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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 13, 2020 10:24:58 GMT -5
So -- yes, trolling here.
But figured it needed to be shared. Eddie Johnson - the former USMNT player sparked some controversy with this tweet yesterday.
and nice follow up thread:
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jan 13, 2020 10:58:14 GMT -5
They can't help it, they copy what they see in MLS right? "I learned it from you!" ;P Just a note though, it is tough to find more than 3 passes in a row strung together by a side in this game (for most of the game its tough to find more than 2).
And before anyone gets huffy about that...16 year olds are still generally pretty sloppy. And there's plenty of questionable 50/50 balls sent out of the back in this game. But if you watch college soccer (womens anyways) there's a lot of long-ball action and very little build from the back.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Jan 13, 2020 15:12:32 GMT -5
Personally I think it is unfair that he specifically picked out U17 girls ECNL. I have watched a lot of soccer in this country and I see a lot of the same...not just girls, not just ECNL, and not just at the U16-U19 age groups.
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Post by mightydawg on Jan 13, 2020 15:30:29 GMT -5
Personally I think it is unfair that he specifically picked out U17 girls ECNL. I have watched a lot of soccer in this country and I see a lot of the same...not just girls, not just ECNL, and not just at the U16-U19 age groups. I think that you are missing the point. U17 ECNL should be the very best soccer that the U.S has to offer for high level female youth soccer because it is not diluted by players being in college or playing high school. What Johnson observes is that at the highest levels, U.S. is playing kick ball and not developing the player. If it is occurring at the highest level, it is certainly occuring in the levels below. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 13, 2020 15:35:26 GMT -5
But to his point, while I don't necessary follow Johnson on twitter, he must have some "axe" to grind -- his comments do seem to be somewhat random. (I did not dig through his history through)--
I've seem him down at disney in the past, not sure what he's doing these days. I had heard he was doing private sessions.
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Post by 04gparent on Jan 13, 2020 15:56:12 GMT -5
But to his point, while I don't necessary follow Johnson on twitter, he must have some "axe" to grind -- his comments do seem to be somewhat random. (I did not dig through his history through)-- I've seem him down at disney in the past, not sure what he's doing these days. I had heard he was doing private sessions. (Focused on girls) I dont think he has an "axe" to grind... He actually has a daughter that used to play at one of the Florida clubs. Our U13 ECNL team played against his daughter a couple of years back. To his credit he didnt say much during the game. He sat and cheered on his kid. I am not going to discuss the ENCL vs DA thing, but I will say that tactics are CLUB specific not league specific. Yes ECNL has ties into LaLiga from a coaches education perspective, but it does not force clubs to use the tactics. Same with Girls DA, the clubs have access to great continuing education, but can implement whatever tactics they desire. I advise all parents and fans to go watch some other teams play. Not just your child's team. Your eyes will tell you everything. I try to watch all of the Atlanta teams play (both ECNL and DA). Like it or not the clubs dictate the tactics. And at most clubs the tactics are not very good IMO. So I agree with him.... Thoughts? What have you seen? |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jan 13, 2020 16:10:32 GMT -5
But it IS diluted. DA diluted the girls side further (than ECNL diluted it in 2009) and there's plenty of good players still in NL.
No league for boys or girls has ALL the best players...this should be seen by USSF as a problem.
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Post by ultimatedad on Jan 13, 2020 16:24:38 GMT -5
They should change the "Elite" to "Another".
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Post by atv on Jan 14, 2020 8:55:44 GMT -5
Who is Chris Kessel? What is his playing and coaching background? Honestly I don’t know. Is he more qualified than the vast majority of coaches he is critiquing? He stated he didn’t even attend....
From what I’ve seen. Most ECNL styles are similar to the style of play in most college programs. A mix. Possession some of the time. Compact defensive lines and more direct at others. ECNL does not dictate the style of play or emphasize one particular strategy over another. Eddie Johnson is welcome to his opinion. What is he doing these days?
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Post by footyfan on Jan 14, 2020 16:42:14 GMT -5
Who is Chris Kessel? What is his playing and coaching background? Honestly I don’t know. Is he more qualified than the vast majority of coaches he is critiquing? He stated he didn’t even attend.... From what I’ve seen. Most ECNL styles are similar to the style of play in most college programs. A mix. Possession some of the time. Compact defensive lines and more direct at others. ECNL does not dictate the style of play or emphasize one particular strategy over another. Eddie Johnson is welcome to his opinion. What is he doing these days? I think Kessel runs a local club in WVA and is on the state board. He talks mostly about trying to make club soccer more accessible/affordable. |
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Post by rifle on Jan 14, 2020 17:40:17 GMT -5
Who is Chris Kessel? What is his playing and coaching background? Honestly I don’t know. Is he more qualified than the vast majority of coaches he is critiquing? He stated he didn’t even attend.... From what I’ve seen. Most ECNL styles are similar to the style of play in most college programs. A mix. Possession some of the time. Compact defensive lines and more direct at others. ECNL does not dictate the style of play or emphasize one particular strategy over another. Eddie Johnson is welcome to his opinion. What is he doing these days? Kessell is a guy trying to wag the smelly dog that is USSF. Active in proposing changes through his local and state and national organization. Active proponent of soccer at all levels. Doing more than just talking. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jan 14, 2020 19:28:26 GMT -5
Who is Chris Kessel? What is his playing and coaching background? Honestly I don’t know. Is he more qualified than the vast majority of coaches he is critiquing? He stated he didn’t even attend.... From what I’ve seen. Most ECNL styles are similar to the style of play in most college programs. A mix. Possession some of the time. Compact defensive lines and more direct at others. ECNL does not dictate the style of play or emphasize one particular strategy over another. Eddie Johnson is welcome to his opinion. What is he doing these days? I think Kessel runs a local club in WVA and is on the state board. He talks mostly about trying to make club soccer more accessible/affordable. Just watched a girl play basketball and rip through everyone and dribble well with both hands and even behind her back at 9 years old. She also plays soccer. In both cases she is playing rec because academy soccer is too expensive and she is too young for elite basketball apparently. I have seen her play soccer and she has few skills but she is bold at trying what she does have and is athletic enough to get technical quickly if the coaching was there. It is a shame that a gifted athlete can't play at a high level due to cost. I did advise them to speak with the club and ask about scholarship programs. The club they would play at is also the cheapest one around that I am aware of. It is less than half what I am paying now, but it is still limiting who can play based on if they have the money to pay. |
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