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Post by footballer on Apr 14, 2020 21:28:23 GMT -5
Personally I have always thought the biggest Con for DA's existence was cost and Travel. If it is the highest level league and where supposedly world class players are developed, There should be incentives for the players and their families, otherwise its no different from the other leagues.
A lot of people on here are very knowledgeable about the nuances involved with the leagues. Hence,based on rumors spreading like wildfire, I am curious to know what your thoughts are in terms of pros and cons of eliminating DA specifically on BOYS side?
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Post by footballer on Apr 14, 2020 21:45:01 GMT -5
PRO: ODP, if funded and ran well could be relevant again and a very good way to make state organizations like ga soccer great again. Also another addition to aid in scouting efforts.
CON: Lesser opportunities to compete with MLS sides, except for friendlies.
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Post by footballer on Apr 14, 2020 23:11:40 GMT -5
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Post by soccerdad76 on Apr 14, 2020 23:15:56 GMT -5
PRO: can play middle school and high school soccer. Level of play in HS is debatable (please let’s not discuss the merits), but it’s fun.
CON: if least for younger ages, ECNL (presumed to be the new leader in the clubhouse) travel is worse than DA with multiple FL trips for regular season games. That could change if clubs that lose DA gain ECNL at some point soon and have more local regular season games.
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Post by areyousure on Apr 15, 2020 8:17:24 GMT -5
Pros: 4 days a week of training. Less expensive than both NPL and ECNL (we paid more for one season of both ecnl/NPL than a year of DA), 10 months of training. Full month off in December/January. Attractive recruiting status for college coaches
Cons: don’t really have one from our experience
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 15, 2020 8:25:14 GMT -5
Pros: 4 days a week of training. Less expensive than both NPL and ECNL (we paid more for one season of both ecnl/NPL than a year of DA), 10 months of training. Full month off in December/January. Attractive recruiting status for college coaches Cons: don’t really have one from our experience From my experience as well DA was cheaper than many alternatives at u12-u14 --- Not having to go to disney alone was a major Pro for DA Pro: no disney tournament at younger ages, travel as a team, so parents did not have to travel Cons: small clubs were never going to get accepted, high school situation, showcase in San Diego if you weren't in the playoffs, |
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Post by soccergurl on Apr 15, 2020 8:39:38 GMT -5
dis is good 4 the high school and player with no money bad for the club owner
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Post by footballer on Apr 15, 2020 8:46:22 GMT -5
Pros: 4 days a week of training. Less expensive than both NPL and ECNL (we paid more for one season of both ecnl/NPL than a year of DA), 10 months of training. Full month off in December/January. Attractive recruiting status for college coaches Cons: don’t really have one from our experience I may have written the question wrong, I was asking for the pros and cons for eliminating DA boys. You made a good point for benefits of having DA. Response still valid and appreciated. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 15, 2020 8:51:00 GMT -5
I think I did it backwards also......sorry
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Post by footballer on Apr 15, 2020 8:53:26 GMT -5
Pros: 4 days a week of training. Less expensive than both NPL and ECNL (we paid more for one season of both ecnl/NPL than a year of DA), 10 months of training. Full month off in December/January. Attractive recruiting status for college coaches Cons: don’t really have one from our experience From my experience as well DA was cheaper than many alternatives at u12-u14 --- Not having to go to disney alone was a major Pro for DA Pro: no disney tournament at younger ages, travel as a team, so parents did not have to travel Cons: small clubs were never going to get accepted, high school situation, showcase in San Diego if you weren't in the playoffs, Similar to areyousure, you probably misunderstood the question but you make some Valid points on u12-14 being cheaper than other leagues. Massive point for bringing up disney travel. Totally forgot about that. |
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Post by allthingsoccer on Apr 15, 2020 9:12:46 GMT -5
The very bad is it's going to take at least a couple of years if not longer to restructure. This will not be good for the boys side of things. You will have players scrambling to get on ECNL teams, clubs restructuring leagues etc.. So rising Juniors and Seniors I think will be most affected by this.
The good side will be a clean structure. (lets hope)
So whats the new structure?? We know the MLS Academies will get lots more eyeballs during this time.
How does this happen? How does a powerhouse in sports (USA) FAIL so bad in soccer?
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Post by areyousure on Apr 15, 2020 10:47:47 GMT -5
Yes read the question wrong..
Pro: DA players filling out current ECNL teams, or making a new team and hopefully better the competition. We have all seen ecnl teams that are not any better than SCCL or NPL teams
Con: turning the future of youth soccer over to the opposing organization seems crazy. Aren’t the leagues supposed to bring out the best players to be on future national teams and now they will have no input how to best discover talent (I’m not saying us club soccer can’t do that but it seems weird to relinquish power to a different organization).
-Lots of mayhem for current DA players who may or may not have a team anymore. Especially juniors who were hoping to be scouted this summer.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Apr 15, 2020 10:52:12 GMT -5
Isn’t it likely that MLS will chop to just U17 & U19, and expand RDS?
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Post by allthingsoccer on Apr 15, 2020 11:19:00 GMT -5
I think they will keep U15 as well.
Hard to tell. They have a solid U14.u13 base as well.
Who knows
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 15, 2020 12:25:07 GMT -5
I envisioned some mls only league where 1 weekend a month you host teams, and one weekend a month you travel.
the other 2 weekends are local scrimmages etc.
That's at a minimum of 8 travel trips, some as far as Cali, others to New York.
Obviously expensive but optimally limited to possibly 2 age groups.
I'd maybe have an mls only league where it is 3 age groups - 15s, and 17s travel like above.
then 19s play in some quasi usl/atl2 type league.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 15, 2020 12:35:51 GMT -5
Speaking strictly from an MLS/Pro perspective - I think they would keep the U15 if not just to give the current rising U15s a place to land. What about the current U15s, do they make a U16 division or stick with the U17s only? Or let's not forget about the current U13s, will there be a U14 league next year? Remember these are currently 12 year olds, and that could lead to a tremendous travel schedule for 12 and 13 years olds. Does the MLS continue with their annual Champions League style Generation Adidas Cup(GA Cup) competition that culminates in Atlanta for the U12s and Dallas for the U15s, U17s, U19s against other international clubs from Europe, Mexico and South America?
As of last week, DA was mandatory for all MLS clubs, but will there now be vacuums with no teams with clubs asking you to pay like DC United or do they abandon their Academy? if so, what does the modified MLS league look like or do they just merge forces with the USL clubs to form a real Pro-only league? Will there be pro/rel within both and who now runs the showcases and end of season tournaments and playoffs? What about High School, are you now allowed to play? If High School, then can you partake in the ODP process? So with that all said and done, will we be back here in a few months/years bizatching about how these MLS youth players are tops in league play(MLS only league), GA Cup(best scouts period), ODP, High School, ergo the mindset that unless you play for the MLS clubs you don't stand a chance of making the Nat'l Team or getting a full ride to play in college. Questions, Questions, Questions?
Buckle up, this is definitely going to be a maybe not so fun ride...
***p.s. Did I mention that the Vaunted USSF is still yet to give any communication to the affected clubs both MLS and non-MLS***
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Post by 2316 on Apr 15, 2020 12:50:11 GMT -5
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Post by 2316 on Apr 15, 2020 12:56:47 GMT -5
Sorry meant to add that these clubs all currently have full boys DA status
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 15, 2020 13:33:18 GMT -5
Yea, DC United and Orlando should drop their academies. focus on first team for a few years!
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Post by mistergrinch on Apr 15, 2020 15:35:01 GMT -5
Yea, DC United and Orlando should drop their academies. focus on first team for a few years! Orlando should also probably drop their top team for a few years. |
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Post by footyfan on Apr 15, 2020 16:44:11 GMT -5
Yea, DC United and Orlando should drop their academies. focus on first team for a few years! Orlando should also probably drop their top team for a few years. I understand the joke, but it's the other way around. They they need to focus on their youth setup first. In 5-8 years time they could have a palatable 1st team product. Have some local kids at a lower wage bill and then get some big names. |
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