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Post by keepitreal on Apr 9, 2020 21:07:15 GMT -5
Does anyone know a 2008 Boys coach that cares more about player development than winning.
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Post by mistergrinch on Apr 9, 2020 21:11:22 GMT -5
Rafiq sabir.
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Post by ga3v3 on Apr 10, 2020 5:23:34 GMT -5
Juan Castellanos
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Post by blu on Apr 10, 2020 7:04:02 GMT -5
All coaches care about winning.
I assume you mean for next year U13? What part of town? What level are you looking for (DA, ECNL, SCCL)?
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Apr 10, 2020 7:30:01 GMT -5
By u13 I hope a good amount of development has already happened because it’s time to start winning games and getting exposure
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 10, 2020 9:00:47 GMT -5
By u13 I hope a good amount of development has already happened because it’s time to start winning games and getting exposure Especially for the boys there is no need for exposure at 12-13 years old. All coaches should care more about development at all youth ages than winning. It is nice to win, but they are kids and there to LEARN. Development does not stop at academy ages. Development should be happening at all ages. That includes continued work on technical (but less in training than at home at that age) and major work on tactical. Your opinion does not do you credit. Coaches should be teaching the whole time they are coaching and winning should be secondary...do enough winning to keep the kids and parents from getting depressed. Kids should be allowed to take risks to improve their skills. |
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Post by allthingsoccer on Apr 10, 2020 9:55:23 GMT -5
Trust me. It doesn't matter at U12/U13/U14
Use this time to develop technically and mentally. Exposure will come.
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Post by keepitreal on Apr 10, 2020 13:09:41 GMT -5
The part of town I am looking for is Atlanta Marrieta area. My son could probably make most DA clubs but I would rather him play for a club/team that works on development. For example he is a goalkeeper. If its about winning you boot the ball far let the the wings receive and score. That may win you a game but does not develop players. I am not concerned about exposure because that will happen later. Any thoughts on Concorde, NASA, Ssa. To clarify he is a 2008 and I am talking about fall 2020.
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Post by blu on Apr 10, 2020 14:04:14 GMT -5
Not many programs at the higher level (DA/ECNL) U13's punt the ball a lot. I've watched a ton of U13 ECNL and DA teams this year and I can tell you almost all of them work it out of the back the majority of the time.
I would think you should be looking at clubs with good goalkeeper programs and I would imagine most have it by now, although I know little about that area. Best of luck!
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Post by allthingsoccer on Apr 10, 2020 14:04:45 GMT -5
keepitreal, tough one. a lot of teams dont play from the back and understand your concern. I cant speak of non DA teams but the most i have seen do incorporate playing from the back. Son played for Concorde in the past. Great keeper coach. Felipe.
NASA has a solid program as well. UFA as well but not in that area you are looking for.
The main thing for your keeper is a solid keeper coach. also, work on foot skills. Not a huge amount of development for a keeper in games. The development comes from practice and games is to see what you learned. If your son/ daughter has great foot skills he/she will be able to adapt much fast as they get older.
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Post by datrain on Apr 10, 2020 14:39:30 GMT -5
Not many programs at the higher level (DA/ECNL) U13's punt the ball a lot. I've watched a ton of U13 ECNL and DA teams this year and I can tell you almost all of them work it out of the back the majority of the time. I would think you should be looking at clubs with good goalkeeper programs and I would imagine most have it by now, although I know little about that area. Best of luck! You almost never see the goalies at the top programs punt the ball to the wings (unless it is to relieve pressure). The common approach is build it out of the back or a quick restart / pinpoint throw to get the counter attack going before the defense sets up. I do know that Concorde lost one of their top 2008 keepers to an injury that may sideline him the entirety of next season. Great kid / excellent player.....unfortunate |
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Post by allthingsoccer on Apr 10, 2020 14:49:48 GMT -5
Agree.
Sorry to hear the news. Prayers to the boy and his family.
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 10, 2020 15:07:04 GMT -5
As a dad of a goalie I always get frustrated with the idea that punting is always bad. As part of their development they need to learn the game just like an outfielder does. When a team is high pressing go deep if they are giving you build from the back take it, and when its time to come out quick and throw it do it. A good coach (and most coaches do little for the goalies) will ask why did you punt or why did you play from the back and get them to understand when which is the right decision. The idea of distribution becomes a bigger and bigger deal as they get older and just like outfield players if they dont learn to read the game it becomes harder and harder as they get older.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 10, 2020 15:15:16 GMT -5
I dunno, but I'd speculate that maybe a good 30% of the time the keeper should get the ball forward (for quick counters and to relieve the pressure on the backs when they do play it out of the back).
Its like a team in American football that runs the ball 90% of the time, without a balanced passing game to keep the defense "honest", the defensive coordinator will stack 11 in the box and shut down the running game.
We saw it with the MNT in the Gold Cup (I believe), where opponents would play high press expecting Steffen would always pass the ball out of the back, leading to errors and quick goals for opponents.
Saw the same in my kid's ODP sub-regional, the very good North Carolina team just posted 3 forwards and the 10 on the top of the box, knowing the keeper would always play goal kicks wide. Punting and playing it long can turn into a positive numbers game if the opponent is trying to post up high and cherry pick the defense.
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 10, 2020 15:29:37 GMT -5
I agree with this. Its all about reading the game. The thing is it takes the whole team to understand some of it. As an example goalie comes flying out to make a quick counter and the outfield player is standing there and not making the same quick read the play blows up. I am a big propoent of making the opponent pay for the style they are playing. That goes for all phases of the game. Eisteins quote of doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity comes to mind when you get a coach who just says play it from the back at all cost.
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Post by keepitreal on Apr 10, 2020 15:54:30 GMT -5
How does Concorde Keeper program compares to NASA. Also has anyone had any experience with the current u13 da from Concorde and Nasa.
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Post by cobbsoccerm on Apr 11, 2020 1:19:53 GMT -5
For a 2008 boy in the Marietta area, definitely check out GA Alliance Cobb www.gafccobb.com. A small club that focuses 100% on player development. Amazing family atmosphere with top notch coaching at all levels (including Atlanta United’s Mark Bloom). Truly worth a look. |
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