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Post by honeybadger on Nov 11, 2019 17:09:08 GMT -5
The turn around of this team is enjoyable to watch.
Fall 2019 0 Wins 13 Losses and 1 Draw Goal Differential: -29
After 12 games:
Fall 2020 6 Wins 3 Losses 3 Draws Goal Differential: +6
My opinion only: if I were forced to pick areas of improvement I'd say about the only things we need may be one more CB with physicality and experience and 1 more striker who has no fear of shooting. The rest to me is just getting used to playing with each other as 4 players missed 4 games each, 1 missed 3 games, 1 player missed 10 games and 1 player missed 6 games, while this team is a merger of 5 clubs.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 11, 2019 17:52:00 GMT -5
If the team stays together next year then I am sure they will be even better. Kudos to those girls for working together so quickly. That is not easy. How many of the girls remain from last season?
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Post by honeybadger on Nov 11, 2019 18:16:38 GMT -5
6 left over from UFA's 2019 team.
5 from AFU NL
4 from GSA
1 from KSA
1 from TH ECNL
IMHO coach Claudin has been spectacular. He plays NO favorites.
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Post by footyfan on Nov 12, 2019 6:33:59 GMT -5
6 left over from UFA's 2019 team. 5 from AFU NL 4 from GSA 1 from KSA 1 from TH ECNL IMHO coach Claudin has been spectacular. He plays NO favorites. Why did so many girls move to that team? Where did the former players go? |
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Post by coffee on Nov 12, 2019 7:33:19 GMT -5
I really thought I was starting to understand this game. How did you guys manage to play games in the future? We’re they able to find a DeLorean somewhere? 😂 j/k
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Post by honeybadger on Nov 12, 2019 8:30:11 GMT -5
I'm not sure where the others went as we didn't know them. I can only speak about the AFU group that came over and, basically, there were three reasons.
First, when AFU dropped NL and told our girls they would be SCCL-2, that wasn't something some of the kids/parents wanted as they had previously beaten some SCCL-1 teams in tourneys, etc. The GSA group and some of the AFU group go to school together so there was some connection there but I'm sure there were other factors for that group too so I can't speak to that with any certainty.
Second, the AFU team went through 5 coaches in 24 months so the parents were just looking for some stability.
Third, the location was reasonably close for many of the kids from the other clubs so it made sense there too.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Nov 12, 2019 16:29:51 GMT -5
The turn around of this team is enjoyable to watch. Fall 2019 0 Wins 13 Losses and 1 Draw Goal Differential: -29 After 12 games: Fall 2020 6 Wins 3 Losses 3 Draws Goal Differential: +6 My opinion only: if I were forced to pick areas of improvement I'd say about the only things we need may be one more CB with physicality and experience and 1 more striker who has no fear of shooting. The rest to me is just getting used to playing with each other as 4 players missed 4 games each, 1 missed 3 games, 1 player missed 10 games and 1 player missed 6 games, while this team is a merger of 5 clubs. Good for them and thankful their hard work is paying off. Especially for those that were on the team last season. Confirm for me, but didn't some of their losses or draws come about while some of their players were recovering from the MMA oops I mean the game against SSA...? 🤪🏃♂🤪🏃♂ |
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Post by honeybadger on Nov 12, 2019 17:06:32 GMT -5
That’s 😄...
If my memory is correct we had three girls out against SSA and then during that game lost the 4th one on a dirty foul that was red carded.
That was the last game of the preseason tourney .
On the bright side , we played the SSA SCCL1 team twice this regular season and they still haven’t scored on us😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Nov 13, 2019 9:50:11 GMT -5
6 left over from UFA's 2019 team. 5 from AFU NL 4 from GSA 1 from KSA 1 from TH ECNL IMHO coach Claudin has been spectacular. He plays NO favorites. Agreed, completely different team from the year before and SCCL is getting weaker at the 05 age group in general |
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Post by footyfan on Nov 13, 2019 11:34:03 GMT -5
6 left over from UFA's 2019 team. 5 from AFU NL 4 from GSA 1 from KSA 1 from TH ECNL IMHO coach Claudin has been spectacular. He plays NO favorites. Agreed, completely different team from the year before and SCCL is getting weaker at the 05 age group in general I agree that this seems to be a new group under the same team name as prior year. It appears the group of AFU players must have developed in spite of the coaching chaos if they made the team better in the first season? Good on them if so. That resilience will pay off in life. Ive already said I think that creating the SCCL is just a money/power grab by the big clubs/SCCL commish/USCS, but I'm not sure one team performing better (or worse) is an indicator that the entire age group in that league is getting worse. In the end, we should be in club ball for the development/happiness of our kids 1st and the performance of their teams 2nd and the performance of the clubs 3rd and the performance of the league not at all, so the who cares about the rest if the child development is evident. Same goes for child, class, school, school district in education. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 13, 2019 11:57:37 GMT -5
Tangentially...not trying to diminish the improvement of the UFA Norcross team, but...
The rest of the AFU 05 girls 2nd team who stayed won their SCCL-P bracket (AFU girls have won half of the girls SCCL-P brackets thus far and will likely finish at 2nd in the other 3).
The AFU 05 3rd team is in the top 1/3 of their Athena A bracket. A couple players could have probably made the difference in that team making NL this fall.
Point is, the grass isn't always greener.
As for SCCL being a power grab, ABSOLUTELY. Money, eh, not much more $$$ for SCCL than A/I teams at most clubs. Club fees seem to be going up around $100-200 per year at the big clubs regardless.
Lastly, looks like there will likely be an NTH team back in NL next year (05 NTH North White). I'm curious how that team would fare against their 05 SCCL and SCCL-P teams. Pretty cool that there's options.
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Post by USoCcer on Nov 13, 2019 12:06:58 GMT -5
If I were a betting person, I would bet the NTH North White team will NOT be in NL next year. I don't think they will apply. I have no insider knowledge of this. As SCCL expands (as rumors have stated), these teams will simply fill in the new division of SCCL. Or the best players might be cherry picked to join the SCCL-P team for next season. As a guess, I would bet that the spot in NL for the 05G next season will go to either NGA, Effingham or Impact. Whichever team finishes highest in the table this season. I don't think any of the big 6 clubs will ask for that spot.
But with the supposed changes to NL qualifying for next year, there's no telling how the tables will look
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Post by coffee on Nov 13, 2019 22:22:17 GMT -5
Lastly, looks like there will likely be an NTH team back in NL next year (05 NTH North White). I'm curious how that team would fare against their 05 SCCL and SCCL-P teams. Pretty cool that there's options. If I were a betting person, I would bet the NTH North White team will NOT be in NL next year. I don't think they will apply. I have no insider knowledge of this. As SCCL expands (as rumors have stated), these teams will simply fill in the new division of SCCL. Or the best players might be cherry picked to join the SCCL-P team for next season. So am I right in thinking that any transition from Athena to NL, or Athena to SCCL would not happen after the Fall season (in the middle of contracts) due to the fees that parents made were lower than NL, or SCCL? Also, I thought that the conventional wisdom equated SSCL-P with Athena B, and SCCL with Athena A. If that’s correct, and if Tophat 05G North White continues to lead U15 Athena A two seasons in a row, it seems to me that they would be destined for SCCL, not SCCL-P. Yet, I don’t understand if there are limitations on how many teams a single club can enter into SCCL, ECNL, DPL, DA, etc... |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 14, 2019 8:39:47 GMT -5
They wouldnt be destined for SCCL anything unless NTH wanted to take that spot from the primary location and give it to metro north (or milton or wherever that team is from). Both of NTH teams in SCCL and SCCL-P are mid-bracket, so the success of that team tells me that either:
1-Athena A is that much weaker this year
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2-some talented girls chose to play for a local location rather than spend time driving to a main practice location for SCCL/SCCL-P/DPL
Or a combination of both. A few head-to-head friendlies between that team and the SCCL and DPL teams might tell us a lot.
Pretty sure GA Soccer has to offer that team a spot in NL. Up to NTH whether they want to accept and deal with the NL logistics.
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Post by USoCcer on Nov 14, 2019 9:21:29 GMT -5
I think overall Athena A is a shell of what it once was. For the past two years some of the best teams from the Athena A brackets have migrated to SCCL / SCCP - P. In addition, some of the not so best teams have also migrated to SCCL / SCCL - P. Other teams that were in Athena A got promoted to NL when by the letter of the law, they didn't deserve to. But I think it was more of a "Well, if we don't promote you to NL, who are we going to promote?" You can find teams that played Athena C last season and are all of a sudden playing Athena A this season, without a large influx of new players.
But in regards to the NTH team, they can still be overtaken in the bracket by Impact, so it just depends on how the whole thing finishes. It will be interesting to see if that NTH team would have benefitted from have the two points back for no jersey numbers the first two games of the season.
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Post by coffee on Nov 14, 2019 9:59:15 GMT -5
Thanks. Yeah I’ve been thinking that the quality of the Athena A & B brackets, at all ages has probably been reduced. There used to be more brackets (with East and West at some levels). Yet, there are still enough teams to fill brackets A through D, which is a good thing.
Also, yes the teams are very close for U15 Athena A & B — a W or L can shift several teams in the standings.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 14, 2019 10:16:13 GMT -5
That's interesting about the points lost on jersey numbers. Not the first case I've heard of this season. We have 2 options...never change jerseys, recycle them like a school team, or have tryouts a few months earlier so uniforms will be ready for August 1st. Because the uniform providers are NEVER ready for the demand.
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Post by shesallthat on Nov 14, 2019 15:03:16 GMT -5
Lots of tangents here. 1. No, the UFA Norcross team isn't good just because of the AFU kids. There are 11 new kids so they all had something to do with it. Although I admit, the AFU group did happen to fill some weak spots from last years' team, and the 6 UFA holdovers must have been there top players because those 6 girls are really good. 2. The coach is phenomenal and that helps. As far as AFU SCCL-P, they are doing well and with friends on that team, we pull for them. That said, I assume that their level of competition is weaker than the NL was when we were there last year. Heard that from folk, haven't personally watched so I don't know. Behind the scenes, I've been told the people running AFU now are trying to make a push to get their club into SCCL-1 next year and have put many ecnl players on those SCCL-2 teams and then roster them up for ECNL games. Have no clue if that's true, but like we all do on this site, we post what we here. And I've also heard from people in the SCCL clubs that ain't gonna happen. Who knows. As far as the Athena A/B talk, I think this post started to congratulate the UFA Norcross girls and not to get into a debate about Athena A/B, etc  |
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Post by coffee on Nov 14, 2019 16:29:53 GMT -5
As far as the Athena A/B talk, I think this post started to congratulate the UFA Norcross girls and not to get into a debate about Athena A/B, etc Great point shesallthat. Thanks for pulling it back on topic. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Nov 14, 2019 17:01:17 GMT -5
Lots of tangents here. 1. No, the UFA Norcross team isn't good just because of the AFU kids. There are 11 new kids so they all had something to do with it. Although I admit, the AFU group did happen to fill some weak spots from last years' team, and the 6 UFA holdovers must have been there top players because those 6 girls are really good. 2. The coach is phenomenal and that helps. As far as AFU SCCL-P, they are doing well and with friends on that team, we pull for them. That said, I assume that their level of competition is weaker than the NL was when we were there last year. Heard that from folk, haven't personally watched so I don't know. Behind the scenes, I've been told the people running AFU now are trying to make a push to get their club into SCCL-1 next year and have put many ecnl players on those SCCL-2 teams and then roster them up for ECNL games. Have no clue if that's true, but like we all do on this site, we post what we here. And I've also heard from people in the SCCL clubs that ain't gonna happen. Who knows. As far as the Athena A/B talk, I think this post started to congratulate the UFA Norcross girls and not to get into a debate about Athena A/B, etc I know quite a few people at AFU, across many age groups, and the club is not purposely placing ECNL players on the SCCL-P teams to make them look stronger. If there are any players from the SCCL team playing ECNL it is because the ECNL team needed a player and the person chosen was a good fit for the game. The bottom line is AFU has their second team in SCCL-P, so they are just stronger than almost everyone they are playing...3rd & 4th teams for other clubs. It is true AFU wants a spot in SCCL-1, and it has been mentioned around the club since last year that they want that for 2020/2021. However, I don't see it happening that fast, if at all. I think if they are going to get an SCCL-1 team it will be due to expansion where SCCL-1 is split into divisions and there are multiple additions to the league. Will that happen next year, or ever? Who knows at this point. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 14, 2019 19:27:56 GMT -5
You're damned if you play players down...and apparently you're damned if you play players up?
I can't help but LOL at the concept of 1st team players accepting being placed down on the 2nd team just to help the club win SCCL games at the expense of playing in ECNL games.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Nov 19, 2019 22:29:42 GMT -5
Lots of tangents here. 1. No, the UFA Norcross team isn't good just because of the AFU kids. There are 11 new kids so they all had something to do with it. Although I admit, the AFU group did happen to fill some weak spots from last years' team, and the 6 UFA holdovers must have been there top players because those 6 girls are really good. 2. The coach is phenomenal and that helps. As far as AFU SCCL-P, they are doing well and with friends on that team, we pull for them. That said, I assume that their level of competition is weaker than the NL was when we were there last year. Heard that from folk, haven't personally watched so I don't know. Behind the scenes, I've been told the people running AFU now are trying to make a push to get their club into SCCL-1 next year and have put many ecnl players on those SCCL-2 teams and then roster them up for ECNL games. Have no clue if that's true, but like we all do on this site, we post what we here. And I've also heard from people in the SCCL clubs that ain't gonna happen. Who knows. As far as the Athena A/B talk, I think this post started to congratulate the UFA Norcross girls and not to get into a debate about Athena A/B, etc Afu playing ecnl kids down to falsely elevate their lower teams.....some things never change with that club |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Nov 20, 2019 5:45:52 GMT -5
Focus, the title of this post is [UFA Norcross 05 Girls SCCL]...
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Post by holding on Nov 20, 2019 8:43:39 GMT -5
I'm sure MM is sending ECNL players down for SCCL-P games when 3 or 4 of their 6 teams are in the running for a Champions League slot. Makes complete sense that he would do that.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 20, 2019 9:32:56 GMT -5
I'm sure MM is sending ECNL players down for SCCL-P games when 3 or 4 of their 6 teams are in the running for a Champions League slot. Makes complete sense that he would do that. Garbage. Spouting nonsense. There are way too many schedule overlaps for this to be feasible. Looking at the schedule I see at least 7 overlap days (5 of which when the ECNL's were in Florida). AFU's 2nd team was simply better (by and large) than the 3rd and 4th teams from most of the other clubs. Several ECNL players lost their places to NTH, UFA and CF players transferring in and decided to stay at AFU. Some didn't want to buy new jerseys and still have the patch on their arm.
Our team was the most successful of the AFU girls teams. Not a single player from the ECNL team played in a game. At least 3 SCCL players played up in and ECNL game or 2.
I'll chalk this up to haters want to hate.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 20, 2019 12:56:40 GMT -5
I'm sure MM is sending ECNL players down for SCCL-P games when 3 or 4 of their 6 teams are in the running for a Champions League slot. Makes complete sense that he would do that. Garbage. Spouting nonsense. There are way too many schedule overlaps for this to be feasible. Looking at the schedule I see at least 7 overlap days (5 of which when the ECNL's were in Florida). AFU's 2nd team was simply better (by and large) than the 3rd and 4th teams from most of the other clubs. Several ECNL players lost their places to NTH, UFA and CF players transferring in and decided to stay at AFU. Some didn't want to buy new jerseys and still have the patch on their arm.
Our team was the most successful of the AFU girls teams. Not a single player from the ECNL team played in a game. At least 3 SCCL players played up in and ECNL game or 2.
I'll chalk this up to haters want to hate.
I think the post was meant to be sarcastic. After all he said it made sense. We all know it doesn't make sense. However, there has been history of many clubs playing kids down on teams and AFU was one of them. I hope that had changed with the new leadership. |
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Post by holding on Nov 20, 2019 13:30:52 GMT -5
Garbage. Spouting nonsense. There are way too many schedule overlaps for this to be feasible. Looking at the schedule I see at least 7 overlap days (5 of which when the ECNL's were in Florida). AFU's 2nd team was simply better (by and large) than the 3rd and 4th teams from most of the other clubs. Several ECNL players lost their places to NTH, UFA and CF players transferring in and decided to stay at AFU. Some didn't want to buy new jerseys and still have the patch on their arm.
Our team was the most successful of the AFU girls teams. Not a single player from the ECNL team played in a game. At least 3 SCCL players played up in and ECNL game or 2.
I'll chalk this up to haters want to hate.
Oraclesfriend, your powers of deductive reasoning far surpass those of atlfutboldad's apparently. I think the post was meant to be sarcastic. After all he said it made sense. We all know it doesn't make sense. However, there has been history of many clubs playing kids down on teams and AFU was one of them. I hope that had changed with the new leadership. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 20, 2019 16:50:28 GMT -5
My bad holding, I thought it was maxx who said that. Discussions between threads and whatnot. I don't believe a pass-down happened in any games this fall. Several of the teams brought up 3rd team players due to injury issues however.
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Post by holding on Nov 20, 2019 17:44:17 GMT -5
My bad holding, I thought it was maxx who said that. Discussions between threads and whatnot. I don't believe a pass-down happened in any games this fall. Several of the teams brought up 3rd team players due to injury issues however. I forgive you fellow AFU'er. |
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Post by messindreams on Nov 20, 2019 18:39:39 GMT -5
Tangentially...not trying to diminish the improvement of the UFA Norcross team, but... The rest of the AFU 05 girls 2nd team who stayed won their SCCL-P bracket (AFU girls have won half of the girls SCCL-P brackets thus far and will likely finish at 2nd in the other 3). The AFU 05 3rd team is in the top 1/3 of their Athena A bracket. A couple players could have probably made the difference in that team making NL this fall. Point is, the grass isn't always greener. As for SCCL being a power grab, ABSOLUTELY. Money, eh, not much more $$$ for SCCL than A/I teams at most clubs. Club fees seem to be going up around $100-200 per year at the big clubs regardless. Lastly, looks like there will likely be an NTH team back in NL next year (05 NTH North White). I'm curious how that team would fare against their 05 SCCL and SCCL-P teams. Pretty cool that there's options. No dog in the fight here but agree with you and I know some AFU kids who were on last year's ECNL team that are now playing SCCL-P. They didn't change jerseys. In fact some of the players from SCCL-P teams are playing up helping ECNL as far as I know. That said, UFA Norcross 05 Girls team has made great strides in the right direction. |
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