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Post by reinalocura on Apr 21, 2020 19:27:22 GMT -5
I explained this in another post but the 2.2 trillion stimulus law also allows 1099 contract employees to file for unemployment which has never happened in the past. It also gets them that extra $600 in unemployment that usually doesn't happen either. Laying them off helps the coaches get that money and I think they get it even if they had gotten paid all their money already though, I know for SSA more get it in distributions throughout the year not all at once in the fall. I think it is a win-win for the club and the coach for the time being. I still think all the good coaches will eventually be retained and given a new contract once fall starts again. No one has been released, the clubs all applied for the PPP, 3 clubs got funds but were told that only w2 employees included. Most coaches if not all are 1099. Coaches have been told to apply as a precaution, no one wants them to be with no $$. For some of these coaches, this is their only job and they can't even supplement with extra training. At least if they get unemployment they can get something to get them buy until fields reopen. It's a bad situation all around My husband runs a small business with about 10 employees. When applying for the loan from this new legislation, they were told by their loan officer (from the SBA) that 1099 employees could not be included in their calculations for the assistance provided by the benefits from these loans. They did have a couple of 1099 employees that they ended up having to let go so they could file unemployment (as slickdaddy96 said) |
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Post by soccerloafer on Apr 21, 2020 19:42:07 GMT -5
I agree that they should pay the coaches with the fees that they are not refunding (which I'm totally ok with) but maybe it is being done by design because if they get laid off now, they actually get paid more in unemployment funds for 14 weeks during the coronavirus which would take them through the end of July. If they get laid off once the bans are lifted, they only get the normal wage which is pretty low. Just thinking out loud  While I appreciate your optimism, my experience from EVERY SINGLE employer during this pandemic, is to screw your employees and take federal benefits to increase the company's own profits. Call me a pessimist, but this seems like a complete screw of coaches. I'm an employer and I didn't stop paying my employees, even when they were limited to working from home and not doing much. And yes, I received funding from the government (after jumping through flaming hoops blindfolded) and am using it for what it was designed. |
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Post by Keeper on Apr 21, 2020 22:18:30 GMT -5
Sadly, this is not some attempt at usurping the system and trying to make sure these coaches are made as whole as possible. IMO this is straight up mismanagement. If the pandemic had not occurred what would they have done, get a loan on next seasons' fees and dues to pay the coaches? Keep in mind, they are not paying for the field rentals, the maintenance of the fields, regular club operation expenses like water, ice, sports drinks, meetings with donuts and other snacks. Oh yeah and the big one, Referees. I get we are in uncharted times, at least pay a reduced amount but don't have them all call into a Zoom meeting and be like yup, we're not going to pay you anymore, wait what? I was not a proponent of refunds since through no fault of the coaches and the club we could not partake in soccer activities. But now, I'm saying for all of you that are part of a club that has chosen to release its coaches, I think a partial refund is within order... Fyi, field rentals and league fees were prepaid...so they need to get that money back. Will Forsyth Parks & Rec refund them? Will GA Soccer send fees back? Does UFA have to pay field rental fees for Fowler? Or other forsyth fields? I know in Gwinnett and Dekalb if it’s designated your park and you have exclusive rights to it there are no rental fees. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 21, 2020 22:50:51 GMT -5
Fyi, field rentals and league fees were prepaid...so they need to get that money back. Will Forsyth Parks & Rec refund them? Will GA Soccer send fees back? Does UFA have to pay field rental fees for Fowler? Or other forsyth fields? I know in Gwinnett and Dekalb if it’s designated your park and you have exclusive rights to it there are no rental fees. Yes, there is a per player fee. I believe its $140 per season per non resident player, not sure of amount of resident player but its less. This applies to all Forsyth parks, except Polo, that one has a flat fee. I believe UFA pays Gwinnett something for Pickneyville, but I don't know exact figure. I think there's a non resident player fee. |
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Post by Keeper on Apr 21, 2020 23:00:51 GMT -5
Does UFA have to pay field rental fees for Fowler? Or other forsyth fields? I know in Gwinnett and Dekalb if it’s designated your park and you have exclusive rights to it there are no rental fees. Yes, there is a per player fee. I believe its $140 per season per non resident player, not sure of amount of resident player but its less. This applies to all Forsyth parks, except Polo, that one has a flat fee. I believe UFA pays Gwinnett something for Pickneyville, but I don't know exact figure. I think there's a non resident player fee. Interesting. I’ve never heard of that before. I know from my old old club days in Gwinnett we never paid anything for the use of the Gwinnett park except the out of county fee for a player living out of Gwinnett. There was some profit sharing type stuff where they’d match if we did upgrades or maintenance though. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 21, 2020 23:04:43 GMT -5
Yes, there is a per player fee. I believe its $140 per season per non resident player, not sure of amount of resident player but its less. This applies to all Forsyth parks, except Polo, that one has a flat fee. I believe UFA pays Gwinnett something for Pickneyville, but I don't know exact figure. I think there's a non resident player fee. Interesting. I’ve never heard of that before. I know from my old old club days in Gwinnett we never paid anything for the use of the Gwinnett park except the out of county fee for a player living out of Gwinnett. There was some profit sharing type stuff where they’d match if we did upgrades or maintenance though. Well Forsyth Parks and Rec loves charging for everything, if you go on their website they have their rental fees there. They do have nice facilities |
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Post by papacoach on Apr 24, 2020 7:27:35 GMT -5
Curious how the current environment affecting all of us will sharpe smaller clubs that were struggling financially Prior too before the shut down occurred will be scrambling even more now essentially if they can’t pay for field fees, membership dues, fund coaches salaries and replace Much needed old team equipment.
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Post by girlsoccer on Apr 24, 2020 7:56:17 GMT -5
Curious how the current environment affecting all of us will sharpe smaller clubs that were struggling financially Prior too before the shut down occurred will be scrambling even more now essentially if they can’t pay for field fees, membership dues, fund coaches salaries and replace Much needed old team equipment. I would think many will go under. I read something a few weeks ago that estimated 25-30% of clubs could go under just missing the spring season and more if we can’t play in the Fall. |
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Post by ultimatedad on Apr 24, 2020 10:57:10 GMT -5
I thought UFA and SSA are considered to be larger clubs. These are the clubs that have fired all their coaches. It seems as if it is the large clubs that are in financial trouble. Just where did all that money from dues go? Good news is I will let our clubs DOC know about coach Claudin. He sounds like he might need stable employment.
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Post by honeybadger on Apr 24, 2020 11:25:34 GMT -5
I just spoke with one of the heads of UFA. They have not fired a coach nor do they plan to. Where did you hear that?
ultimatedad, did you hear something about coach Claudin? If he isn't back that will affect my daughter's decision for next year. She's a CB and he played CB at Clemson and has really worked with her on the nuances of the CB position. She trusts him completely to get her to a small college one day.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 24, 2020 11:33:09 GMT -5
I just spoke with one of the heads of UFA. They have not fired a coach nor do they plan to. Where did you hear that? ultimatedad, did you hear something about coach Claudin? If he isn't back that will affect my daughter's decision for next year. She's a CB and he played CB at Clemson and has really worked with her on the nuances of the CB position. She trusts him completely to get her to a small college one day. I think he was goading you. Ultimatedad loves to fan the fires of controversy. As for UFA firing coaches, the forum has stated that, but that is not what I heard from the two coaches with whom I am in regular contact. They have said they haven't been fired. |
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Post by honeybadger on Apr 24, 2020 11:41:34 GMT -5
He shouldn't goad people concerning coaches losing their jobs:)
Just got this from UFA and I am quoting word for word:
"We have informed coaches about PPP and that created confusion among parents. UFA is current on all coach payments and plan on meeting all obligations each month".
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Post by soccergurl on Apr 24, 2020 20:04:43 GMT -5
we see on the may 1 the manager for the ufa him say yes you work april for 3 weeks but on the may 1 we no pay why I ask so coach he work and now he no get pay for 3 weeks das no good I think u ask u coach dat bueno
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Post by Keeper on Apr 24, 2020 21:12:36 GMT -5
Did anyone notice the UFA Mountain message on Facebook?
About a four week summer league at no cost. Well like most coaches they don’t get paid during the summer months and have to take additional employee like camps and personal training.
My thoughts are UFA laid off multiple coaches now so they can take advantage of the unemployment benefits and then plan on “rehiring” them during the summer to run these summer league sessions and games. Especially since like most coaches they would not be willing to work for free during this summer makeup session if they are already doing everything they can with online sessions now.
This way parents don’t pay anything extra, the club doesn’t pay anything extra and it’s almost a win/win except for the taxpayers.
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Post by mistercalcio on Apr 24, 2020 23:16:34 GMT -5
Did anyone notice the UFA Mountain message on Facebook? About a four week summer league at no cost. Well like most coaches they don’t get paid during the summer months and have to take additional employee like camps and personal training. My thoughts are UFA laid off multiple coaches now so they can take advantage of the unemployment benefits and then plan on “rehiring” them during the summer to run these summer league sessions and games. Especially since like most coaches they would not be willing to work for free during this summer makeup session if they are already doing everything they can with online sessions now. This way parents don’t pay anything extra, the club doesn’t pay anything extra and it’s almost a win/win except for the taxpayers. This scenario would definitely be best for everyone and I’m hopeful it’s true. Seems like too much smoke to have not been any coaches actually laid off but what you said would seemingly be positive at least. Hopefully all coaches were at least communicated with fully and clearly before the plan was brought to them, though. |
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Post by nole95 on Apr 25, 2020 7:51:41 GMT -5
I know for a fact that my daughter's U17 UFA Forsyth coach has not been let go. They are still having workouts once a week via Zoom. I have to think if the coach had been let go, they would charge for those workouts.
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Post by honeybadger on Apr 25, 2020 8:46:15 GMT -5
All this seems to be good news. There seems to be a little sliver of talk now about summer things for UFA and I assume that means other clubs. I want to call on all us right here and right now, when that first whistle blows to start the first match, we all do a standing ovation that's out of this world.
The kids would love it.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 25, 2020 8:47:05 GMT -5
I know for a fact that my daughter's U17 UFA Forsyth coach has not been let go. They are still having workouts once a week via Zoom. I have to think if the coach had been let go, they would charge for those workouts. Don't be so sure. Some coaches care more about the players than themselves. I know a U17 coach who is that way. But they haven't been let go. That was not what happened. They did have a communication about pay, but were not fired. |
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