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Post by honeybadger on Feb 20, 2020 11:31:07 GMT -5
I've heard a few here mention before about UFA getting DPL. If so, where do you think it would be run out of? Would the pecking order thus be:
1. DA
2. DPL
3. NPL/SCCL
4. SCCLP?
And if so, what would the most likely location be for each level?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 20, 2020 11:36:11 GMT -5
TPDL - we don't need expansion of DPL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
get rid of these made up leagues, we are ruining soccer in this country.
DPL at a club like UFA ain't needed, you have 42 teams in each age group to develop players!
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 20, 2020 12:11:56 GMT -5
TPDL - we don't need expansion of DPL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get rid of these made up leagues, we are ruining soccer in this country. DPL at a club like UFA ain't needed, you have 42 teams in each age group to develop players! Haha! 42 teams per age group! I am sure it sometimes seems like that, but the reality is very different. The number of teams continues to drop especially on the girls side. The 06 girls have 3 teams at Fowler. Only 3 teams at U14. Then 1 at Norcross. Compare that to a few years ago when there were regularly 5 teams at Fowler and 1-2 at Norcross. Even the little girls rarely have a second team at Norcross and often no more than 3 at Fowler. There is definitely less interest in club soccer than there used to be. I have seen fewer teams at Concorde and Tophat per age group at academy ages than when my oldest played academy. As for UFA and DPL...I hated the idea of DPL, but if NPL continues to decline as far as participation goes then make it an adjunct league again and go into DPL as the DA/DPL and ECNL/ECRL model that seems to be developing. I agree with you that it is getting crazy, but unless someone scraps the whole thing and starts over I don't know how to be support the players. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 20, 2020 12:29:19 GMT -5
I doubt UFA would run DPL and NPL concurrently. So they would likely put the Forsyth Premier team in that league.
DPL is expanding, like it or not.
ECRL is expanding, like it or not.
These will be competing leagues, which will also compete with USYS NL Regional conferences.
BUT AT LEAST THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PLAY EACH OTHER IN TOURNAMENTS! (Unlike another dumb league whose name I will not mention)
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Post by atv on Feb 20, 2020 13:15:17 GMT -5
The SCCL, while well very run, is on somewhat of an island nationally. If your top team is ECNL then ECNL Regional League should be the second team. The Southeast Conference is now the one big holdout from pretty much having all conferences in this system. Same thing for DPL if DA is the top at your club.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 20, 2020 13:47:00 GMT -5
I doubt UFA would run DPL and NPL concurrently. So they would likely put the Forsyth Premier team in that league. DPL is expanding, like it or not. ECRL is expanding, like it or not. These will be competing leagues, which will also compete with USYS NL Regional conferences. BUT AT LEAST THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PLAY EACH OTHER IN TOURNAMENTS! (Unlike another dumb league whose name I will not mention) True enough. Though at least they have lifted some of those restrictions. DA clubs play in Surf Cup and Disney (though very few). At least they can schedule friendlies now as well. Baby steps....😉 |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 20, 2020 13:57:41 GMT -5
UFA has already been informed that they have been granted DPL...
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Post by socceristhebest on Feb 20, 2020 14:03:52 GMT -5
It's all about the: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
More fake leagues for club to sell and hype. Bunch of BS.
Why are people buying into this garbage?
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 20, 2020 14:12:45 GMT -5
Because the clubs are selling it? So families are buying? All clubs want their 2nd teams to be in travel leagues. It helps recruit kids that would otherwise have to work for that kind of placement.  But in the end this will be a replacement league for NPL. How well can AFC and SSA sell even more travel? |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 20, 2020 14:37:39 GMT -5
It's all about the: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ More fake leagues for club to sell and hype. Bunch of BS. Why are people buying into this garbage? The me, me, me, social media world we live in, does not allow parents to accept the fact that SuzieQ and Jr just don't have what it takes. I don't blame the clubs or the DOCs who keep pushing the envelop in trying to find new creative ways to squeeze every last penny, dime, quarter and dollar out of us ignorant parents who live with that mindset. Then there are those who act like the Gestapo Cartels who go from club to club in ignorant bunches. Player X doesn't get their way so the parents and the other 5 good players threaten to figuratively take their ball and go somewhere else. I have always believed that in the environment we currently live in, each club should get only one "top team/league" like ECNL/DA period. We do not need a club to have 2, 3, 4, teams at every age group travelling and burning away college fund savings on hotels, air fare and rental cars. Sorry, I'll now step off of my soapbox, this multi league BS just irks me... |
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Post by 2316 on Feb 20, 2020 14:47:26 GMT -5
With UFA being told that they have a spot in DPL for the girls, what impact does that have on the boys? Will they be allowed to remain in NPL, especially at the older boys age group when you have the combined u16/17 and u18/19 boys DA groups. Or will they just compete in SCCL?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 20, 2020 14:47:32 GMT -5
It's all about the: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ More fake leagues for club to sell and hype. Bunch of BS. Why are people buying into this garbage? The me, me, me, social media world we live in, does not allow parents to accept the fact that SuzieQ and Jr just don't have what it takes. I don't blame the clubs or the DOCs who keep pushing the envelop in trying to find new creative ways to squeeze every last penny, dime, quarter and dollar out of us ignorant parents who live with that mindset. Then there are those who act like the Gestapo Cartels who go from club to club in ignorant bunches. Player X doesn't get their way so the parents and the other 5 good players threaten to figuratively take their ball and go somewhere else. I have always believed that in the environment we currently live in, each club should get only one "top team/league" like ECNL/DA period. We do not need a club to have 2, 3, 4, teams at every age group travelling and burning away college fund savings on hotels, air fare and rental cars. Sorry, I'll now step off of my soapbox, this multi league BS just irks me... You beat me to it..... I have some friends they said that is the beauty of a capitalism and America, but at some point a line needs to be drawn. There are bunch of very naive parents who are under the belief that the club has each players best interests in mind. You don't need a new "developmental" league except for the gap year in boys u16.... DA allows transitional players -- take advantage of it, train with the team during the week etc. oh, while I stole the soapboax, change the sub rules also. I think some people just validate there kid is good or on a good team based upon how far they travel to play games. Atlanta has one of the deepest player pools in the south, why the fudge are we not taking advantage of that with teams playing more local teams. and how does SSA not have ECNL or DA for girls yet, what is going on with that? (sorry -- needs to be a new thread) DPL = Da Pyramid don't Lie |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 20, 2020 15:18:29 GMT -5
I agree, if NL Piedmont never incorporates Florida, there's no reason NTH, CF, UFA, GSA, SSA, AFU, AFC, etc shouldn't have their 1st/2nd level teams in Athena A/GPL. But these new alphabets have help recruit players from the small clubs to the Big clubs. Hence the Big club's 2nd teams are generally stronger than many small clubs' top teams. Also, NL Piedmont should be an adjunct league like UEFA champions league.
It is kinda funny how the biggest 4 are trying to out-do one another off the field with status leagues.
"Alphabet Status Leagues"
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 20, 2020 17:01:43 GMT -5
The whole crazy alphabet soup started with ECNL and it was reasonably stable (though NPL existed and other regional leagues did too) until GDA came along. Then the US went crazy! Adding leagues everywhere! Changing the names and the regions and adding sub leagues. Notice that this is worse on the girls side.
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Post by socceristhebest on Feb 20, 2020 17:16:07 GMT -5
ECNL clearly filled a huge void -- But their exclusion tactics (at least ) locally didn't help anyone except for AFU/GSA/Concorde. If UFA, Tophat and SSA all had ecnl from early on, maybe we aren't down this nasty path of new year, new league, new acronym
UFA's DA girls teams aren't exactly killing it.......
(granted the oldest age group lost a lot of players over the years to tophat, concorde -- which is kind of the point, if they had ECNL back then, those girls probably stay...maybe not, but who knows....)
u15 - 6th place of 8 teams
u16 - 3rd place of 8 teams, and the flagship of the program
u17 - 8th of 8 teams, with zero wins in the current southeast division standings
u18 - 7th of 8 teams, 1 win in southeast division
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 20, 2020 17:17:36 GMT -5
Frankly it makes ZERO sense. A team could just as easily play in an in-state league and travel out of state once a month for a tournament (and get more games for the same $$$).
But at the same time, the promise of the alphabet made us leave the backwater club we were at for a larger club and its been a good experience (even though that backwater team is doing well...partially because 12 big club teams are no longer in A, B and C brackets). |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 20, 2020 17:23:08 GMT -5
ECNL clearly filled a huge void -- But their exclusion tactics (at least ) locally didn't help anyone except for AFU/GSA/Concorde. If UFA, Tophat and SSA all had ecnl from early on, maybe we aren't down this nasty path of new year, new league, new acronym UFA's DA girls teams aren't exactly killing it....... (granted the oldest age group lost a lot of players over the years to tophat, concorde -- which is kind of the point, if they had ECNL back then, those girls probably stay...maybe not, but who knows....) u15 - 6th place of 8 teams u16 - 3rd place of 8 teams, and the flagship of the program u17 - 8th of 8 teams, with zero wins in the current southeast division standings u18 - 7th of 8 teams, 1 win in southeast division I think you could argue that a lot of the best players migrate to the top 2 girls clubs in the state (NTH and Concorde) in a DA-style consolidation of talent...even though many are already in the same league at the club they're leaving. CF and NTH win the most, so players who are good enough want to go to these clubs and win (and have a better shot at being scouted).
If UFA, SSA, GSA and AFU didn't regularly lose talent to those 2 clubs, everything would definitely be more balanced.
Success breeds success.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 20, 2020 17:38:02 GMT -5
ECNL clearly filled a huge void -- But their exclusion tactics (at least ) locally didn't help anyone except for AFU/GSA/Concorde. If UFA, Tophat and SSA all had ecnl from early on, maybe we aren't down this nasty path of new year, new league, new acronym UFA's DA girls teams aren't exactly killing it....... (granted the oldest age group lost a lot of players over the years to tophat, concorde -- which is kind of the point, if they had ECNL back then, those girls probably stay...maybe not, but who knows....) u15 - 6th place of 8 teams u16 - 3rd place of 8 teams, and the flagship of the program u17 - 8th of 8 teams, with zero wins in the current southeast division standings u18 - 7th of 8 teams, 1 win in southeast division Success breeds success. UFA and AFU have lost players for years to Tophat and Concorde. GSA does well with gaining unhappy Tophat and Concorde players. U17 team at UFA is struggling in part because they lost kids to other clubs for years and last year lost kids because they were a split age group so are basically rebuilding it. U18/U19 team has had some surprising losses this year but have lost players to injury and have a few playing on YNT for other countries and missing games/trainings as a result. U16 is doing well thus far. U15's place is misleading as teams 3rd-6th are close with records 4-3-1, 3-3-2, 3-4-0, 3-4-1. There are not enough games in the books to really judge any DA teams in the southeast yet. The trend looks positive, but it will take time for UFA to rise up. It will basically need to be until all the little kids who started at the club when DA was already in existence grow up enough to play DA. Maybe it won't even come then. I have some concerns that there will be a decrease in quality due to lack of interest in sports in general. There are a lot.of kids that don't play sports anymore. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 20, 2020 18:10:44 GMT -5
DPL is going to be a lot of travel to ask for 2nd team parents IMO. They will now be at Tampa (IMG), Miami (Weston)/Miami (Palm Beach), Atlanta (NTH)/Forsyth (UFA), Charlotte (CSA), and Charleston (USA/MP). Good luck to those willing to undertake it.
Eventually this all has to fall apart at some point, right?
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Post by soccerloafer on Feb 20, 2020 18:39:45 GMT -5
DPL is going to be a lot of travel to ask for 2nd team parents IMO. They will now be at Tampa (IMG), Miami (Weston)/Miami (Palm Beach), Atlanta (NTH)/Forsyth (UFA), Charlotte (CSA), and Charleston (USA/MP). Good luck to those willing to undertake it. Eventually this all has to fall apart at some point, right? Charleston will be out in two years. Club is in free-fall. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 20, 2020 18:48:20 GMT -5
DPL is going to be a lot of travel to ask for 2nd team parents IMO. They will now be at Tampa (IMG), Miami (Weston)/Miami (Palm Beach), Atlanta (NTH)/Forsyth (UFA), Charlotte (CSA), and Charleston (USA/MP). Good luck to those willing to undertake it. Eventually this all has to fall apart at some point, right? According to the DPL website Pinecrest Premier is also in for the Southeast. They are in Kendall. Which makes 3 south Florida teams. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 20, 2020 19:04:25 GMT -5
Not seeing the Pinecrest club. At least that would make 2 trips to South Florida worthwhile (one Tampa-Miami weekend, but thats no different than ECNL).
Saw something on the SC soccer forum where USA/MP is in talks with Charleston Battery/Fleet SC. I understand that field space is at a premium there, but why is soccer failing so much in Charleston? People (kids and families) pulling away from the sport?
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Post by mistergrinch on Feb 20, 2020 19:29:34 GMT -5
Not seeing the Pinecrest club. At least that would make 2 trips to South Florida worthwhile (one Tampa-Miami weekend, but thats no different than ECNL). Saw something on the SC soccer forum where USA/MP is in talks with Charleston Battery/Fleet SC. I understand that field space is at a premium there, but why is soccer failing so much in Charleston? People (kids and families) pulling away from the sport? You realize that Tampa->Miami is 4-5hrs, right? |
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Post by putmeincoach on Feb 20, 2020 19:36:19 GMT -5
Not seeing the Pinecrest club. At least that would make 2 trips to South Florida worthwhile (one Tampa-Miami weekend, but thats no different than ECNL). Saw something on the SC soccer forum where USA/MP is in talks with Charleston Battery/Fleet SC. I understand that field space is at a premium there, but why is soccer failing so much in Charleston? People (kids and families) pulling away from the sport? You realize that Tampa->Miami is 4-5hrs, right? I heard West Fl Flames (lost GDA), the 2 Miami area teams (Weston and Palm Beach) along with IMG (do they have 2nd teams??) are coming in. Then Charleston and CSA along with Tophat and maybe UFA??. Seems more expensive than ECNL and much more travel for just ok soccer. Then throw in the Showcase events in TX and CA with no college coaches and you could easily be in for 10k plus for this. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 20, 2020 19:48:48 GMT -5
Not seeing the Pinecrest club. At least that would make 2 trips to South Florida worthwhile (one Tampa-Miami weekend, but thats no different than ECNL). Saw something on the SC soccer forum where USA/MP is in talks with Charleston Battery/Fleet SC. I understand that field space is at a premium there, but why is soccer failing so much in Charleston? People (kids and families) pulling away from the sport? When someone posted that CSA was in with IMG and Florida Rush a couple of weeks ago I went to the website for DPL and they had posted a pop up welcoming CSA, IMG and Pinecrest Premier. Florida Rush was not mentioned. Checked again today and there was nothing on there. Personally I don't think a Tampa-Miami weekend is a good deal. They should just do that on a holiday weekend and get PBG, Pinecrest Premier, and Weston in one swoop. Go to Tampa another time up and back. Wouldn't surprise me if they added another central Florida team (like the aforementioned Florida Rush). If the Florida Rush statement is real then there will be a Central Florida weekend. |
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Post by dadofthree on Feb 20, 2020 19:53:59 GMT -5
Florida Rush was listed on Charlottes website when they announced dpl.
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Post by dadofthree on Feb 20, 2020 20:53:16 GMT -5
You realize that Tampa->Miami is 4-5hrs, right? I heard West Fl Flames (lost GDA), the 2 Miami area teams (Weston and Palm Beach) along with IMG (do they have 2nd teams??) are coming in. Then Charleston and CSA along with Tophat and maybe UFA??. Seems more expensive than ECNL and much more travel for just ok soccer. Then throw in the Showcase events in TX and CA with no college coaches and you could easily be in for 10k plus for this. The Texas showcase actually did have some coaches. Considering it was a first time thing it wasnt too bad. Here is the link for the coaches that attended. events.gotsport.com/events/collegecoaches.aspx?EventID=74976 |
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Post by footyfan on Feb 21, 2020 7:15:32 GMT -5
Can someone run down the list of DPL clubs in the South/Southeast? (a) current 19-20 (b) proposed 20-21
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Post by footyfan on Feb 21, 2020 7:55:15 GMT -5
Can someone run down the list of DPL clubs in the South/Southeast? (a) current 19-20 (b) proposed 20-21 Is it (a) 1-PBG(Palm Beach Gardens,FL)-no GDA;no ECNL;no NPL 2-Tophat(Atlanta, GA)-has GDA;no NPL 3-USA/MP(Mt Pleasant, SC) no GDA;no ECNL;has NPL 4-Weston(Weston,FL)-has GDA; has NPL ?-*FC Virgina(Leesburg, VA)-has GDA;has NPL;DNP 2019/20 (b) 5-CSA (Charlotte, NC)-has GDA;has NPL 6-IMG(Bradenton,FL)- has GDA;has NPL 7-Unofficial:Florida Rush(Orlando,FL)-no GDA,no ECNL;no NPL 8-Unofficial:UFA(Atlanta,GA)-has GDA;has NPL 9-? ***updated with potential UFA and Florida Rush*** |
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Post by dadofthree on Feb 21, 2020 8:06:03 GMT -5
For Virginia from what I heard they are still in it that they didnt play because they didnt have a travel "buddy" after I think it was a team in Baltimore that either disolved or had problems.
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