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Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on Apr 18, 2020 16:43:23 GMT -5
TH is NOT getting ECNL
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Post by juice on Apr 18, 2020 17:39:38 GMT -5
No ECNL for Tophat. Confirmed
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 18, 2020 17:42:24 GMT -5
I think one thing we have all missed in this discussion is what is happening with the other DA clubs. There are 5 or 6 that picked up ECNL so after all is said and done there are 40 to 45 clubs. DPL/GAL has say 15 so there are say 25 to 30 still looking for a landing spot as well. If they join DPL/GAL you will probably have a pretty decent league. Now of course in major markets like here they will lose girls to ECNL and for TH it will potentially be a LOT of travel but it will still be at least a doable alternative to basically nothing.
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Post by crazzzy4soccer on Apr 18, 2020 18:14:59 GMT -5
No ECNL for Tophat. Confirmed Confirmed by whom? From what I heard the negations with ECNL are still ongoing with a decision to be made next week... |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 18, 2020 18:35:21 GMT -5
Sorry for not being clear:
What was the 2:00 announcement?
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Post by OTPSoccer on Apr 18, 2020 18:52:37 GMT -5
Can anyone close to NPL explain what they've been doing this past week? ECNL pre-ordered the embalming fluid, and DPL rushed in with a few pallbearers. NPL must have gone on a week long snipe hunt. I'm scratching my head.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 18, 2020 19:08:57 GMT -5
I think the NPL are disparate leagues under the NPL umbrella. There's no centralization of leadership. So South Atlantic NPL could have approached NTH, who likely would have looked down their noses at such an offer.
No tears for Tophat, they're in a place of their own making. They'll be fine, tryouts will be nuts again.
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Post by BubbleDad on Apr 18, 2020 19:39:33 GMT -5
I think the NPL are disparate leagues under the NPL umbrella. There's no centralization of leadership. So South Atlantic NPL could have approached NTH, who likely would have looked down their noses at such an offer. No tears for Tophat, they're in a place of their own making. They'll be fine, tryouts will be nuts again. My daughter lost A LOT of her U13 Athena NTH teammates to clubs that offered NL and NPL. I'll admit ... we're too lazy to club hop. The goal is to be the best she can be on whatever team she lands in and pray for a good coach. It's a mixed bag when it comes to coaching at NTH below the top 2 to 3 teams, but we're pleased this year. As a rising U15G, we just want a coach that will take them to decent showcases like Disney, Jefferson Cup, Raleigh and so on. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Apr 18, 2020 19:41:54 GMT -5
So what’s the summary from the news? DPL over ecnl No ECNL is obviously better. Just saying there were DPL who would have played with anyone. Take the 01 02 TH they had 7 or 8 D1 commits to top schools including Davidson and Georgia. Now they were the ECNL team from the year before but anyone who played them had to lace up their shoes tight as they were going to have a game. I will point out that the 01/02 TH DPL beat a number of ECNL teams and a DA team in tournament play. Only loss, in all competition, was a 2-1 loss to a good DA team. Can't speak for the rest of the ages, but that team was legit, even if it was DPL... |
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 18, 2020 20:07:08 GMT -5
The 03 team was pretty good as well. They have 4 or 5 girls that will play D1 if they want too. They took a little more time to gel since they were more of a "new" team and lost 3 or 4 games but by then end of the season they could play at least with the mid level ECNL teams and actually beat one or two in tournaments.
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Post by atlfooty on Apr 18, 2020 21:36:27 GMT -5
No ECNL is obviously better. Just saying there were DPL who would have played with anyone. Take the 01 02 TH they had 7 or 8 D1 commits to top schools including Davidson and Georgia. Now they were the ECNL team from the year before but anyone who played them had to lace up their shoes tight as they were going to have a game. I will point out that the 01/02 TH DPL beat a number of ECNL teams and a DA team in tournament play. Only loss, in all competition, was a 2-1 loss to a good DA team. Can't speak for the rest of the ages, but that team was legit, even if it was DPL... 06 Tophat DPL really competitive as well. |
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Post by ultimatedad on Apr 19, 2020 3:26:05 GMT -5
Ecnl should just add a couple more teams in Georgia so they can call it Elite Athena A League. We have almost come full circle. DPL can be the new ECNL.
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Post by rifle on Apr 19, 2020 10:05:33 GMT -5
Ecnl should just add a couple more teams in Georgia so they can call it Elite Athena A League. We have almost come full circle. DPL can be the new ECNL. Crazy but true... |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 19, 2020 17:27:48 GMT -5
So as we closeout the TH Decision 2020 Watch 👀👀 I am curious as to how the whole DPL thing will work. I am laden with a myriad of questions:
What are the real prospects for the future with NTH and ECNL? Is this just a temporary thing where we don't let you into the party right away or hey kick rocks, never going to happen? If not what are the long term goals for building the DPL\GAL? So how many teams will be in the new Girls Academy League(GAL)? With the newcomers, how many and how does that align for the Southeast, West and Frontier? Will it be a home n away set or a home n away with cross conference games or showcases? How many showcases per year and do they rotate or are they in fixed locations? Specifically to the Southeast and NTH, currently there are 4 teams total, how many more will be added tot he Southeast? If not they only get 6 games(home n away), do they play other games other than showcases? This year, many of the non-DA teams at NTH primarily participated in internal scrimmages, is that the goal again this year or will NTH be able to find local scrimmages against other clubs? Are prices going to reflect the reduction in regular season games and the increase in travel? Finally, what are the plans for girls who are not considered to be on Gold 1, maybe Gold 2... SCCL?
These are the opening questions I would have for NTH and their leadership before we think of re-signing, staying or leaving...
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Post by coffee on Apr 19, 2020 17:52:16 GMT -5
I guess I missed it... I still haven't seen anything more than hunches, wishes, and second-hand rumors about what will happen with Tophat's top 2 teams. Does anyone have any official statements, or first-hand knowledge?
I mean there are a lot of possibilities: - ECNL may plan to accept NTH, but first is going to make a point by making NTH sweat. - ECNL may plan to accept NTH, but wants some kind of concessions from NTH. - ECNL may plan to accept NTH, but NTH may be wanting too many teams. Eventually NTH may cave on that. - Perhaps NTH is exploring all other options before accepting that they will have to retract some statements that were made. Recall that TG is in the DPL leadership group and may be trying to see how many former DA clubs will sign on to GAL. - ECNL may be willing to accept NTH back, but perhaps NTH is reluctant to quit DPL. Again, recall that TG is in the DPL leadership group. - Etc, etc... Do we absolutely know that NTH won't be accepted back in to ECNL for the next season? |
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Post by fridge on Apr 19, 2020 19:16:56 GMT -5
I guess I missed it... I still haven't seen anything more than hunches, wishes, and second-hand rumors about what will happen with Tophat's top 2 teams. Does anyone have any official statements, or first-hand knowledge?
I mean there are a lot of possibilities: - ECNL may plan to accept NTH, but first is going to make a point by making NTH sweat. - ECNL may plan to accept NTH, but wants some kind of concessions from NTH. - ECNL may plan to accept NTH, but NTH may be wanting too many teams. Eventually NTH may cave on that. - Perhaps NTH is exploring all other options before accepting that they will have to retract some statements that were made. Recall that TG is in the DPL leadership group and may be trying to see how many former DA clubs will sign on to GAL. - ECNL may be willing to accept NTH back, but perhaps NTH is reluctant to quit DPL. Again, recall that TG is in the DPL leadership group. - Etc, etc... Do we absolutely know that NTH won't be accepted back in to ECNL for the next season? I applaude your optimism. You can't actually think there are a lot of other options for TH in the ECNL discussion? In the last 60 days, 4 nationally acclaimed clubs went All-In ECNL. When DA folded, ECNL announced a few powerhouse Cali clubs had joined ECNL. A few days later, a SE powerhouse CSA snuck in. I am not accusing you of TH hubris, but TH has NO leverage against ECNL. The SE is set. The ECNL doesn't need TH to be ligit any more--that ship has sailed. TH is not negotiating to try and get two teams in to ECNL. It is not trying to leverage that it will only do ECNL if it can also keep DPL. Bottom line, it has been left out of ECNL. Maybe it is still "trying" but there is no negotiation going on beyond TH begging. Maybe that will work but I truly doubt it. Although I have no idea what is going on in the inside, I do know this. When ECNL was at a tipping point of fighting for legitimacy 2 year ago, CF, Michigan Hawks and PDA went all in. ECNL was so desperate for legitimacy, it gave each of these "savior" clubs two teams. These 3 clubs' commitment to ECNL likely saved it and at the very least, made it a legitimate counter to DA as opposed to a 2nd tier league. Meanwhile, AFU and GSA were loyal to ECNL throughout the DA period. To the contrary, TH had two chances to go all-in but chose DA both times. (I am not saying it was the wrong call.) So, with this perspective and context, do you think ECNL is going to add a 6th team to SE and directly contrary to these faithful club's interests? And again, be mindful of the D'bag move TH made when it preempted CF and announced TH was the only club in Ga with ECNL and DA. There is no one in Ga interested in doing TH any favors and so, ECNL is not in a position to help TH. In sum, while it sucks for the TH girls. Like many of them have done already in their careers, they can switch clubs if they want to play ECNL. On the other hand if the TH moniker is that important, they can stay. Whatever league they will be in will have some solid clubs. |
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Post by coffee on Apr 19, 2020 20:49:10 GMT -5
Hubris? Nah.
Hopeful thinking? Probably more of this.
Regardless, my kid isn’t at the point where the outcome directly affects her . . . yet. Maybe one day it’ll be a concern if her interest doesn’t wane like it seems to have for some others as they approach high school age.
Me? I’m trying to look down the road for her.
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Post by shaka on Apr 19, 2020 21:19:11 GMT -5
I guess I missed it... I still haven't seen anything more than hunches, wishes, and second-hand rumors about what will happen with Tophat's top 2 teams. Does anyone have any official statements, or first-hand knowledge?
I mean there are a lot of possibilities: - ECNL may plan to accept NTH, but first is going to make a point by making NTH sweat. - ECNL may plan to accept NTH, but wants some kind of concessions from NTH. - ECNL may plan to accept NTH, but NTH may be wanting too many teams. Eventually NTH may cave on that. - Perhaps NTH is exploring all other options before accepting that they will have to retract some statements that were made. Recall that TG is in the DPL leadership group and may be trying to see how many former DA clubs will sign on to GAL. - ECNL may be willing to accept NTH back, but perhaps NTH is reluctant to quit DPL. Again, recall that TG is in the DPL leadership group. - Etc, etc... Do we absolutely know that NTH won't be accepted back in to ECNL for the next season? I applaude your optimism. You can't actually think there are a lot of other options for TH in the ECNL discussion? In the last 60 days, 4 nationally acclaimed clubs went All-In ECNL. When DA folded, ECNL announced a few powerhouse Cali clubs had joined ECNL. A few days later, a SE powerhouse CSA snuck in. I am not accusing you of TH hubris, but TH has NO leverage against ECNL. The SE is set. The ECNL doesn't need TH to be ligit any more--that ship has sailed. TH is not negotiating to try and get two teams in to ECNL. It is not trying to leverage that it will only do ECNL if it can also keep DPL. Bottom line, it has been left out of ECNL. Maybe it is still "trying" but there is no negotiation going on beyond TH begging. Maybe that will work but I truly doubt it. Although I have no idea what is going on in the inside, I do know this. When ECNL was at a tipping point of fighting for legitimacy 2 year ago, CF, Michigan Hawks and PDA went all in. ECNL was so desperate for legitimacy, it gave each of these "savior" clubs two teams. These 3 clubs' commitment to ECNL likely saved it and at the very least, made it a legitimate counter to DA as opposed to a 2nd tier league. Meanwhile, AFU and GSA were loyal to ECNL throughout the DA period. To the contrary, TH had two chances to go all-in but chose DA both times. (I am not saying it was the wrong call.) So, with this perspective and context, do you think ECNL is going to add a 6th team to SE and directly contrary to these faithful club's interests? And again, be mindful of the D'bag move TH made when it preempted CF and announced TH was the only club in Ga with ECNL and DA. There is no one in Ga interested in doing TH any favors and so, ECNL is not in a position to help TH. In sum, while it sucks for the TH girls. Like many of them have done already in their careers, they can switch clubs if they want to play ECNL. On the other hand if the TH moniker is that important, they can stay. Whatever league they will be in will have some solid clubs. "TH is not negotiating to try and get two teams in to ECNL. It is not trying to leverage that it will only do ECNL if it can also keep DPL. Bottom line, it has been left out of ECNL. Maybe it is still "trying" but there is no negotiation going on beyond TH begging. Maybe that will work but I truly doubt it. Although I have no idea what is going on in the inside, I do know this." Fridge provides a lot of good info which makes it hard to bet that NTH will be ECNL. However, this is the main takeaway: "Although I have no idea what is going on in the inside" The DA teams were told they would get information this upcoming week regarding ecnl outcome. How about we hold off making declarations until actual facts come out on what's happening? |
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