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Post by atv on Apr 30, 2020 22:01:07 GMT -5
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Post by mistercalcio on May 1, 2020 0:25:15 GMT -5
Decent interview but too much pandering by the interviewer. I’ll admit I’m not a regular listener to this particular podcast but it almost felt like the questions were “pre-approved” or given ahead of time by the host. Even the “open ended” questions seemed like they were suggested by either Lavers or someone with an invested interest in order to serve one side’s interests. Again, not saying i believe that is a good or bad thing in general, but the early parts of this podcast especially felt like lip service to serving the interests of those who now find themeselves in strong positions through US Youth Soccer in general and especially the girls’ side of things. I’m hopeful that we’ll get a more objective POV at some point soon.
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Post by footyfan on May 1, 2020 4:56:26 GMT -5
Decent interview but too much pandering by the interviewer. I’ll admit I’m not a regular listener to this particular podcast but it almost felt like the questions were “pre-approved” or given ahead of time by the host. Even the “open ended” questions seemed like they were suggested by either Lavers or someone with an invested interest in order to serve one side’s interests. Again, not saying i believe that is a good or bad thing in general, but the early parts of this podcast especially felt like lip service to serving the interests of those who now find themeselves in strong positions through US Youth Soccer in general and especially the girls’ side of things. I’m hopeful that we’ll get a more objective POV at some point soon. I think there are a few known topics on everybody's mind right now which leads to some easy questions. The host himself mentions that he "shouldnt ask" one question, but Mr. Lavers answered it anyway. Not saying most questions wherent previewed by the interviewee prior to the podcast though. That's a possibility. To be sure you understand, Mr. Lavers is head of ECNL, a league which is sanctioned by US Club Soccer, not US Youth Soccer. US Youth Soccer is a seperate entity that is at odds with US Club Soccer. USSSA is the third main sanctioning body. I've no idea what that's about. Seems an odd group to have sanctioning soccer leagues. |
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Post by lsagoalie on May 1, 2020 8:42:39 GMT -5
Also, big picture, look at the statistics 73% of all youth soccer players nationwide are in US Youth Soccer sanctioned leagues not US Club soccer
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Post by footyfan on May 1, 2020 9:03:35 GMT -5
Also, big picture, look at the statistics 73% of all youth soccer players nationwide are in US Youth Soccer sanctioned leagues not US Club soccer Does that account for kids that are in both USYS and USCS simultaneously? |
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 1, 2020 9:38:05 GMT -5
I am surprised, as many US club leagues as there are. I wonder if that covers academy and select play. US Club doesn't sanction many academy leagues and IMO that stat should ignore players born before 2007.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 1, 2020 10:02:57 GMT -5
Lavers said that they're going to base entrance to ECNL on across-age-group performance in ECRL (its a league for pro/rel for ECNL). Hence, I think clubs in ECRL and GAL will put their first teams in ECRL, because they want to get into ECNL. Beach and Legends will likely have 2nd teams in GAL. Should they make ECNL they will likely put 2nd teams in ECRL and ditch GAL. Over the next couple years this may happen a lot. Some clubs may abandon ECRL for GAL if they cannot make ECNL. Will see. Would be interesting if ECNL give NTH that option perhaps next year, and how they respond. I doubt ECNL will consider GAL results for admission.
I think its less of a question on *IF* ECRL comes to the southeast, but *WHEN*?
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Post by 04gparent on May 1, 2020 12:33:10 GMT -5
Lavers said that they're going to base entrance to ECNL on across-age-group performance in ECRL (its a league for pro/rel for ECNL). Hence, I think clubs in ECRL and GAL will put their first teams in ECRL, because they want to get into ECNL. Beach and Legends will likely have 2nd teams in GAL. Should they make ECNL they will likely put 2nd teams in ECRL and ditch GAL. Over the next couple years this may happen a lot. Some clubs may abandon ECRL for GAL if they cannot make ECNL. Will see. Would be interesting if ECNL give NTH that option perhaps next year, and how they respond. I doubt ECNL will consider GAL results for admission.
I think its less of a question on *IF* ECRL comes to the southeast, but *WHEN*?
(girls soccer focused reply) I know we are all human, but if we all don't see the issue with this statement we are missing the BIG picture. We shouldnt allow one entity (ECNL, girls DA) to ultimately control the entire soccer community). ECNL has ALWAYS had a hidden approval process. It was never fully about success on the field. Hidden approval processes for leagues is ultimately not good. It breeds politics and hidden agendas. So when Lavers says we will "consider" results in ECRL which also financially supports their pockets US Club is wrong. You can check my post history, as I have stated this many times, if we truly want to develop the best players -> teams -> leagues there has to be some type of way to win your way in via results on the field not have my backs I scratch. This is one thing that USYS had right. You only advanced to state cup via winning. You only advanced to regionals via winning. You only advanced to Nationals via winning... |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 1, 2020 12:42:56 GMT -5
Lavers said that they're going to base entrance to ECNL on across-age-group performance in ECRL (its a league for pro/rel for ECNL). Hence, I think clubs in ECRL and GAL will put their first teams in ECRL, because they want to get into ECNL. Beach and Legends will likely have 2nd teams in GAL. Should they make ECNL they will likely put 2nd teams in ECRL and ditch GAL. Over the next couple years this may happen a lot. Some clubs may abandon ECRL for GAL if they cannot make ECNL. Will see. Would be interesting if ECNL give NTH that option perhaps next year, and how they respond. I doubt ECNL will consider GAL results for admission.
I think its less of a question on *IF* ECRL comes to the southeast, but *WHEN*?
(girls soccer focused reply) I know we are all human, but if we all don't see the issue with this statement we are missing the BIG picture. We shouldnt allow one entity (ECNL, girls DA) to ultimately control the entire soccer community). ECNL has ALWAYS had a hidden approval process. It was never fully about success on the field. Hidden approval processes for leagues is ultimately not good. It breeds politics and hidden agendas. So when Lavers says we will "consider" results in ECRL which also financially supports their pockets US Club is wrong. You can check my post history, as I have stated this many times, if we truly want to develop the best players -> teams -> leagues there has to be some type of way to win your way in via results on the field not have my backs I scratch. This is one thing that USYS had right. You only advanced to state cup via winning. You only advanced to regionals via winning. You only advanced to Nationals via winning... In some ways I agree with you, but in others not so much. The problem with focusing on winning is that many coaches don't develop players. The diamond in the rough player sits on the bench sacrificed to the gods of winning. I have seen players at clubs in US youth soccer at pre-high school ages spend less than 10 minutes in competitive games because the coaches wanted to win. When their team was up by 3 goals then maybe the players would get in. Not only do you need to WIN in US Youth, you need goal differential too. I DO agree about the issue of political issues deciding who gets into leagues and not. I also see politics about players getting on certain teams or not. Politics should not play a role in who plays where. |
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Post by 04gparent on May 1, 2020 12:51:32 GMT -5
(girls soccer focused reply) I know we are all human, but if we all don't see the issue with this statement we are missing the BIG picture. We shouldnt allow one entity (ECNL, girls DA) to ultimately control the entire soccer community). ECNL has ALWAYS had a hidden approval process. It was never fully about success on the field. Hidden approval processes for leagues is ultimately not good. It breeds politics and hidden agendas. So when Lavers says we will "consider" results in ECRL which also financially supports their pockets US Club is wrong. You can check my post history, as I have stated this many times, if we truly want to develop the best players -> teams -> leagues there has to be some type of way to win your way in via results on the field not have my backs I scratch. This is one thing that USYS had right. You only advanced to state cup via winning. You only advanced to regionals via winning. You only advanced to Nationals via winning... In some ways I agree with you, but in others not so much. The problem with focusing on winning is that many coaches don't develop players. The diamond in the rough player sits on the bench sacrificed to the gods of winning. I have seen players at clubs in US youth soccer at pre-high school ages spend less than 10 minutes in competitive games because the coaches wanted to win. When their team was up by 3 goals then maybe the players would get in. Not only do you need to WIN in US Youth, you need goal differential too. I DO agree about the issue of political issues deciding who gets into leagues and not. I also see politics about players getting on certain teams or not. Politics should not play a role in who plays where. I understand your concerns, but let me clarify, I am talking about promotional and relegations of clubs in a league or teams in a league. I agree this should not apply to the academy age groups... |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 1, 2020 12:56:06 GMT -5
In some ways I agree with you, but in others not so much. The problem with focusing on winning is that many coaches don't develop players. The diamond in the rough player sits on the bench sacrificed to the gods of winning. I have seen players at clubs in US youth soccer at pre-high school ages spend less than 10 minutes in competitive games because the coaches wanted to win. When their team was up by 3 goals then maybe the players would get in. Not only do you need to WIN in US Youth, you need goal differential too. I DO agree about the issue of political issues deciding who gets into leagues and not. I also see politics about players getting on certain teams or not. Politics should not play a role in who plays where. I understand your concerns, but let me clarify, I am talking about promotional and relegations of clubs in a league or teams in a league. I agree this should not apply to the academy age groups... I know. The players I am speaking of were U13. This happened a few years ago. Some clubs even pulled down their ECNL players to play on second teams to get wins. The almighty win won out over developing those second team kids at big clubs and bench first team kids at smaller clubs. That is not cool. If this sort of stuff happens regularly in State Cup or Georgia Soccer (which it did) then why would it not happen to get into ECNL or some other league. It is all the same issue. WIN, WIN, WIN, WIN. Not develop, develop, develop, develop. I totally agree that U15 and up should be able to focus more on winning, but there needs to be a balance between winning and development. In a closed league clubs can do that. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 1, 2020 13:40:22 GMT -5
League should base entry on wins...but winning is not important. A bit hypocritical from the soccer establishment.
We know 04gparent is frustrated, and I don't blame him and the other NTH families. But in the end this is likely a reap-what-was-sown situation. The guy NTH might owe its success to is likely at the heart of their rejection from the league. IMO, NTH is not a good community member within GA Soccer at this point, and the GAL1/GAL2/DPL is furthering this impression (too good for local leagues with their peers). It may only be year before Tophat is back in the league, but it's all based on stuff we don't know about.
And if it's just based on choosing DA over ECNL, it won't be that long before they're back in ECNL, but if ECNL has a bone to pick over statements made, that would be a whole other story.
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Post by atv on May 1, 2020 14:47:38 GMT -5
I just don’t agree with “team” based promotion/ relegation systems at the youth level. There is no stability in it and development is compromised. However, I think the idea of “club” based pro/ rel systems have a lot of potential. Hoping this happens with ECNL/ ECRL, GAL/ DPL, etc
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Post by ultimatedad on May 2, 2020 3:56:35 GMT -5
Keeping track of score is bad for bench player development according to these arguements.
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