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Post by nerazzurri on Apr 18, 2020 20:53:21 GMT -5
Who will be on top of the girls side or benefit the most from nth falling out of top league?
Concorde? GSA? UFA? SSA?
Also how do norcross feel being in the same boat deeper water? Seems like Forsyth made a good call but still no big benefit for norcross. They will just keep losing players with clubs around them offering better
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Post by honeybadger on Apr 19, 2020 12:54:55 GMT -5
Good question . As a parent of a Norcross sccl player , I have no clue how it’s going to work out.
I think the name ECRL has more pulling than the name SCCL, though the leagues would maybe be similar in quality depending on the club.
But iI do think the “fair” thing to do for the overall depth of the club is to have 1st team (ecnl) at Fowler; 2nd team (ecrl) at Norcross; 3rd team SCCL-1 at Fowler ; 4th team SCCL-P at Fowler , etc.
If not , dozens will leave Norcross
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Post by Keeper on Apr 19, 2020 13:29:35 GMT -5
Good question . As a parent of a Norcross sccl player , I have no clue how it’s going to work out. I think the name ECRL has more pulling than the name SCCL, though the leagues would maybe be similar in quality depending on the club. But iI do think the “fair” thing to do for the overall depth of the club is to have 1st team (ecnl) at Fowler; 2nd team (ecrl) at Norcross; 3rd team SCCL-1 at Fowler ; 4th team SCCL-P at Fowler , etc. If not , dozens will leave Norcross Wonder what’s going to happen when Ufa Lawrenceville, South Georgia and/or Mountain get a group that wants one of those SCCL/ECRL/NPL or what ever alphabet soup league is new. I know Ufa South Georgia has had some decent Classic 1 / Athena A teams which would be quite comparable to some of the SCCL-C / SCCL-P especially since they’d be the only club in the that tri-state area to offer something like that. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 19, 2020 16:32:25 GMT -5
Stating my opinion first on an issue - tophat should be allowed back in ecnl, it’s about the kids not the directors. But - to answer the question 1) Concorde will pick up players 2) by now being on a level playing field as the rest of the city - UFA will retain more top talent If I ran a mega club - I’d set up a center of excellence home base as discussed by Futsal GawdessBut at least 1 training a week would be at the alternate location site. Yes logistically this is a challenge - |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 19, 2020 16:47:06 GMT -5
Good question . As a parent of a Norcross sccl player , I have no clue how it’s going to work out. I think the name ECRL has more pulling than the name SCCL, though the leagues would maybe be similar in quality depending on the club. But iI do think the “fair” thing to do for the overall depth of the club is to have 1st team (ecnl) at Fowler; 2nd team (ecrl) at Norcross; 3rd team SCCL-1 at Fowler ; 4th team SCCL-P at Fowler , etc. If not , dozens will leave Norcross Honestly, I don't see anything changing for UFA. When you think about it, all that really occurred was UFA replacing ECNL for DA/GDA for both the Boys n Girls. One might see the slow eroding of Norcross as more of the top SCCL teams get moved up to Fowler. As far as we know, they have not added any other alphabet league into the mix, sooooo, business as usual... |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 19, 2020 16:59:36 GMT -5
Good question . As a parent of a Norcross sccl player , I have no clue how it’s going to work out. I think the name ECRL has more pulling than the name SCCL, though the leagues would maybe be similar in quality depending on the club. But iI do think the “fair” thing to do for the overall depth of the club is to have 1st team (ecnl) at Fowler; 2nd team (ecrl) at Norcross; 3rd team SCCL-1 at Fowler ; 4th team SCCL-P at Fowler , etc. If not , dozens will leave Norcross If that happened there would be a lot of kids leaving Fowler. Many of the second team kids go play soccer in college. They would not want to be on a team that was considered an obvious 3rd team (which would be what it is if they have ECRL at Norcross). I also agree with FG that they would not do that and that it is a nonissue at the moment since nothing else has changed. |
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Post by lsagoalie on Apr 19, 2020 17:08:54 GMT -5
There should be some really top quality 1st and 2nd teams strengthened throughout the metro Atlanta next year. Tophat will be back but they will probably need to regroup for 1-2 years, tough for anyone to lose their top league option.
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 19, 2020 17:11:32 GMT -5
I think all will remain the same on the girls side... just different names
GDA=ECNL
NPL=ECRL
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 19, 2020 17:16:51 GMT -5
IF the NTH director made disparaging remarks about ECNL that was known to ECNL, there was probably a way the club could have put their players first and gotten ECNL back...
which is the same thing college football/basketball programs do when the NCAA finds impropriety within the program.
I'm just saying that if it's all about the kids, the club president/board/families/whatever of NTH could have tried to bargain with ECNL. For a public apology if nothing else.
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 19, 2020 17:20:34 GMT -5
IF the NTH director made disparaging remarks about ECNL that was known to ECNL, there was probably a way the club could have put their players first and gotten ECNL back... which is the same thing college football/basketball programs do when the NCAA finds impropriety within the program. I'm just saying that if it's all about the kids, the club president/board/families/whatever of NTH could have tried to bargain with ECNL. For a public apology if nothing else. There's no IF, he did. Hes not very well liked, his arrogance has caught up to him. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 19, 2020 17:31:54 GMT -5
Sadly, this is true. Like many have said on this forum, the club and girls should not be brought to atone for his actions. It says a lot that he was an ECNL Board Director as recently I think as last year and was not given a heads up or a pathway to regain ECNL. Funny enough, he is again on the board for DPL so....
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 19, 2020 17:38:32 GMT -5
I think all will remain the same on the girls side... just different names GDA=ECNL NPL=ECRL Has ECRL been confirmed for our region in the Southeast yet? |
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Post by footyfan on Apr 19, 2020 18:12:38 GMT -5
Sadly, this is true. Like many have said on this forum, the club and girls should not be brought to atone for his actions. It says a lot that he was an ECNL Board Director as recently I think as last year and was not given a heads up or a pathway to regain ECNL. Funny enough, he is again on the board for DPL so.... Who is on the board of DPL? |
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Post by footyfan on Apr 19, 2020 18:19:18 GMT -5
I think all will remain the same on the girls side... just different names GDA=ECNL NPL=ECRL Has ECRL been confirmed for our region in the Southeast yet? So of the club-based leagues, Is it: 1.SE ECNL 2.GAL Floridish 3.ECRL(TBD) 4.South Atlantic NPL 5.DPL Floridish |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 19, 2020 18:57:37 GMT -5
I think all will remain the same on the girls side... just different names GDA=ECNL NPL=ECRL NPL=SCCL There is no ECRL this year, and don't know if there will be one next year as there have been no talks about that yet... |
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 19, 2020 19:10:29 GMT -5
I think all will remain the same on the girls side... just different names GDA=ECNL NPL=ECRL NPL=SCCL There is no ECRL this year, and don't know if there will be one next year as there have been no talks about that yet... I agree that NPL is about like SCCL and now might be below it. It is blowing up with several of the clubs going ercl in the carolinas. Not knowing anything but it wouldnt be a suprise to see UFA compete in the Carolina ERCL and travel a bunch since it will be loads better than NPL. |
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Post by mistercalcio on Apr 19, 2020 19:44:57 GMT -5
IF the NTH director made disparaging remarks about ECNL that was known to ECNL, there was probably a way the club could have put their players first and gotten ECNL back... which is the same thing college football/basketball programs do when the NCAA finds impropriety within the program. I'm just saying that if it's all about the kids, the club president/board/families/whatever of NTH could have tried to bargain with ECNL. For a public apology if nothing else. There's no IF, he did. Hes not very well liked, his arrogance has caught up to him. I apologize for my ignorance (trying to catch up on the last few days’ events and haven’t fully absorbed it all yet) but the TG being referenced here is someone with the same first name as a small college in Alabama, correct? Trying to stay within guidelines of not using full names in a negative light here but have had experience with another TG who is at NASA over the years and some of what has been said could describe him as well... just trying to clear things up for myself. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 19, 2020 19:47:09 GMT -5
There's no IF, he did. Hes not very well liked, his arrogance has caught up to him. I apologize for my ignorance (trying to catch up on the last few days’ events and haven’t fully absorbed it all yet) but the TG being referenced here is someone with the same first name as a small college in Alabama, correct? Trying to stay within guidelines of not using full names in a negative light here but have had experience with another TG who is at NASA over the years and some of what has been said could describe him as well... just trying to clear things up for myself. Troy Gardner We only don't use kids names on here |
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Post by mistercalcio on Apr 19, 2020 19:53:25 GMT -5
Thank you, SoccerMom!
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Post by footyfan on Apr 19, 2020 20:05:29 GMT -5
Has ECRL been confirmed for our region in the Southeast yet? So of the club-based leagues, Is it: 1.SE ECNL 2.GAL Floridish 3.ECRL(TBD) 4.South Atlantic NPL 5.DPL Floridish Ok, so of the club-based leagues, Is it: 1.SE ECNL 2.GAL Floridish 3.ECRL(if/when it comes in 2021) T4.South Atlantic NPL T4.SCCL-1 6.DPL Floridish 7+.SCCL-P and lower |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 19, 2020 20:07:35 GMT -5
Most importantly, hopefully all the local clubs top teams will play each other in tournaments.
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 19, 2020 20:26:29 GMT -5
So of the club-based leagues, Is it: 1.SE ECNL 2.GAL Floridish 3.ECRL(TBD) 4.South Atlantic NPL 5.DPL Floridish Ok, so of the club-based leagues, Is it: 1.SE ECNL 2.GAL Floridish 3.ECRL(if/when it comes in 2021) T4.South Atlantic NPL T4.SCCL-1 6.DPL Floridish 7+.SCCL-P and lower You have DPL too low. While there is a lot of travel it was this year right behind ECNL as I have stated on other threads some of the teams that are there were really good and the clubs are top notch as a whole. The thing saying DPL and GAL is Florida sentric is kinda disingenious since the Southeast GDA had 6 FL teams and 2 GA teams. The two GA GDA teams were on the road a bunch. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 19, 2020 20:36:20 GMT -5
Stupid question - but there was a reason tophat and NASA merged,
Is that good ole merger in jeopardy?
Should NASA just go back to being NASA and apply for girls ecnl?
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Post by Keeper on Apr 19, 2020 21:49:05 GMT -5
Stupid question - but there was a reason tophat and NASA merged, Is that good ole merger in jeopardy? Should NASA just go back to being NASA and apply for girls ecnl? Tophat merged because Cy wanted to retire and give up a lot of the club responsibilities. His family still have the TH field and Rec program though so maybe they put an out clause into the merger as well. If they do and pull out in the next year or so it could nearly ruin the NASA girls program. |
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Post by footyfan on Apr 20, 2020 7:10:13 GMT -5
Ok, so of the club-based leagues, Is it: 1.SE ECNL 2.GAL Floridish 3.ECRL(if/when it comes in 2021) T4.South Atlantic NPL T4.SCCL-1 6.DPL Floridish 7+.SCCL-P and lower You have DPL too low. While there is a lot of travel it was this year right behind ECNL as I have stated on other threads some of the teams that are there were really good and the clubs are top notch as a whole. The thing saying DPL and GAL is Florida sentric is kinda disingenious since the Southeast GDA had 6 FL teams and 2 GA teams. The two GA GDA teams were on the road a bunch. Ok, so of the club-based leagues, Is it: 1.SE ECNL 2.SE GAL 3.ECRL(if/when it comes in 2021) T4.SE DPL T4.South Atlantic NPL 6.SCCL-1 7+.SCCL-P and lower |
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 20, 2020 7:31:22 GMT -5
I agree with this.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Apr 20, 2020 9:22:46 GMT -5
I'm not sure why ECRL keeps getting mentioned separately. In my opinion the league already exists and is called SCCL. I don't see a new ECRL league being formed and all the SCCL clubs sending their second team there when they already have that league and can control it.
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Post by mistergrinch on Apr 20, 2020 9:35:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure why ECRL keeps getting mentioned separately. In my opinion the league already exists and is called SCCL. I don't see a new ECRL league being formed and all the SCCL clubs sending their second team there when they already have that league and can control it. SCCL could be that, but it's currently not. Too many clubs 3rd teams are SCCL. This may change since NPL seems to be going back to being an adjunct league and DPL is... who knows what, exactly. |
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Post by footyfan on Apr 20, 2020 10:11:04 GMT -5
I'm not sure why ECRL keeps getting mentioned separately. In my opinion the league already exists and is called SCCL. I don't see a new ECRL league being formed and all the SCCL clubs sending their second team there when they already have that league and can control it. ECRL is under the ECNL umbrella, totally seperate from SCCL. Dont confuse the fact that they are both sanctioned by US Club Soccer with anything else. They have *nothing* to do with each other. ECRL serves two purposes: 1)to present a pathway for clubs to prove ability to join ECNL(merit-based promotion to ECNL) and 2) to provide a better level of competition, under the ECNL umbrella, for those clubs already in ECNL. The purpose of SCCL, as I understand it, is to have an alternative to GA Soccer to 1) be run by big five b) to exclude clubs so logistics is easier. Given those aims, it is a success, even if communications (e.g. think tournaments) leave something to be desired. If you are also saying that you *want* SCCL to allow a pathway to the best run, club-based, girls league in the country, then I agree that you should want that. It is not that. |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 20, 2020 10:27:40 GMT -5
You have DPL too low. While there is a lot of travel it was this year right behind ECNL as I have stated on other threads some of the teams that are there were really good and the clubs are top notch as a whole. The thing saying DPL and GAL is Florida sentric is kinda disingenious since the Southeast GDA had 6 FL teams and 2 GA teams. The two GA GDA teams were on the road a bunch. Ok, so of the club-based leagues, Is it: 1.SE ECNL 2.SE GAL 3.ECRL(if/when it comes in 2021) T4.SE DPL T4.South Atlantic NPL 6.SCCL-1 7+.SCCL-P and lower So we are already to the point of validating the superiority of one league over another again? That didn't take long. This... right here is why we have such a problem with youth soccer. I'm sure the DPL will have some good teams in it that would be just as good as ECNL. Just as there are probably some SCCL teams that are at a level that they would be competitive in either ECNL or DPL also. Maybe we should stop placing one league above another so people can validate their worth and look down on others. I've been guilty of this too and have realized that each league has stronger teams and weaker teams that could be moved up or down... Sort of a Pro/Rel type of deal (shocker). But being locked into these "elite" leagues sort of causes all of us to fight with each other, rather than complain about the system itself. |
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