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Post by SoccerMom on May 11, 2020 5:58:21 GMT -5
Tryouts sound like they will be happening in a couple of weeks. Will you send your son or daughter?
I know some people don't feel comfortable sending their kids out there anytime soon, but they can't keep putting soccer on hold eternally.
And for those who decide not to attend and essentially don't make a team. What will you do until 2021 in order to keep up with the other kids? Will your son/daughter do only private training? Will they give up the sport?
I know some have mentioned kids should be put on a team based on past performance even if they dont go to tryouts because they don't feel safe. But who is to say they will feel safe in July at team camp or August when practices resume? How is that fair to their team or to other kids trying out who didn't get a spot because it was being saved?
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Post by thisonedude on May 11, 2020 7:21:59 GMT -5
We'll see what the data say.
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Post by messindreams on May 11, 2020 8:49:49 GMT -5
I voted yes but need to understand details on how clubs are going to run tryouts. How are they planning to run tryouts? Traditional scrimmage style or zoom like they train now or what? will clubs refund if things don’t go as planned? will clubs be able to pay coaches with out all the tournament revenue? Will they be able to help kids with college recruiting assuming there will be second wave? If so, how? Lot’s of questions to be answered. What measures are clubs taking to adjust to the COVID related normalcy(could be oxymoron)? God forbid this but are clubs equipped to handle lawsuit(s) in case there is an unplanned incident? Are they taking legal advise? Hiding behind CDC guidelines may not be sufficient... lot more to think about.
Trying out is one thing but signing up is another thing.
I hope we can get back to normalcy and enjoy the game soon.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 11, 2020 9:12:58 GMT -5
These are all great questions. Not sure what Georgia Soccer does anymore, but this would be a great opportunity for them to show their worth and leadership by meeting with or talking to as many DOCs to get a set of best practices under which tryouts and subsequent soccer activities can occur. This will in turn allow clubs to be immune from potential lawsuits and requests for refunds should your child unfortunately be infected with rona. You as the parent would then have the pertinent info to determine your level of risk. Do the rules n practices in place satisfy you, if not then you don't sign your kid up and have them do something else or take the year off doing privates. At the end of the day, parents have to think through the whole spectrum of what they are signing up for. In most leagues, there is some modicum of travel, be in regular season games, tournaments or showcases. Tough decisions...
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 11, 2020 9:22:35 GMT -5
We plan to tryout and play. Private training can only go so far. My kids have been training this whole time. Early on it was private or with one other kid.
It is keeping them active, but a whole year of that could be hard to keep them motivated.
I have kind of come around to accepting that there will be issues for some time with COVID. I think it is going to be something we have to be alert for and be better with hygiene and staying home when sick and all of that, but life is going to go on with some modifications.
Read the ESPN article about the start of the Bundesliga. It is interesting. Even though they are testing players twice weekly they will still have to sit apart on the bench. No hugs or celebrations. No handshakes. It will be somewhat weird to watch but I am looking forward to it. There will be a new normal for a while for them and for all of us. I could see tryouts being small groups and separated. I can see coaches in the fall running some practices without defenders, just using posts as people. I can see tactics for defenders being more on cutting off passing lanes then 1v1 scenarios. It could be interesting to watch. Come game time I think they play with the same rules but I expect we may have temperature checks and questionnaires even for our kids. This might be the same at schools for a while. No more honor system that your temp is below 100.
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Post by honeybadger on May 11, 2020 9:39:05 GMT -5
Yes, we will be there when they are held.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 11, 2020 10:25:48 GMT -5
What are other countries (Europe, S.America, etc) doing for their youth soccer programs?? We have been chatting on this site about how we "Americans" will possibly handle tryouts... I was wondering if their are any international models or best practices that we might follow. No need to 'reinvent the wheel' if someone has already taken steps in this regard.
So, when are other countries opening soccer/football/futbol back up? I have no idea about when they usually hold tryouts but I'm sure they have players just like ours that are itching to go play... but want to take precautions as well. I don't follow international soccer as closely as some of you and I'm not a transplant from from one of the countries that has a pipeline of information being fed back to me through family and friends back in another country.
We know about the Bundesliga getting back to it... but what about their youth? Does anyone have any insight as to how the WORLD is handling soccer outside of the Professional ranks?
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 11, 2020 10:42:16 GMT -5
What are other countries (Europe, S.America, etc) doing for their youth soccer programs?? We have been chatting on this site about how we "Americans" will possibly handle tryouts... I was wondering if their are any international models or best practices that we might follow. No need to 'reinvent the wheel' if someone has already taken steps in this regard. So, when are other countries opening soccer/football/futbol back up? I have no idea about when they usually hold tryouts but I'm sure they have players just like ours that are itching to go play... but want to take precautions as well. I don't follow international soccer as closely as some of you and I'm not a transplant from from one of the countries that has a pipeline of information being fed back to me through family and friends back in another country. We know about the Bundesliga getting back to it... but what about their youth? Does anyone have any insight as to how the WORLD is handling soccer outside of the Professional ranks? Well I don't know about the younger kids in Europe but there are comments about the clubs having academy players available for the first team due to the possibility of players testing positive and not being available for 2 weeks or so. FG knows people abroad. She might know. |
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Post by thisonedude on May 11, 2020 11:30:38 GMT -5
I don't understand why many clubs can't place 80 to 90% of their players based on what they know about them. The longer a player (and older a player) has been with a club, the more likely it seems there is an institutional knowledge of that player's strengths, weaknesses, and performance track record relative to peers. Decisions could be made based on that information. For players new to the club, reach out to past coaches for evaluation. Of course, that means clubs would have to be willing to share information and maybe see player migration. So...probably wouldn't happen.
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Post by ga3v3 on May 11, 2020 11:33:54 GMT -5
Totally depends on how clubs hold them. I’m not in any rush- plenty of teams in our area.
I will not be signing anyone up however unless clubs have a written cancellation policy to address possible shutdowns if it come to that again
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Post by ga3v3 on May 11, 2020 11:38:42 GMT -5
I don't understand why many clubs can't place 80 to 90% of their players based on what they know about them. The longer a player (and older a player) has been with a club, the more likely it seems there is an institutional knowledge of that player's strengths, weaknesses, and performance track record relative to peers. Decisions could be made based on that information. For players new to the club, reach out to past coaches for evaluation. Of course, that means clubs would have to be willing to share information and maybe see player migration. So...probably wouldn't happen. Totally agree. Returning players should be placed, new players can be evaluated in small groups. The clubs will not want to give up control of their returning players during tryouts though so probably won’t happen unless parents demand it. It’s surprising to me how sheepish parents seem to be on this forum though and how willing they are to sign up those players with zero concessions from their clubs. Oh well... |
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Post by messindreams on May 11, 2020 11:52:41 GMT -5
I don't understand why many clubs can't place 80 to 90% of their players based on what they know about them. The longer a player (and older a player) has been with a club, the more likely it seems there is an institutional knowledge of that player's strengths, weaknesses, and performance track record relative to peers. Decisions could be made based on that information. For players new to the club, reach out to past coaches for evaluation. Of course, that means clubs would have to be willing to share information and maybe see player migration. So...probably wouldn't happen. Totally agree. Returning players should be placed, new players can be evaluated in small groups. The clubs will not want to give up control of their returning players during tryouts though so probably won’t happen unless parents demand it. It’s surprising to me how sheepish parents seem to be on this forum though and how willing they are to sign up those players with zero concessions from their clubs. Oh well... I think you are being a bit harsh with your assessment. Trying out is different from singing up, I am sure all parents here will ask smart questions and make a decision that makes sense for their kids. |
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Post by blu on May 11, 2020 11:55:24 GMT -5
Normal year I think they would be more willing to place a lot of players pre-tryout. This year with the collapse of DA I think they are going to see who shoes up, and even then who commits after showing up. It will have a ripple effect on all teams below.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 11, 2020 12:08:45 GMT -5
What are other countries (Europe, S.America, etc) doing for their youth soccer programs?? We have been chatting on this site about how we "Americans" will possibly handle tryouts... I was wondering if their are any international models or best practices that we might follow. No need to 'reinvent the wheel' if someone has already taken steps in this regard. So, when are other countries opening soccer/football/futbol back up? I have no idea about when they usually hold tryouts but I'm sure they have players just like ours that are itching to go play... but want to take precautions as well. I don't follow international soccer as closely as some of you and I'm not a transplant from from one of the countries that has a pipeline of information being fed back to me through family and friends back in another country. We know about the Bundesliga getting back to it... but what about their youth? Does anyone have any insight as to how the WORLD is handling soccer outside of the Professional ranks? Well I don't know about the younger kids in Europe but there are comments about the clubs having academy players available for the first team due to the possibility of players testing positive and not being available for 2 weeks or so. FG knows people abroad. She might know. From friends abroad, honestly no one knows. Different countries have different rules. Take the Dutch, nothing till September 1st. Hearing La Liga is looking to wait till maybe next year. Again, there are no cohesive set of rules and practices being adopted by everyone. Then locally AU is looking to have the lads in to train and play some type of summer league program. I've also heard it is a time of great opportunity for those on the reserves aka U23s since now they have a legitimate chance to step up to the first team should an injury or illness befall a first team player. I've also heard that it is a scary time for parents since they worry about the potential risks to their kids. I think much like here, in the absence of a uniformly accepted set of rules or plan, it really lies with the parents or the player if they are old enough to make that decision. The one looming factor we all can't ignore though is the governmental side of things. If the local/state/federal government says no, everything is moot... Here is an article that delves a bit into what we're talking about in regards to: Man United - www.espn.com/soccer/manchester-united/story/4090155/how-man-uniteds-academy-is-navigating-the-unprecedented-covid-19-shutdown Valencia - insidersport.com/2020/05/11/how-valencias-youth-development-system-has-navigated-covid-19/ |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 11, 2020 12:14:28 GMT -5
Normal year I think they would be more willing to place a lot of players pre-tryout. This year with the collapse of DA I think they are going to see who shoes up, and even then who commits after showing up. It will have a ripple effect on all teams below. With the loss of DA/GDA and the re-balancing of Elite Soccer, one of the recurring themes I'm hearing across the broad spectrum(boys, girls, leagues) is that folks are starting to rethink travel. I don't mean out of town but local travel. Outside of AU, why should I travel past 1, 2, 3 clubs to get to mine when I can go to the local club much closer to my home and play in the same high level league??? |
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Post by thisonedude on May 11, 2020 13:01:28 GMT -5
Normal year I think they would be more willing to place a lot of players pre-tryout. This year with the collapse of DA I think they are going to see who shoes up, and even then who commits after showing up. It will have a ripple effect on all teams below. With the loss of DA/GDA and the re-balancing of Elite Soccer, one of the recurring themes I'm hearing across the broad spectrum(boys, girls, leagues) is that folks are starting to rethink travel. I don't mean out of town but local travel. Outside of AU, why should I travel past 1, 2, 3 clubs to get to mine when I can go to the local club much closer to my home and play in the same high level league??? I think the loss of DA changes the landscape in a different way. Instead of there being 36 roster spots (excluding ATL UTD) for the top tier in a give age group (i.e., 18 for CF, 18 for UFA), there are now 108 roster spots for the top tier. From the perspective of the club, it seems like you would want to lock down as many "known" top players as possible because, as FG said, they might have an option closer to home. |
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Post by blu on May 11, 2020 13:49:42 GMT -5
Normal year I think they would be more willing to place a lot of players pre-tryout. This year with the collapse of DA I think they are going to see who shoes up, and even then who commits after showing up. It will have a ripple effect on all teams below. With the loss of DA/GDA and the re-balancing of Elite Soccer, one of the recurring themes I'm hearing across the broad spectrum(boys, girls, leagues) is that folks are starting to rethink travel. I don't mean out of town but local travel. Outside of AU, why should I travel past 1, 2, 3 clubs to get to mine when I can go to the local club much closer to my home and play in the same high level league??? I know of several boys my son played academy with that left to go play DA elsewhere that now plan to return to the closer home ECNL clubs. Shakes things up for sure. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 11, 2020 13:54:09 GMT -5
I know we're primarily addressing club soccer, but has there been any discussions in other avenues about HS sports? Will HS football kickoff as normal this fall and if not will it be postponed or delayed into winter/spring, ergo affecting spring soccer, especially now that everyone outside of AU can play HS soccer???
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Post by soccerspin on May 11, 2020 14:05:26 GMT -5
I voted yes but need to understand details on how clubs are going to run tryouts. How are they planning to run tryouts? Traditional scrimmage style or zoom like they train now or what? will clubs refund if things don’t go as planned? will clubs be able to pay coaches with out all the tournament revenue? Will they be able to help kids with college recruiting assuming there will be second wave? If so, how? Lot’s of questions to be answered. What measures are clubs taking to adjust to the COVID related normalcy(could be oxymoron)? God forbid this but are clubs equipped to handle lawsuit(s) in case there is an unplanned incident? Are they taking legal advise? Hiding behind CDC guidelines may not be sufficient... lot more to think about. Trying out is one thing but signing up is another thing. I hope we can get back to normalcy and enjoy the game soon. All good questions but I doubt the clubs are going to offer up any of this information if not demanded to do so by the parents. And based on what I’ve seen so far on this forum, I’m not sure that demand will be large enough. If you are concerned at any level (how tryouts will be done all the way through signing for another season), please contact your DOC ASAP. |
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Post by soccergurl on May 11, 2020 14:24:14 GMT -5
please contact your DOC ASAP. |my team mother she ask but TG no answer yet| |
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Post by SoccerMom on May 11, 2020 18:00:27 GMT -5
I hope a lot of you know that tryouts already technically started.
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Post by rifle on May 11, 2020 19:38:15 GMT -5
Say the “re-open” order causes a significant spike in positive tests.. does your mindset pause for a minute? Or do you just forge ahead without concern?
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Post by mistergrinch on May 11, 2020 20:16:58 GMT -5
Say the “re-open” order causes a significant spike in positive tests.. does your mindset pause for a minute? Or do you just forge ahead without concern? If that happens, it won't matter what our mindset is - it'll close right back down. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 11, 2020 21:08:10 GMT -5
Forge ahead without concern. This virus is a blip and not a big concern outside of New York/New Jersey.
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Post by honeybadger on May 11, 2020 22:18:47 GMT -5
Agree
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Post by atv on May 12, 2020 6:22:25 GMT -5
... so only 48 people read this forum?
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Post by ga3v3 on May 12, 2020 7:00:58 GMT -5
Interesting poll- should be alarming to clubs if 10% on this forum say no as I’m sure most on here are not the average soccer parent and most tend to be more involved or interested. I’m sure you could figure at least double that for the entire soccer community.
Unfortunately I don’t think the virus is the main concern anyway it’s the economy. Throw in many underprivileged families, families able to afford it and decide not to participate, the effect on many of the scholarship players and you end up with a much leaner youth soccer presence for 20/21. Very doubtful it will be business as usual
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Post by soccerelite11 on May 12, 2020 9:11:29 GMT -5
Totally depends on how clubs hold them. I’m not in any rush- plenty of teams in our area. I will not be signing anyone up however unless clubs have a written cancellation policy to address possible shutdowns if it come to that again My club is sending out harassment level emails daily trying to get people to register for tryouts. They finally decided just to place returning players on teams based on past assessments and only have new kids try out. But it still seems people are not signing up because the emails keep coming. I have asked numerous times about a refund policy in case things don't work out and the season is cancelled and they refuse to answer the question. I think all clubs need to understand that parents are not only worried about the virus but also will they get all or some of their money back if the season gets cancelled. If parents do not have clear communications and assurances in this area, they are not going to be willing to sign their kids up. And especially when no money was given back for the cancelled Spring Season. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 12, 2020 9:23:14 GMT -5
Totally depends on how clubs hold them. I’m not in any rush- plenty of teams in our area. I will not be signing anyone up however unless clubs have a written cancellation policy to address possible shutdowns if it come to that again My club is sending out harassment level emails daily trying to get people to register for tryouts. They finally decided just to place returning players on teams based on past assessments and only have new kids try out. But it still seems people are not signing up because the emails keep coming. I have asked numerous times about a refund policy in case things don't work out and the season is cancelled and they refuse to answer the question. I think all clubs need to understand that parents are not only worried about the virus but also will they get all or some of their money back if the season gets cancelled. If parents do not have clear communications and assurances in this area, they are not going to be willing to sign their kids up. And especially when no money was given back for the cancelled Spring Season. Interesting. Our club has been silent. I have not received an email from them in probably 1-2 weeks and as I am a TM I usually get more than the rest of the parents. We emailed our club about some specifics relating to which leagues we are participating in and got no response about that either. As a TM I have received some emails from parents about registering for tryouts. I have not heard reluctance on the part of these parents to try out. Maybe they will hold their questions for when the spot is offered... |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on May 12, 2020 9:26:03 GMT -5
Totally depends on how clubs hold them. I’m not in any rush- plenty of teams in our area. I will not be signing anyone up however unless clubs have a written cancellation policy to address possible shutdowns if it come to that again My club is sending out harassment level emails daily trying to get people to register for tryouts. They finally decided just to place returning players on teams based on past assessments and only have new kids try out. But it still seems people are not signing up because the emails keep coming. I have asked numerous times about a refund policy in case things don't work out and the season is cancelled and they refuse to answer the question. I think all clubs need to understand that parents are not only worried about the virus but also will they get all or some of their money back if the season gets cancelled. If parents do not have clear communications and assurances in this area, they are not going to be willing to sign their kids up. And especially when no money was given back for the cancelled Spring Season. What club are you with? My club is not sending out any info. I found out about registering by accident. Also if you register for try outs you don't need to pay for the fall fees, I would imagine they are trying to get a head count on possible players, but I do agree you need to know about the refund policy if God forbid we need to shut it down again |
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