4500 / 7 teams = $643 (Yearly fee divided by number of teams in all age groups)
* 3 required National Events = $3,600
Total is $4,243 BEFORE the local club has even had a chance to include their cost (coaches, field space, etc)!
If 18 players each player is paying approx $236 directly to ecnl corporate.
Please note, I love most parts of the ECNL. I appreciate what they have done and continue to do for the girls game. I am simply attempting to educate others. I found this info today on the ECNL website. Is Dev Academy similar? I'm not sure, but I assume so...
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 8, 2019 15:14:12 GMT -5
I'm sure DA is very similar.
Lets expand this out though. $4,500 * 90 = $455,000
That is purely administrative money, not a single ref paid or field rented. Plus factor in the boys side. For the girls events, prior to field rentals/refs they likely pull in over $12M. Starting a new elite league may be a lucrative business.
Semi-related question, who picks the local refs for ECNL and who pays them? Home team? League?
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Post by footyfan on Oct 8, 2019 16:00:52 GMT -5
I'm sure DA is very similar. Lets expand this out though. $4,500 * 90 = $455,000 That is purely administrative money, not a single ref paid or field rented. Plus factor in the boys side. For the girls events, prior to field rentals/refs they likely pull in over $12M. Starting a new elite league may be a lucrative business. Semi-related question, who picks the local refs for ECNL and who pays them? Home team? League? The guy who runs SCCL and NPL ran a USCS league up north in 2016 and paid himself $70,000 for 20 hrs/week. He is a teacher. It was his side job. Cant imagine what he makes with all these leagues. There is loads of your money to make running these leagues. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Oct 8, 2019 20:39:37 GMT -5
I'm sure DA is very similar. Lets expand this out though. $4,500 * 90 = $455,000 That is purely administrative money, not a single ref paid or field rented. Plus factor in the boys side. For the girls events, prior to field rentals/refs they likely pull in over $12M. Starting a new elite league may be a lucrative business. Semi-related question, who picks the local refs for ECNL and who pays them? Home team? League?
You and I may have very different ideas of 'lucrative'..
$455k of purely administrative money.. is like 9-10 poorly paid employees.
Where did you get the $12M number? that is getting a bit closer to 'lucrative' if true.
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 9, 2019 0:43:51 GMT -5
I think the majority of us on the forum would agree that the price to play for your children is too expensive. In the past I have put the majority of the blame on the local clubs. However, I found some information about the yearly fees for ECNL that shifts some of that blame: Each ECNL club must pay $4,500 yearly to the organization. Each team is required to participate in 1 to 3 national events WITH the fee per event $1,200 per team. So for girls u16 team: * Club fee of $4500 / 7 teams = $643 (Yearly fee divided by number of teams in all age groups) * 3 required National Events = $3,600 Total is $4,243 BEFORE the local club has even had a chance to include their cost (coaches, field space, etc)! If 18 players each player is paying approx $236 directly to ecnl corporate. Please note, I love most parts of the ECNL. I appreciate what they have done and continue to do for the girls game. I am simply attempting to educate others. I found this info today on the ECNL website. Is Dev Academy similar? I'm not sure, but I assume so... For ECNL you don't have to participate in 3 events, I think only one local club used to do that. Also I heard if you're successful enough to make Nationals, they give your team some money to help with costs. |
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Post by 04gparent on Oct 9, 2019 7:33:13 GMT -5
I think the majority of us on the forum would agree that the price to play for your children is too expensive. In the past I have put the majority of the blame on the local clubs. However, I found some information about the yearly fees for ECNL that shifts some of that blame: Each ECNL club must pay $4,500 yearly to the organization. Each team is required to participate in 1 to 3 national events WITH the fee per event $1,200 per team. So for girls u16 team: * Club fee of $4500 / 7 teams = $643 (Yearly fee divided by number of teams in all age groups) * 3 required National Events = $3,600 Total is $4,243 BEFORE the local club has even had a chance to include their cost (coaches, field space, etc)! If 18 players each player is paying approx $236 directly to ecnl corporate. Please note, I love most parts of the ECNL. I appreciate what they have done and continue to do for the girls game. I am simply attempting to educate others. I found this info today on the ECNL website. Is Dev Academy similar? I'm not sure, but I assume so... For ECNL you don't have to participate in 3 events, I think only one local club used to do that. Also I heard if you're successful enough to make Nationals, they give your team some money to help with costs. Hi soccermom. You are correct. I referenced it above. The amount of events depends on the age of the team. It is clearly stated on their website. Maybe waivers to not attend in some age groups are given. If they help with cost that is a cool perk. |
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Post by guest on Oct 9, 2019 10:17:15 GMT -5
Last year’s ECNL nationals were in San Diego. This year is in North Carolina. Much cheaper, but not near as much cachet.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 9, 2019 11:04:58 GMT -5
I'm sure DA is very similar. Lets expand this out though. $4,500 * 90 = $455,000 That is purely administrative money, not a single ref paid or field rented. Plus factor in the boys side. For the girls events, prior to field rentals/refs they likely pull in over $12M. Starting a new elite league may be a lucrative business. Semi-related question, who picks the local refs for ECNL and who pays them? Home team? League?
You and I may have very different ideas of 'lucrative'..
$455k of purely administrative money.. is like 9-10 poorly paid employees.
Where did you get the $12M number? that is getting a bit closer to 'lucrative' if true.
Do they really need 9-10 employees to administer the league/pay website upkeep/etc? I think of it more like a concert promoter, 2-3 people is all you need. I'm sure they pull in more than that in admin costs though.
12M = $1200 * 2 (average events) * 90 (clubs) * 6 (teams per club) = ~$13M
But from that they have to pay field rentals, referees, merch people, etc. Plus their merch is HELLA expensive. $90+ for a hoodie. Probably $50-60 for a shirt.
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Post by hammertime on Oct 9, 2019 11:24:21 GMT -5
Last year’s ECNL nationals were in San Diego. This year is in North Carolina. Much cheaper, but not near as much cachet. For the boys...just released. CHARLESTON, S.C. (Oct. 9, 2019) – The 2020 Elite National Premier League (ENPL) National Playoffs will be held June 25-July 1 at d***'S Sporting Goods Park in Commerce City, Colorado. The tournament features 13-U through 19-U boys qualifiers from NPLs and Boys ECNL Conferences around the country. For the 13-U – a new addition to the ENPL postseason structure – age group, as well as the 19-U age group, the 2020 ENPL National Playoffs will serve as those divisions' national championship. For the 14-U through 17-U brackets, participating teams are competing for berths to the ENPL National Finals, which will be held July 9-13 at a location TBA. The top four 14-U teams from the ENPL National Playoffs advance to the Finals, while the top eight from the 15-U, 16-U and 17-U age groups advance. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Oct 10, 2019 7:07:00 GMT -5
You and I may have very different ideas of 'lucrative'..
$455k of purely administrative money.. is like 9-10 poorly paid employees.
Where did you get the $12M number? that is getting a bit closer to 'lucrative' if true.
Do they really need 9-10 employees to administer the league/pay website upkeep/etc? I think of it more like a concert promoter, 2-3 people is all you need. I'm sure they pull in more than that in admin costs though.
12M = $1200 * 2 (average events) * 90 (clubs) * 6 (teams per club) = ~$13M
But from that they have to pay field rentals, referees, merch people, etc. Plus their merch is HELLA expensive. $90+ for a hoodie. Probably $50-60 for a shirt.
OK.. that's pretty damn lucrative. |
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