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Post by infoguy on Oct 15, 2019 6:09:52 GMT -5
Clubs don't develop players, players develop themselves. It's all about hard work and dedication. Some players may develop through osmosis and some take hundreds of hows of private training. But it always takes hard work in the end to prove oneself.
I agree in the sense that there are enough quality clubs that will teach players enough of the right things. It's the player that needs to touch the ball and go to kick-arounds in between the scheduled practices. I believe the clubs that are the most successful are the ones that are able to recruit players. All this talk about AU and what to give them credit for, I could say the same thing about some of the other major clubs. For instance, SSA arguably has the best coaches in the Atlanta area (for real, actual BPL player and coaching experience), but they can't accomplish what CF has accomplished in Atlanta.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 15, 2019 7:43:03 GMT -5
It's more than just going and messing around, it's specific skills that the vast majority of coaches wont do or dont think they have time to teach (that they will expect players to get on their own time). These are the things a good private trainer with lots of experience will work on in 5-10 minutes in a session...that might make that tiny difference in a challenge between 2 players that could turn into a goal-scoring or game-winning opportunity for a team.
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Post by firedragon on Oct 16, 2019 8:54:31 GMT -5
A decade from now we’re gonna see some seriously awesome talent coming out of this country. Just wait and see.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Oct 16, 2019 10:04:42 GMT -5
How? Where’s the talent coming from? D1 soccer player sons? Coach’s sons? Until soccer can attract and retain D1 football and basketball player sons nothing will change.
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Post by mightydawg on Oct 16, 2019 10:13:40 GMT -5
How? Where’s the talent coming from? D1 soccer player sons? Coach’s sons? Until soccer can attract and retain D1 football and basketball player sons nothing will change. Disagree completely. The problem for US soccer is not a lack of athletes playing soccer. The problem is a lack of skill and creativity. I think this is a result of kids playing organized sports, and only organized sports, at such a young age. The creativity is coached right out of kids from the beginning. As a result, we end up with a number of players who can support a great player but never develop the great player. |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Oct 16, 2019 13:07:06 GMT -5
How? Where’s the talent coming from? D1 soccer player sons? Coach’s sons? Until soccer can attract and retain D1 football and basketball player sons nothing will change. Disagree completely. The problem for US soccer is not a lack of athletes playing soccer. The problem is a lack of skill and creativity. I think this is a result of kids playing organized sports, and only organized sports, at such a young age. The creativity is coached right out of kids from the beginning. As a result, we end up with a number of players who can support a great player but never develop the great player. Mightydawg I agree with your comment but I would also add that once soccer becomes much more affordable and the salary rises for the professional players we won't be revelete. I wonder how soccer would be in Spain, Brazil or Germany if we were charging 1500 dollars a kid and then had to pay for travel and uniform? And let's not forget you don't get to play the good teams in your region. Until we get leadership that can admit we have made a mistake and start listening to it players/parents we will continue to swim in quicksand. That's only my opinion |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 16, 2019 13:52:03 GMT -5
Yeah, ALL OF IT, and I mean ALL OF IT, lays directly at the feet of USSF. Strong leadership is needed and sorely lacking.
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Post by soccerguru on Oct 16, 2019 14:09:12 GMT -5
I've been hearing the same old story for 30 yrs. "In a decade were really gonna have some great soccer talent", I'm still waiting and it's for many of the same issues previously stated.
Food for thought:
1. The very best athletes we have in the US do not play soccer and never will. Too much money in baseball, football and basketball. The world only has a few Messi's and Ronaldo's, when they're multiple Allen Crabbe's that can make 18.5 million a year (for example). Take our very best players developed in Atlanta Carleton (85K) Bello (75k). Never going to happen
2. Youth Soccer is crazy expensive. When it all started in ATL, the best of the best played each other locally in Atlanta. R3pl came around that eliminated the top two teams, but the remainder of the teams in Classic 1 still had 4-5 good teams. However, all teams reunited to play state cup. Now, the Alphabet Leagues including DA is a joke, the best of the best are not playing each other weekend and week out. Great kids are being priced out of soccer before they are 8 years old.
3. Goes along with money grab, everyone thinks they're a "real" soccer coach when many coaches are just grabbing onto a job to make a living and further exploiting the system. Don't get me wrong, they're some great soccer coaches in Atlanta but they are few and far between. I've seen Dad's that have never played soccer and after spending thousands of dollars getting their sons trained by professional coaches, are now coaches and trainers themselves.
4. History has proven that in the US, we fail to develop soccer players from the 16-21 age. It's a knock on our entire system. Once everyone catches up physically, the mental and technical side walks past us.
5. When we were kids, we made each other better by playing sports in our spare time. Today, kids have too many distractions to keep them from playing pickup games, individual skill sessions on their on, etc. and this is gonna get worse.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 16, 2019 14:24:40 GMT -5
Regarding #5, they're also quite often locked out of parks where they would go and play pickup and spend time working on skills and shooting. My daughter and I have been shoo'ed out of public parks many times during training sessions. Simple things that used to be free to the public are liability-managed and put behind paywalls these days. Iceland has done the opposite, provided free and open access to small-sided fields for everyone. They WANT everyone playing soccer, they are the new model for soccer. www.soccertoday.com/tom-byer-on-iceland-is-more-advanced-in-youth-soccer-than-the-usa/# |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Oct 16, 2019 21:18:00 GMT -5
1. The very best athletes we have in the US do not play soccer and never will. Too much money in baseball, football and basketball. The world only has a few Messi's and Ronaldo's, when they're multiple Allen Crabbe's that can make 18.5 million a year (for example). Take our very best players developed in Atlanta Carleton (85K) Bello (75k). Never going to happen
When the lowest paid NFL player and MLB make more money then 75% of MLS player why would the great athlete play soccer. The water boy on an NFL team makes close to the Carleton and Bello salary. Also if that is correct that an MLS salary cap is 10M that is sad. How many guys on the Falcon make that just by themselves.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Oct 16, 2019 21:18:25 GMT -5
1. The very best athletes we have in the US do not play soccer and never will. Too much money in baseball, football and basketball. The world only has a few Messi's and Ronaldo's, when they're multiple Allen Crabbe's that can make 18.5 million a year (for example). Take our very best players developed in Atlanta Carleton (85K) Bello (75k). Never going to happen
When the lowest paid NFL player and MLB make more money then 75% of MLS player why would the great athlete play soccer. The water boy on an NFL team makes close to the Carleton and Bello salary. Also if that is correct that an MLS salary cap is 10M that is sad. How many guys on the Falcon make that just by themselves.
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Post by 2316 on Oct 20, 2019 16:22:35 GMT -5
How did the Atlanta United vs Concorde matches turn out today?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 20, 2019 16:41:34 GMT -5
I bet the concorde 19s won big —— wait they don’t play each other.......disturbing
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 20, 2019 17:01:44 GMT -5
How did the Atlanta United vs Concorde matches turn out today? Atlanta United with the clean sweeeeeeep 🧹🧹🧹🧹 U13s : 2-1 U14s : 4-2 U15s : 4-1 U17s : 4-0 Grand total of 14 GF and 4 GA. The U14s and the U15s were riddled with a lot of dirty play by CF and more importantly foul language. I just don't understand how as parents, you allow your kids to speak like that. But that's just me. I am curious if Social Media will be on 🔥 today by AU with a whole club beat down of CF 😁😁😁 |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 20, 2019 17:07:02 GMT -5
I bet the concorde 19s won big —— wait they don’t play each other.......disturbing I too thought it weird that they don't play CF nor UFA 😱 |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Oct 20, 2019 17:15:00 GMT -5
The AU & CF U13s had a very good match. Weird lack of substitution by AU until only 5-10 minutes left though. No bad behavior in that game that I saw - it was just good soccer.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 20, 2019 17:24:51 GMT -5
The AU & CF U13s had a very good match. Weird lack of substitution by AU until only 5-10 minutes left though. No bad behavior in that game that I saw - it was just good soccer. From what I was told, it was part of their plan for getting the lads ready for the upcoming 4 game DA showcase this upcoming weekend. Play some more, play some minimally, rested legs, clear minds, etc. |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Oct 20, 2019 17:34:59 GMT -5
Don’t know if I buy that! Hahahaha! Looked a lot like good ole SD’s strategy at SSA last year. At any rate, the U13 kids and parents at both clubs still like each other - hope that continues!
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 20, 2019 20:08:07 GMT -5
Bam.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 20, 2019 20:14:21 GMT -5
U19?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 20, 2019 20:18:14 GMT -5
Concorde and UFAs 19s are beneath the AU team, No self respecting mls team would waste their time playing Concorde or UFA. I’m hearing AU won’t even scrimmage UFA. AUs 19s are in a different division than the other 2 local clubs The big boys play in the red division The little guys play in the blue division. These divisions took years of negotiations and daily discussions with each club director, communication was exceptional..... www.ussoccerda.com/sam/standings/league/standings.php?leagueId=MTI1Ng%3D%3D |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 20, 2019 20:44:54 GMT -5
CF and UFA both finished ahead of AU last year at u17. AU lost scrimmage game to another local ECNL team. Hmmmmm no self respecting...perhaps another reason?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 20, 2019 20:59:09 GMT -5
CF and UFA both finished ahead of AU last year at u17. AU lost scrimmage game to another local ECNL team. Hmmmmm no self respecting...perhaps another reason? He was being sarcastic. This was discussed months ago when the new U19 divisions were posted. Several non-MLS clubs with strong track records were left out of the "big boys" division with no clear pathway of how to get into the top division. |
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Post by soccerfan111 on Oct 20, 2019 21:25:53 GMT -5
Did anyone watch any of these games and see the large gap between the Concorde teams and the AU teams? The organization, the difference in composure, the difference in coaching, the discipline the AU players played with? As a relative of a Concorde player and as someone who saw all but the last game between the 17s, what AU provides these kids for free is insane. As someone who played in a pro academy in Europe at the youth level, very few, if ANYONE, on this whole comedic site has a clue about player development OR soccer business culture. But I do enjoy reading this ignorant, comedic gold. It's like a million Borats on a forum. Loud, ignorant, extremely misinformed, and mostly hilarious  |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 20, 2019 22:07:50 GMT -5
So aside from insulting everyone on this forum as pointing out that AU kids have better access to resources, what's your point?
Also, with what you're saying, an AU team should NEVER, EVER lose to CF or UFA DA team, EVER. If they ever do again from this point on it would be a colossal organizational failure if that happened. Colossal. Like total reorg bad.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Oct 20, 2019 22:42:53 GMT -5
Wow. Nobody realized that. Thanks!
We can recognize that and still cheer on The Bad News Bears, The Karate Kid, the cutters from Breaking Away, Rocky, etc.
I only saw the U13 game and what I saw was a CF coach giving meaningful minutes to all his players while the AU coach, seemingly petrified of marring the club’s marketing materials with a loss, made just 1 substitution until the final 5 minutes. And even doing that, they were extremely lucky to get the win.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 21, 2019 2:18:00 GMT -5
Did anyone watch any of these games and see the large gap between the Concorde teams and the AU teams? The organization, the difference in composure, the difference in coaching, the discipline the AU players played with? As a relative of a Concorde player and as someone who saw all but the last game between the 17s, what AU provides these kids for free is insane. As someone who played in a pro academy in Europe at the youth level, very few, if ANYONE, on this whole comedic site has a clue about player development OR soccer business culture. But I do enjoy reading this ignorant, comedic gold. It's like a million Borats on a forum. Loud, ignorant, extremely misinformed, and mostly hilarious Welcome aboard and welcome your comments. Talking about your comments, so the first part of your post is your opinion, the second part is your ignorance and the final third are your assumptions(ask folks here what it means to ASSume). Do we have trolls on here, absolutely. But contrary to your opinionated, ignorant assumptions, I can attest to folks on here being well informed, well intentioned and very experienced in the world of Footy - Including in and around Europe. But last I checked, our kids don't play in the former Soviet Republic of Georgia, but in the state of Georgia(USA). So frankly what works for youth development in Europe or South America, doesn't necessarily mean it will translate into success here in the States. Final note, I did find your comment somewhat loud, ignorant, extremely misinformed and mostly hilarious. Thanks for the chuckle 🙃🙃🙃 |
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Post by soccergator on Oct 21, 2019 7:49:02 GMT -5
........ while the AU coach, seemingly petrified of marring the club’s marketing materials with a loss, made just 1 substitution until the final 5 minutes. And even doing that, they were extremely lucky to get the win. Unless its the 11 players that never get to play, this is kind of disturbing. We are talking about 11/12 year olds, play them. I had a kid part of a GA United vs Concorde u13 DA game a few years ago, GA United lost 1-0 to a very very good concorde team, GA United coach didn't make a single substitution the entire game, not one sub. Not even sure why the coach showed up to be honest. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 21, 2019 10:40:03 GMT -5
Bottom line -- we are in bad need of reform, if I was the federation I would have monthly meetings on how to fix the current landscape from u9 to USL and MLS.
But I'm just an idiot who didn't play soccer in Europe or professionally in America.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 21, 2019 10:43:35 GMT -5
But I'm just an idiot who didn't play soccer in Europe or professionally in America. Youth soccer in Europe. Also, to be THAT impressed with the resources at AU, they must be better than those in Europe. |
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