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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 17, 2019 19:42:33 GMT -5
I have not listened yet www.soccerwire.com/news/should-development-academy-players-be-allowed-to-play-high-school-soccer/But this quote flat out bothers me! “ But at the same time, if you want to be a professional; if you want to be a National Team player, or even just a college player, the DA is 100-times better than high school in terms of development. You get better training, better resources, better facilities, and you’re learning how to play in a professional environment.” Making blanket comments like this are just wrong!
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 18, 2019 9:34:26 GMT -5
"Learning how to play in a professional environment". Great, that will apply to what, 15-20% of DA players who go on to play professional soccer straight out of high school?
I don't have much anecdotal experience at the HS level (my HS was the only big one in the city that didn't institute a soccer team so I played club through HS). But I will say that this fall when my kid played MS volleyball she felt a perceivable amount more pressure than in her club soccer games, the atmosphere is more intense. Aside from a possible screaming coach and a few screaming parents, MOST of the club soccer games I've watched are lower pressure than many of the school sports I've watched.
I'd be willing to bet that at a large majority of the high schools in the state there is at least one teacher who played soccer in high school. It may take some work, but sometimes you have to rest control of school teams away from the PE teachers/football coaches.
Are they going to play with and against lower-level players? Absolutely. Will they get a chance to develop leadership qualities and mentor other players? Absolutely. Will they play for a knowledgeable coach? Possibly? Will they play a different position? Possibly and even hopefully.
The last one brings me to another question, do DA players often switch positions during the game? Given the limited subbing rules, my guess would be not often. Are they pigeon-holed into a position? Does DA create rounded soccer players or positional players?
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Oct 18, 2019 10:07:12 GMT -5
As far as position changing, I’ve observed it this way: CBs and center mids don’t change; LBs & RBs might move to outside mids; Attacking third players move around there and possibly to outside mid positions. That’s about it.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 18, 2019 11:52:12 GMT -5
Yes, there are some high school coaches that are a joke. yes, some high school soccer teams playing disgusting soccer. yes, it can be dirty, ugly, you name it --
but there are some gems out there, and some great coaches and great high school players.
Also --I love how just because a coach is coaching DA that all of a sudden that means you get better training etc.....
I'm a DA guy -- don't get me wrong, but I still 100% understand the value of a good quality high school experience -- high school is fun, brings the joy and love back into the game for many, don't under estimate its value in this so called "development" of a player. And yes, I hate the term development - it's more about fostering, nurturing, discovering, allowing creativity, discovering strengths, focusing on weaknesses and building relationships.
The point is players should be able to make that decision. High school isn't for everyone, but for some its excellent. Now -- I get it, if UFA/Concorde fully funded DA like AU, then I wouldn't want them playing highschool either, if i'm investing so much money into them.
But, for some kids, they could gain so much, kids that aren't playing much, wow, could be an amazing experience, they could become the best player on a team, a leader and role model for the younger players. The concept of hanging out with the older guys on the soccer team is like the coolest thing ever!!
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 18, 2019 12:26:58 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is saying DA players SHOULD play in HS, but if they WANT TO and the club/DA isn't paying for their club soccer...there are benefits, so why not let them? Usually HS practice is right after school. It can be especially beneficial for a kid who will never be a pro and its even possible it could make them better if they can play for a good program.
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Post by coffee on Oct 18, 2019 13:55:35 GMT -5
"... But I will say that this fall when my kid played MS volleyball she felt a perceivable amount more pressure than in her club soccer games, the atmosphere is more intense. Aside from a possible screaming coach and a few screaming parents, MOST of the club soccer games I've watched are lower pressure than many of the school sports I've watched. ... 100% agree with this feeling. I mean, Holy crap, but high school games can get entire stadiums whipped up into a frenzy. That’s some serious pressure for kids to learn to deal with. And it doesn’t just start building right before the game either. The pressure can start building at the school early in the week.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 18, 2019 21:08:03 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is saying DA players SHOULD play in HS, but if they WANT TO and the club/DA isn't paying for their club soccer...there are benefits, so why not let them? Usually HS practice is right after school. It can be especially beneficial for a kid who will never be a pro and its even possible it could make them better if they can play for a good program. I think it is fine for DA kids to play high school while they are NOT playing DA. You should go off the DA roster if you play for your high school AT THE SAME TIME. There is one really, really good reason for this...overuse. It is inappropriate for kids to train for 1.5-2 hours at high school and then train 1.5 hours at DA on the same days and even worse for them to play a high school game and then go to DA training. Sports medicine experts STRONGLY discourage playing in 2 leagues for the same sport concurrently due to overuse injuries including increasing your risk for serious ligament damage. So play one or the other, but not both...for their health.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 19, 2019 9:28:37 GMT -5
Unless of course you attend a small private school, amirite? I don't understand why they put that exception into the DA rules.
Regarding the overuse...if you play 60 min in a HS game and 20 in a DA game? Also, don't basically every pro club and college do 2-a-days (or more) prior to the seasons?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 19, 2019 12:36:53 GMT -5
Unless of course you attend a small private school, amirite? I don't understand why they put that exception into the DA rules. Regarding the overuse...if you play 60 min in a HS game and 20 in a DA game? Also, don't basically every pro club and college do 2-a-days (or more) prior to the seasons? I don't think it matters whether you are in a small school or not. It should not be allowed simultaneously. Pros are not children (generally). Children are still growing. Are you aware that the last growth plate closes at 23 for girls and 25 for boys? Muscle mass increases as well. Pros and college kids also don't spend 35 hours per week sitting behind a desk. They have strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists and athletic trainers that monitor their fitness and manage training loads and game minutes and prescribe cold therapy, massage, etc. Finally, it isn't only game minutes that matter (though from an intensity per minute it is often higher). I think if you play 80 minutes in a high school game you shouldn't then train for 90 minutes with your DA team on the same day. We all know this is a mistake. Also college games and pro games on not on back to back days. They usually have 2-7 days between games (usually at least 4). Listen to how grueling the college coaches say the conference tournaments are (the only time they play back to back days). If you are going to have DA games during high school soccer season then DA players should not play both.
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Post by Keeper on Oct 19, 2019 19:12:50 GMT -5
So what I heard is only do DA if you want to be a Professional soccer player. So in that case 80% of DA Players and teams need to be cut and go back into real normal competitive leagues. It’s funny how DA is already killing themselves with being over Elitist.
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Post by SoccerFirst on Oct 19, 2019 19:15:46 GMT -5
I'm glad to see someone posted this. If DA wants to have a rule that doesn't allow it's players to play HS then that's their decision as a league. My biggest issue isn't with the league it is with the coaches at DA Clubs stringing players along as DP players, keeping players from playing HS. I have watched potential HS starters, be strung along all season, hoping to play and move onto the roster and never get there or get injured playing DA, that's right, not while playing HS. One of my favorite wives tales that club coaches tell, HS is where all the players get hurt, tell that to my Junior that missed her freshman and sophomore years because she tore her ACL playing at CF in the fall two years in a row. I also can't stand when they make the player think they can't get recruited to play DI from an ECNL team, REALLY? Have a look at the Stanford, Florida, UVA, USC, UNC, Clemson rosters and see where the majority of the freshman played last year, I also love to look at the number of HS accolades they all have, the number of Gatorade players of the year. The truth is, if a player wants to play HS, she or he should do it. I played at a mediocre GA HS, but played against the best and I made lifelong friends. ALSO, most club coaches won't bring this up, BUT HS soccer is the ONLY level of play at that age that holds STUDENT-Athletes accountable for their performance in the classroom, LIKE COLLEGE. If you aren't passing, you don't play, and some coaches have even higher standards than those set by GHSA. In college, you have to be on track to graduate and players have credits and other eligibility requirements that must be ulfilled in order to play. Like I mentioned on my AFU-ECNL post, these leagues are competing for 1 thing $$$... the clubs are competing for a pierce of the Atlanta market... they may be Non-for profit of Not-for profit, but the $$$ thrown around by these clubs is disgusting, when you think about what they were initially created for, recreational youth soccer community organizations that have evolved into multi million dollar elite clubs.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Oct 20, 2019 7:48:21 GMT -5
Really need separate sections for girls & boys. Everything said above might be true for girls but not in the same universe for boys soccer. Every experience we’ve had is the exact opposite as described. Girls & boys soccer may as well be entirely different sports.
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Post by rudy on Oct 20, 2019 8:39:39 GMT -5
Personally know 4 players who this happened to on the boys side. Two trained a whole year and never played a minute on the field in a game.
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Post by coffee on Oct 20, 2019 15:04:59 GMT -5
Personally know 4 players who this happened to on the boys side. Two trained a whole year and never played a minute on the field in a game. Which, a DA, or high school team? EDIT: Never mind. If they trained a whole year, it must’ve been a DA team.
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