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Post by soccerworld1974 on May 13, 2020 22:57:24 GMT -5
When I thought there was a final determination as to how the leagues rank, the new MLS league not only muddles that but at the same time makes ones question the validity of the league.
So what is the league higharchy at this point?
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Post by soccergurl on May 14, 2020 1:35:11 GMT -5
|maybe u share u own higharchy to|
Girls
- ECNL
- ECRL
- GAL\NL
- NPL\SCCL
- SCCL P1, P2, P3, P4,... P22
Boys
- MLS\USL
- ECNL
- ERCL\NL
- NPL\SCCL
- SCCL P1, P2, P3, P4,... P22
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Post by mistercalcio on May 14, 2020 2:05:53 GMT -5
|maybe u share u own higharchy to| Girls - ECNL - ECRL - GAL - NPL\SCCL - SCCL P1, P2, P3, P4,... P22 Boys - MLS\USL - ECNL - ERCL - NPL\SCCL - SCCL P1, P2, P3, P4,... P22 I actually agree with these rankings, which makes me wish all the more that you’d just type with proper, not frustrating English. Is it really benefitting you at this point to continue the ESL charade? (Not saying they aren’t ESL, but more that they have a very, very solid grasp of the English written word). We’ve all seen you post with more than adequate English grammar and syntax, what are you looking to do with this bumbling?? |
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Post by footyfan on May 14, 2020 5:17:14 GMT -5
|maybe u share u own higharchy to| Girls - ECNL - ECRL - GAL - NPL\SCCL - SCCL P1, P2, P3, P4,... P22 Boys - MLS\USL - ECNL - ERCL - NPL\SCCL - SCCL P1, P2, P3, P4,... P22 What about: USYS NL USYS Piedmont Conference USYS Club Champions League- GA |
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Post by atv on May 14, 2020 6:13:49 GMT -5
Talent on the boys side is massive. I wouldn’t automatically anoint the USL teams, whoever they are, until I see some head to head match-ups on the field. I don’t think Tormenta FC from Statesboro would line up very well against one of the better older boys teams in ECNL or NL in Atlanta . It’s easy to say on a message board, this club is semipro so their academy must be better, but it’s different for an MLS squad pulling players from dozens of clubs in a metropolitan area than it is for minor league squads pulling from less densely populated areas.
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Post by atv on May 14, 2020 6:25:20 GMT -5
“hierarchy”
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Post by soccergurl on May 14, 2020 6:34:11 GMT -5
|maybe u share u own higharchy to| Girls - ECNL - ECRL - GAL - NPL\SCCL - SCCL P1, P2, P3, P4,... P22 Boys - MLS\USL - ECNL - ERCL - NPL\SCCL - SCCL P1, P2, P3, P4,... P22 What about: USYS NL USYS Piedmont Conference USYS Club Champions League- GA |i change higharchy| |
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Post by datrain on May 14, 2020 6:37:37 GMT -5
The MLS league actually has 2 divisions: one comprised of MLS teams and the other largely league-less DA teams. That 2nd division is essentially on par with ECNL
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Post by soccergurl on May 14, 2020 6:43:58 GMT -5
Talent on the boys side is massive.. I wouldn’t automatically anoint the USL teams whoever they are until I see some head to head match-ups. I don’t think Tormenta FC from Statesboro would line up very well against one of the better older boys teams in ECNL or NL teams in Atlanta . It’s easy to say on paper this club is semipro so their academy must be better but it’s different for an MLS squad pulling players from dozens of clubs in a metropolitan area than it is for minor league squads pulling from less densely populated areas. |mls+usl is one league| |no care of just usl| |
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Post by blu on May 14, 2020 6:56:57 GMT -5
That 2nd division is essentially on par with ECNL Eh, maybe. I'd even say doubtful for the first year. I mean here in Atlanta they took the two teams left over from ECNL's grab.
What's the advantage of being in that league if you don't get to match up against MLS sides? The travel looks awful too. |
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 14, 2020 8:54:41 GMT -5
That 2nd division is essentially on par with ECNL Eh, maybe. I'd even say doubtful for the first year. I mean here in Atlanta they took the two teams left over from ECNL's grab.
What's the advantage of being in that league if you don't get to match up against MLS sides? The travel looks awful too. The 2nd division you are referring to... is that the ECRL? If so, I would definitely not put it above the SCCL. They took the Carolina team from the SCCL and placed it in ECRL. Also, if we made an ECRL league in Atlanta, it would be the teams from the SCCL that would mostly fill those slots. Therefore, I would put ECRL and SCCL on the same level at worst. There were too many levels in yours soccergurl.... Girls - ECNL - GAL - ECRL\SCCL\NPL - SCCL P1, P2, P3, P4,... P22 Boys - MLS\USL - ECNL - ECRL\SCCL\NPL - SCCL P1, P2, P3, P4,... P22 Caveat: I don't know as much on the boys side, but I would think it would be similar to this. |
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Post by blu on May 14, 2020 9:17:09 GMT -5
I was referring to the boys side, MLS league second division. I just don't see it as something that's going to draw people to it. You don't play MLS sides and the travel is awful. What's the point?
Boys
- MLS League 1st Division
- ECNL
- ECRL\SCCL\NPL\MLS League 2nd Division
- SCCL P1, P2, P3, P4,... P22
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Post by soccerworld1974 on May 14, 2020 9:48:05 GMT -5
Ok, after some reading as to the MLS league structure,the 2nd their seems like more gap fillers than anything. Though based on what my son's club communicated is that NPL is above SCCL based on tryout selections so guess it looks more like this:
MLS - 1st tier
Ecnl
Npl
Sccl/MLS 2nd tier
And ecrl is not in GA I believe correct? Speaking as to boys side.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 14, 2020 9:57:41 GMT -5
Ok, after some reading as to the MLS league structure,the 2nd their seems like more gap fillers than anything. Though based on what my son's club communicated is that NPL is above SCCL based on tryout selections so guess it looks more like this: MLS - 1st tier Ecnl Npl Sccl/MLS 2nd tier And ecrl is not in GA I believe correct? Speaking as to boys side. You are no being realistic, any level with the league name MLS attached will be far above SCCL and NPL so: MLS pro ECNL/MLS Academy NPL/NL SCCL |
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Post by soccerworld1974 on May 14, 2020 10:56:47 GMT -5
But being LSA is part of that list (no offense to that club) it cannot be considered at that level. MLS top tier yes. 2nd tier seems no more than a schedule filler.
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Post by footyfan on May 14, 2020 17:28:29 GMT -5
Ok, after some reading as to the MLS league structure,the 2nd their seems like more gap fillers than anything. Though based on what my son's club communicated is that NPL is above SCCL based on tryout selections so guess it looks more like this: MLS - 1st tier Ecnl Npl Sccl/MLS 2nd tier And ecrl is not in GA I believe correct? Speaking as to boys side. You are no being realistic, any level with the league name MLS attached will be far above SCCL and NPL so: MLS pro ECNL/MLS Academy NPL/NL SCCL BUT SOCCERMAXX THE S.C.C.L. |
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Post by datrain on May 14, 2020 17:35:27 GMT -5
I was referring to the boys side, MLS league second division. I just don't see it as something that's going to draw people to it. You don't play MLS sides and the travel is awful. What's the point? Boys - MLS League 1st Division - ECNL - ECRL\SCCL\NPL\MLS League 2nd Division - SCCL P1, P2, P3, P4,... P22 I think this is accurate here in Georgia I will say this......in the northeast, the MLS 2nd Division is loaded. Honestly, I am convinced the 2nd division came about because those Boston/NY teams were not going to ECNL and they wanted their own league and competition |
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 14, 2020 19:51:59 GMT -5
I still don't quite understand the economics of spending $3-4 million a year on a youth academy. Don't get me wrong it's a great service for the community and allowing players to play for free, but now I would expect the costs to even be more with the new league.
the new league also now allows more flexibility to control their own rosters vs US soccer dictating rules and restrictions, so that is good news.
I'm assuming Atlanta United will be scrimmaging ecnl teams next year, but I bet will always try to scrimmage the older teams.
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Post by jjfutebol on May 14, 2020 22:25:26 GMT -5
Ok, after some reading as to the MLS league structure,the 2nd their seems like more gap fillers than anything. Though based on what my son's club communicated is that NPL is above SCCL based on tryout selections so guess it looks more like this: MLS - 1st tier Ecnl Npl Sccl/MLS 2nd tier And ecrl is not in GA I believe correct? Speaking as to boys side. You are no being realistic, any level with the league name MLS attached will be far above SCCL and NPL so: MLS pro ECNL/MLS Academy NPL/NL SCCL Seems like there is some serious animosity towards LSA... I don’t see any MLS league being below ECNL - where will IMG, Barca, USL teams land? |
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Post by footyfan on May 15, 2020 5:43:30 GMT -5
Girls
1- ECNL
2- GAL(bc fewer&less quality teams in SE; travel)
3- NPL/future ECRL (same+additions?)
4- NL(lots of travel)
5- SCCL-C/DPL(hearing DPL adjunct league)
6- NL Piedmont(lots of travel, quality decreasing)
7- SCCL-P1
8- GA Soccer/SCCL-P2+
Boys
1- MLS tier 1&2
2- ECNL (many local choices/games)
3- USL Academy
4- NPL/future ECRL (same+additions?)
5- NL(lots of travel, quality decreasing)
6- SCCL-C
7- NL Piedmont(lots of travel)
8- SCCL-P1
9- GA Soccer/SCCL-P2+
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Post by newposter on May 15, 2020 6:59:42 GMT -5
Having LSA and SSA in automatically raises questions. Also looking at a few other teams does same. They dont compete well against other top clubs in Georgia. I'd say in girls ECNL is tops with boys having ECNL and MLS at same level. In Georgia, I might give edge to ECNL given 2 of the new teams were just DA.
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Post by blu on May 15, 2020 7:00:50 GMT -5
Boys
1- MLS 1
2- ECNL (many local choices/games)
3- USL Academy, MLS 2, NPL/future ECRL
4- SCCL-C, NL
5- NL Piedmont(lots of travel)
6- SCCL-P1
7- GA Soccer/SCCL-P2+
For Georgia IMO. I could see MLS 2 being higher in the NE like someone said earlier. Seems like a hard sell to me, unless they play MLS 1 teams non-conference for exposure I really don't see a benefit to being in that league.
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Post by atv on May 15, 2020 7:04:14 GMT -5
I still don't quite understand the economics of spending $3-4 million a year on a youth academy. Don't get me wrong it's a great service for the community and allowing players to play for free, but now I would expect the costs to even be more with the new league. the new league also now allows more flexibility to control their own rosters vs US soccer dictating rules and restrictions, so that is good news. I'm assuming Atlanta United will be scrimmaging ecnl teams next year, but I bet will always try to scrimmage the older teams. That’s because it’s silly from a financial standpoint. MLS team (like Atlanta United) would be better served owning and running a second USL minor league team. Everyone of these MLS clubs operate academies at a financial loss. |
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Post by jjfutebol on May 15, 2020 10:16:27 GMT -5
I still don't quite understand the economics of spending $3-4 million a year on a youth academy. Don't get me wrong it's a great service for the community and allowing players to play for free, but now I would expect the costs to even be more with the new league. the new league also now allows more flexibility to control their own rosters vs US soccer dictating rules and restrictions, so that is good news. I'm assuming Atlanta United will be scrimmaging ecnl teams next year, but I bet will always try to scrimmage the older teams. That’s because it’s silly from a financial standpoint. MLS team (like Atlanta United) would be better served owning and running a second USL minor league team. Everyone of these MLS clubs operate academies at a financial loss. From the looks of it AND not truly knowing which teams will join which division (makes sense that more than just MLS teams will be playing in the MLS Pro division), GA may be the exception. Other areas and states have MLS and non-MLS clubs/teams that have repeatedly produced pros. Can this be said for many Boys ECNL teams? |
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Post by footballer on May 15, 2020 10:26:18 GMT -5
As far as league hierarchy goes, even though they are not done with details, and still lots of logistics that need to be sorted out, the new MLS youth league will definitely be the top one, that is obvious if we analyze the teams involved so far. It does seem that a few on the posts here are taking subliminal shots at the new MLS league, particularly the non-Mls teams involved by insinuating it might be an inferior league to ECNL. I beg to differ as most of the non-mls clubs were actually highly ranked clubs in their regions back when DA was still a thing. Northeast, Midwest, west coasts are loaded. However, if we base the league based on GA clubs, I can understand where the insinuations and assumptions are coming from. BUT we should not be quick to write ofF or assume that LSA and SSA will have weak teams.
This new MLS league have also stated that they want to work with top non-MLS clubs which is a step in the right direction in the case of raising standards and competition in youth soccer landscape. They also have said they are open for applicants that want to join.
The truth is that the top clubs (DOCS) in GA aka CF, UFA, GSA etc blew the chance of being part of this new league by jumping and committing to ECNL league. Im quite sure that if we did a poll and asked players or parents which league they would prefer if both options were presented at the same time, most would opt for the MLS league.
The travel issue is mainly an issue with the GA teams as most other regions have reasonable travel. FYI, If all top GA clubs join, it won't be an issue here, but as someone mentioned, they declined the offer for what reason? I have a theory on that, however, that is another conversation.
This is how rifts start to creep in again. We don't need that post COVID-19/post DA. This is an opportunity to condense and improve youth soccer. rather than going back to same ol battle of leagues. ECNL V MLS V NPL V SCCL. its stupid to be honest.
The fact is DA is gone and MLS is the Boss. Give them a chance to build until they fck it up before taking shots subliminally or directly. Lets cheer for SSA and LSA to represent GA well in the new league and hopefully next season, the other top clubs in GA can apply and join. Everyone is happy. This by no means fixes youth soccer but could be a step in the right direction.
hierarchy is
MLS youth,
ECNL
SCCL/NPL
Not sure what leagues are below these but imo, it should be rec leagues. Too many damn leagues, it is confusing. Maybe they can use this hierarchy even as a format for pro/rel (older ages) if we really want to make things even more interesting.
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Post by OTPSoccer on May 15, 2020 10:50:00 GMT -5
As far as league hierarchy goes, even though they are not done with details, and still lots of logistics that need to be sorted out, the new MLS youth league will definitely be the top one, that is obvious if we analyze the teams involved so far. It does seem that a few on the posts here are taking subliminal shots at the new MLS league, particularly the non-Mls teams involved by insinuating it might be an inferior league to ECNL. I beg to differ as most of the non-mls clubs were actually highly ranked clubs in their regions back when DA was still a thing. Northeast, Midwest, west coasts are loaded. However, if we base the league based on GA clubs, I can understand where the insinuations and assumptions are coming from. BUT we should not be quick to write ofF or assume that LSA and SSA will have weak teams. This new MLS league have also stated that they want to work with top non-MLS clubs which is a step in the right direction in the case of raising standards and competition in youth soccer landscape. They also have said they are open for applicants that want to join. The truth is that the top clubs (DOCS) in GA aka CF, UFA, GSA etc blew the chance of being part of this new league by jumping and committing to ECNL league. Im quite sure that if we did a poll and asked players or parents which league they would prefer if both options were presented at the same time, most would opt for the MLS league. The travel issue is mainly an issue with the GA teams as most other regions have reasonable travel. FYI, If all top GA clubs join, it won't be an issue here, but as someone mentioned, they declined the offer for what reason? I have a theory on that, however, that is another conversation. This is how rifts start to creep in again. We don't need that post COVID-19/post DA. This is an opportunity to condense and improve youth soccer. rather than going back to same ol battle of leagues. ECNL V MLS V NPL V SCCL. its stupid to be honest. The fact is DA is gone and MLS is the Boss. Give them a chance to build until they fck it up before taking shots subliminally or directly. Lets cheer for SSA and LSA to represent GA well in the new league and hopefully next season, the other top clubs in GA can apply and join. Everyone is happy. This by no means fixes youth soccer but could be a step in the right direction. hierarchy is MLS youth, ECNL SCCL/NPL Not sure what leagues are below these but imo, it should be rec leagues. Too many damn leagues, it is confusing. Maybe they can use this hierarchy even as a format for pro/rel (older ages) if we really want to make things even more interesting. I generally agree with your hierarchy and the points you've raised. A high reward scenario for LSA and SSA if they can draw players and compete in the MLS league. I'm willing to give it two recruiting cycles before casting a vote for success/failure. In two years time, will LSA/SSA (MLS) have more D-1 commits than CF/UFA (ECNL)? I'll be interested to see. |
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Post by footballer on May 15, 2020 11:06:21 GMT -5
SSA certainly trending in that direction as far as players, number of higher class certified coaches, fields and also acquisition of USL team. Dont forget most SSA boys go to CF in search of greener pastures once they were done with u14. They won't need to do that any longer.
LSA is also trending in that direction though at a slower rate. They have a high population of hispanic kids that play soccer all day everyday. Lots of field space and a UPSL semi pro team, in addition to small clubs in that area. They just need to figure a way to convince their players to stay local.
I too am curious to see how things play out. I like to cheer for the underdogs
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Post by blu on May 15, 2020 11:19:50 GMT -5
It could turn out well for them, so much yet to be known.
As the parent of an ECNL player this new MLS 2 league would be a hard sell for us (with the given information). ECNL also just greatly reduced our travel by cutting out Florida.
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Post by footballer on May 15, 2020 11:43:03 GMT -5
This is where the bosses at LSA and SSA need to show leadership and communication with parents and league. Work out the logistics with the MLS league based on their constituents.
First year may not be great but if there is a good clear blueprint and roadmap, things will fall into place.
Personally, I think the new MLS league should start at u15-19.
Club members of GA top clubs need to challenge their Directors on the boys side to get them in this new MLS league or at least ask for their input before jumping into any league. These are loyal and paying members for goodness sake. They deserve input. This would have been perfect time to do this, but they just do whatever comes to mind.
A scenario with all the top GA clubs would have been awesome and less travel.
Parents wake up and stop jumping on band wagon. Docs stop taking advantage of well meaning and loyal supporters.
ECNL is great and has worked well on the girls side.
Boys platform needs leadership and communication from all parties involved.
It certainly looks like MLS is taking the leadership role and are looking to work with the clubs in their region based on the press releases.
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Post by atv on May 15, 2020 15:16:14 GMT -5
That’s because it’s silly from a financial standpoint. MLS team (like Atlanta United) would be better served owning and running a second USL minor league team. Everyone of these MLS clubs operate academies at a financial loss. From the looks of it AND not truly knowing which teams will join which division (makes sense that more than just MLS teams will be playing in the MLS Pro division), GA may be the exception. Other areas and states have MLS and non-MLS clubs/teams that have repeatedly produced pros. Can this be said for many Boys ECNL teams? Why did you address these comments to me? I just said, “MLS academies operate at a financial loss”. Nothing about what teams play in what division or pro potential of the league. The MLS already acknowledges that the majority of its clubs do not turn a profit. The spend on academies certainly do not help profitability. Furthermore the league's single-entity ownership structure, requires revenue sharing among franchises and limits individual team and player upside. If they were approaching this from a profit perspective an MLS team owning a second minor league team in an underserved fan base (like Alabama) might be a more productive and profitable approach. |
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