We're Americans. Let's get back to it sooner than later

Look. They gave extreme numbers in the case that Shelter in Place wasn't enforced.

The fact that Shelter in Place has been enforced has allowed them to drop those numbers down b/c you have less folks interacting.

I'm not putting my child nor the rest of my family in harms way over some damn soccer. I'm dealing with this issue of "stay/get back on the course" with a soccer trip to Madrid that I wish they would just cancel ... there are things bigger than sports and this is coming from someone who LOVES sports of any kind ... I even watch curling for God's sake.

You may have missed my point. I'm talking about we need to get back to LIFE as normal. I only use soccer as the context because, well, this is a soccer based message board.

You are partially correct on the numbers; however, some of those experts predicting 2 million deaths were assuming we shutdown.

I have 12 and 14 year old girls myself and I'm not putting them in harm's way either. But I have never met a parent who kept their child home from soccer because 3 kids in their school got flu A or B, which has killed many thousands more in certain years than CV has so far.

My main point is , because this has been so negatively covered by the media (they have their motives), people are acting with irrational fear that they wouldn't be acting with if it was the same amount of deaths due to flu A.

The fact that we have flu vaccines but no CV vaccines is irrelevant to the point. It's the total dead that matters.

I'm sure there are parents who have kept their kids home because a couple kids in their school had flu I just have never personally heard of it on our teams. Heck, there have been times 2-3 on our TEAM had the flu. No one else stayed home from fear (and remember, not everyone gets their kids vaccinated for flu, so the vaccine is not necessarily the barometer in which we should use to decide).

Irrational fear will harm us more than going back to soccer in May.

Again, just my opinion, I'm not saying I'm right.

And I don't want anyone implying that I somehow don't care about kids, or that I care about soccer at any costs. 58,000 people die a year in car wrecks but 100% of the people on the message board have no problem with their kids being in a car-it's because we aren't given the CNN breaking news report every time every single person dies in a car.

I don’t mean to sound antagonistic but I am SO. TIRED. of the comparisons with the Flu (type A or B). It’s also pretty strange to compare a novel virus with no known vaccine to something (relatively) controllable and more violent as a car accident. You’ve shared several opinions, and I will too, but the fact of this matter is that there are NO fair comparisons for a situation like this. There is scientific data backing the severity and contagiousness of this virus, so comparisons to the flu, H1N1, et all is similar to comparing this year’s UCL Champion to the Manchester United team winning in 2008. Fun argument for sports fans, not responsible when discussing viral systems that attack human lives.

You point to “total deaths” as one of your key pieces of evidence for your plan to “get back to normal.” First off, maybe the previous “normal” isn’t necessarily what we actually need to get back to. That’s my opinion but not anything I’m using as evidence against your plan. Secondly, a HUGE reason why total deaths are at the point they are currently is due to shelter in place, social distancing, and personal care methods. “Getting back to normal” is something that needs to take place when it is scientifically proven that our healthcare system can handle it. Saying things along the line of “we must get back by beginning of May” and “I hope club leaders are reading this” seems moderately irresponsible, in my opinion. I am in daily contact with family and friends working in the healthcare system and I am absolutely still feeling very cautious based on their first hand accounts. When our nation is showing true, productive signs of progress toward allowing our healthcare workers relative safety instead of being overwhelmed, then we can discuss “needing to get back on the field.” Until that time, stay in your home environment or take walks around your community (responsibly). I surely don’t have the time to go back and look for your predictions on this matter but let’s use the April 20th prediction of when GA will “peak” for total cases. You’re telling me that less than 2 weeks later you want groups of 20-30 athletes swapping breaths, sweat, and personal space when it’s been proven this virus emanates from the body? I realize youth athletes are a low risk subset, but that doesn’t preclude their families, friends, classmates from catching the virus from them upon the conclusion of a Saturday game. That seems like a wild roll of the dice that could absolutely yield another huge wave of cases going into May and June, further weakening our already hard-working healthcare workers.

My passion for the game is a way of life just as it is for many of us on here but this circumstance is much bigger than our “American need” to have players, parents, referees, coaches, etc outside watching a youth soccer game right now. Cabin fever sucks but being responsible for our country’s youth, frontline healthcare workers, and grandma and grandpa is a lot more important. I’d like my mom and dad to be able to still be around when my children are old enough to play.

Part of the problem is that this topic was presented politically. The moment that anyone says things about the agendas or motives of the media or other groups that is a political statement right there. I hate to point that out, but it is true.

When you remove those comments from your original post then your opinions can be looked at apolitically.

I really want to get back to normal life! I want my kids playing soccer and going to school. I want them to see their friends nearly daily. I want their school instruction to be as it was. I don't want my kid's AP exam grades to be based on 2 questions and a 45 minute test. I am upset that she is missing out on a great training opportunity that she had this spring that COULD have catapulted her to where she wants to be soccer wise. BUT I understand this pandemic and how unpredictable it is. I think one of the most important points is why should we "Americans" treat this virus differently than the rest of the WORLD! Being American does not protect you from this virus. Having American healthcare does not mean we will save everyone salvageable. The US is just as vulnerable to this virus as Europe. The earlier you get a handle on it the better the countries do. To go back to regular life while the numbers are still so high is foolish! As much as I don't want to stay home all of the time, I am willing to do it so my kids can go to their summer camps and other things they had planned.

This is a huge country and there will be areas that I think can be normal earlier than others. Metro Atlanta will likely not be in the early category. The earlier you accept what needs to be done, the easier it will be for you to just look forward to the light at the end of the tunnel...

First off I'm not some deep state conspiracy person so don't assume stuff of me you don't have a clue about. You know what they say when you ass-u-me right?



Second off my point was that even if we did absolutely nothing we would have never reached that 2.2 million number. It would have never happened in any case staying open or not. It was a high point number with junk data going into a model and junk data coming out. I do believe that epidemiologists in general are always going to have bias toward pandemics versus any other issue. I do believe the data was fed to create a number that would turn heads and get the attention of the politicians to close things down. I'm not saying it was a nefarious thing. These people really do want to save lives, but they have tunnel vision of the risk/impact to only look at the virus and not the deaths and hurting people due to the global recession or depression that could happen if we do what I'm sure most of them want us to do which is keep it all closed through summer and open up for school by fall, but no sports, and then if a spike happens close it all up again. They think of only one thing. They do not take into account other things. There is an acceptable risk level. I think we have already gone overboard for the majority of people in this country with the stats I am seeing on hospitalization and deaths in younger working age folks.



You listen to the experts right? They have all said they believe that there will be a second wave in fall and winter. I didn't just pull that out of my ass. This is a coronavirus, and based on other coronaviruses they expect it to come back in a second wave in the cool months. They also fear it may mutate like a lot of other coronaviruses (some of which cause what we call the common cold, yes some common cold viruses are rhinoviruses, some are coronaviruses). So yes it can be with us for a while until the herd immunity to this particular strain is complete. The reason we don't see H1N1 and SARS is because of the places that got it badly herd immunity caused it to not find new sources to spread and it died out. That doesn't mean that at some point these will not rear their ugly head again in a mutation.



My point is that we need to treat this like any other coronavirus, rhinovirus, flu virus and get on with our lives. There is an acceptable amount of risk we should be able to take without our government holding our hand and telling us we can't do it.

I think people arguing that we need to hurry up and get back on with life... the shelter in place/isolation is killing more people than it is protecting... or COVID-19 is similar/the same/not as bad as the flu... sound like irresponsible idiots. Please stop. Stay at home and let the experts make the decisions that need to be made to save people's lives. You can be "inconvenienced" for a few more weeks.

1. I think the person means what I have said before. If we "stay at home" too much longer (say through May), our economy will be so destroyed you will have more deaths than would have resulted from the actual virus. You will have rampant crime in the bigger cities first as people starve and need things. Many bad things happen when civilizations break down. Cities burn, hospitals get more crowded.

2. Saying the media has an agenda was not bringing politics into in, because I never stated what their agenda was. But since its been brought up allow me: 90% of the doctors (Fauci and Birx included) that run these organizations are DC elites. They are bureaucrats. They want Trump to lose in November. 90% of the people at CNN, MSNBC, NPR, ABC, CBS, NYTimes want Trump to fail. 80% of the mayors of our largest cities want Trump to lose in November. Pelosi wants Trump to lose in November, as does Schumer and Schiff. If you don't think politics plays an angle in everything that goes on in DC, then you aren't being observant.

3. Again, I never said this is the flu, nor like the flu. My point there was that they both kill a certain segment of the population. Therefore, they CAN be discussed in the same context. Some have hinted that I may not care about life. I said the exact opposite: that it's just as bad when someone dies of the flu, or in a car, or whatever it may be.

4. people have taken my post and turned it into people calling other people idiots. The title of the post shows that I am just trying to be positive!

5. Out of curiosity, is Fauci the expert when he's telling us to shut down and stay shutdown? Or was Fauci the expert back in January who was downplaying CV19 while Trump was calling for a travel ban? Because he has said both.

6. As far as the deaths predicted. The only model where mitigation was not considered was the 2.2 million. The same model that predicted 500,000, 240,000, 93,000, then 80,000 and then finally 60,000 all used the same mitigation inputs that have been in place. And they have still been way off every single step along the way.

7. If anyone thinks I mean right this exact moment we run out and hug each other and share food in a buffet line, you missed my point. I'm just saying that I think in May we should be doing that. I think if we are shutdown as a country through may, none of the other things will matter because there won't be companies opened to employ you. There won't be any need to explain socialism in social studies classes to our youth, because they can simply look outside and see it for themselves because we will be full blown 100% Venezuela.

I'm just trying to stay positive and be upbeat. I'm a glass half-full type guy.

we agree to disagree and we will leave it at that.

Will be interesting to see what happens with Sweden as they’ve chosen to not lockdown...

www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-sweden-and-denmark-represent-opposite-scandinavian-covid-19-responses

As for us, right, wrong, or otherwise, I just don’t see large gatherings (50+) until there’s a vaccine. I wish I could be more optimistic about sports and other activities starting back up even by the fall, but it doesn’t seem likely (again, without a vaccine). And while we may not need a full on shelter in place in a month or so, the continued social distancing requirements will be devastating to businesses (our collective livelihood as we need jobs) across the board. It’s likely to be far, far more than a “few weeks of inconvenience.” 😥

I'm glad the Swedes are doing this. We need a society to compare and contrast and find out the best way of handling it is. Without this, we wouldn't know. They're testing the herd immunity theory with this virus in real time. Hopefully it ends up no worse than the lock-down method.

At least we have a sidebar thread to vomit into so it doesnt interrupt soccer threads.

This right here is correct, and it is a shame that no media outlet is even investigating or questioning this.  The same mitigation numbers were built into these models when it was predicted all those deaths except the 2.2 million number.  We can't see the data going in.  They don't give us that info.  I believe there was garbage data going in and garbage data going out, and only now that real data is being fed into it are the death, hospitalization, and ICU beds needed going down in these models.  The fact is these epidemiologist always think "doomsday", and I do believe some of the data going into the early models was purposely meant to scare people and politicians into shutting down the economy.  Now they are going back and revising these models with real-time data and not being called to the carpet for being so wrong with them to begin with again with all mitigation factors being baked in several iterations ago, and they congratulate us for making those numbers go down and that is bull crap because the mitigation was built in back when they predicted 500,000 deaths.  

There are hospitals with very few patients.   There are less people going to the hospital than they thought.  There are field hospitals either being shuttered due to no patients or have very few patients.  The truth we will find when it is all said and done is that we overreacted to this situation and it was mainly to do with very false models being given to us.  We have 17+ million people out of work due to this overreaction and there are people's livelyhoods being destroyed and people committing suicide at an alarming rate now.  One just happened in Newnan just last week and it was related to depression from all of this.

The fact is we take chances in every single thing we do. People die from various causes every day.  Its sad, but it happens.  This should have been treated like any other risk/benefit thing we do and left the economy open while protecting the vulnerable.    I think history will show that is what we should have done as well.