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Post by baller84 on May 21, 2020 21:42:36 GMT -5
This partnership announcement between MLS and USYS was somewhat of a surprise to many, given the already established ECNL platform and large youth club trend towards US Club. Couple of the reasons are the numbers from the 55 associations and inclusiveness USYS provides a completely open and natural pathway from the grassroots of street soccer and smallest of clubs or even single teams, all the way to the MLS and its academies: MLS /USYS announce new ground breaking partnershipwhich ties with this which is as inclusive and complete as any general plan I've ever seen in youth sports: Interesting how USYS is now becoming open to both the club vs club approach and team vs team approach. What took them and especially the MLS so long? How different would the youth soccer landscape be nationally if this was done 4 years ago?
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Post by footyfan on May 22, 2020 8:34:58 GMT -5
This partnership announcement between MLS and USYS was somewhat of a surprise to many, given the already established ECNL platform and large youth club trend towards US Club. Couple of the reasons are the numbers from the 55 associations and inclusiveness USYS provides a completely open and natural pathway from the grassroots of street soccer and smallest of clubs or even single teams, all the way to the MLS and its academies: MLS /USYS announce new ground breaking partnershipwhich ties with this which is as inclusive and complete as any general plan I've ever seen in youth sports: Interesting how USYS is now becoming open to both the club vs club approach and team vs team approach. What took them and especially the MLS so long? How different would the youth soccer landscape be nationally if this was done 4 years ago? CCL(the original one up in VA/DC) has been a club-based league since the mid-to-late 90s. They are sanctioned by USYS. This league may have proven the idea well enough that ECNL copied it. Not sure why USYS didnt expand the concept earlier. clubchampionsleague.com/about/
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Post by baller84 on May 22, 2020 17:34:02 GMT -5
CCLs is club based out of the Northeast but not listed as one of the National League Conferences on the USYS website. It's sitting by itself so I'm confused whether is the same thing or a step down if they're isolated and they're requiring them to be part of a State competition to get to National Championship series. For example the Frontier Conference which is club to club with FC Dallas, the Texans, Solar etc are listed under National League Conferences and they're eligible for National Championships and all the Showcases as well.
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Post by footyfan on May 22, 2020 18:35:33 GMT -5
CCLs is club based out of the Northeast but not listed as one of the National League Conferences on the USYS website. It's sitting by itself so I'm confused whether is the same thing or a step down if they're isolated and they're requiring them to be part of a State competition to get to National Championship series. For example the Frontier Conference which is club to club with FC Dallas, the Texans, Solar etc are listed under National League Conferences and they're eligible for National Championships and all the Showcases as well. "NATIONAL LEAGUES ALLIANCE (click here): In April 2019, US Youth Soccer announced that the CCL would be one of four leagues to pioneer the US Youth Soccer League Championship which offers a direct pathway to the Eastern Regional Championship (link). At the same time, the National League Alliance was launched to unite leagues across the United States. The Alliance was created to bring like-minded soccer professionals (whose leagues may have different models) together who want to positively affect change in the youth soccer landscape."
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Post by socceristhebest on May 22, 2020 20:02:42 GMT -5
Sorry - I’ve got no trust or faith in the mls or US soccer
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Post by footyfan on May 22, 2020 20:28:54 GMT -5
Sorry - I’ve got no trust or faith in the mls or US soccer No fan of MLS here, but point of clarity: US Soccer = USSF. At the youth level, both US Club Soccer(ECNL, NPL, SCCL, etc) and US Youth Soccer(CCL, NL, EDP, GA Soccer, etc) are sanctioned by USSF, so saying you are no fan of US Soccer seems odd.
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Post by socceristhebest on May 22, 2020 21:13:15 GMT -5
Sorry - I’ve got no trust or faith in the mls or US soccer No fan of MLS here, but point of clarity: US Soccer = USSF. At the youth level, both US Club Soccer(ECNL, NPL, SCCL, etc) and US Youth Soccer(CCL, NL, EDP, GA Soccer, etc) are sanctioned by USSF, so saying you are no fan of US Soccer seems odd. Sorry - your right. I have zero faith in the mls meddling with youth soccer. I’ve seen and talked to some “mls” scouts in the area. It’s borderline comical what they think is talent. I’ll stop there.
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Post by baller84 on May 23, 2020 8:19:40 GMT -5
No fan of MLS here, but point of clarity: US Soccer = USSF. At the youth level, both US Club Soccer(ECNL, NPL, SCCL, etc) and US Youth Soccer(CCL, NL, EDP, GA Soccer, etc) are sanctioned by USSF, so saying you are no fan of US Soccer seems odd. Sorry - your right. I have zero faith in the mls meddling with youth soccer. I’ve seen and talked to some “mls” scouts in the area. It’s borderline comical what they think is talent. I’ll stop there. Your opinion is respected. I have no faith in current system myself and USSF/DA or US CLUb/ECNL have a proven record of failure. The only "MLS scouts" I know a little, are from Atlanta United and these folks are fantastic in what they do and say (and no, my kid did not make it). We are blessed and lucky to have them, and this owner around. They've given us a great product on the field at the top, and they're all in to support every legit effort to unite youth soccer in Atlanta and beyond. Biggest reason I believe in AU and MLS new efforts is because they're not into all about winning philosophy the youth business is built on but in developing players to become good enough to play on the pro team or valuable enough to be traded to other pro clubs worldwide. Yes of course they play to win but, those are two very different priorities and any real soccer person knows that player development takes precedence over winning, if it comes to it. The investment is for the asset which is the player, not the team's record. Except the youth sports culture we live in is so systemic, the "elite" youth clubs know they would not be able to keep their status without putting winning first AND winning. In that sense the approach to a game between an MLS academy and a typical DA or ECNL club is light years apart. No more about the "who you know to get in" if you're a small club trying to grow the right way only to get swallowed by the big fish, or new club with a fresh start. No more being a victim of letting "current ECNL clubs corner their own market" like ECNL has done and continues to promote. This is NOT how the sport grows or improves. The NTH example alone not only the last couple years but also the years TH was getting rejected for the benefit of current ECNL clubs, speaks volumes about ECNL's true colors. With MLS/USYS earn your place approach there is no ceiling for team or club, and competition is truly open. The door is wide open for every talented player, team, or club or league or even a new startup club of a single team to prove their worth. No team is excluded today because previous teams could not build their club resume yesterday, or ECNL team next door blocks your application to not compete with your club at the same level and recruit your players, or DOC is not "connected" well enough. And while the Atlanta United academy philosophy is not shared by all MLS clubs, some of which don't even invest in youth teams, fortunately they're not the only MLS club thinking the right way. So embracing it is a no brainer to me.
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Post by atlutd17 on May 26, 2020 22:28:44 GMT -5
Sorry - your right. I have zero faith in the mls meddling with youth soccer. I’ve seen and talked to some “mls” scouts in the area. It’s borderline comical what they think is talent. I’ll stop there. Your opinion is respected. I have no faith in current system myself and USSF/DA or US CLUb/ECNL have a proven record of failure. The only "MLS scouts" I know a little, are from Atlanta United and these folks are fantastic in what they do and say (and no, my kid did not make it). We are blessed and lucky to have them, and this owner around. They've given us a great product on the field at the top, and they're all in to support every legit effort to unite youth soccer in Atlanta and beyond. Biggest reason I believe in AU and MLS new efforts is because they're not into all about winning philosophy the youth business is built on but in developing players to become good enough to play on the pro team or valuable enough to be traded to other pro clubs worldwide. Yes of course they play to win but, those are two very different priorities and any real soccer person knows that player development takes precedence over winning, if it comes to it. The investment is for the asset which is the player, not the team's record. Except the youth sports culture we live in is so systemic, the "elite" youth clubs know they would not be able to keep their status without putting winning first AND winning. In that sense the approach to a game between an MLS academy and a typical DA or ECNL club is light years apart. No more about the "who you know to get in" if you're a small club trying to grow the right way only to get swallowed by the big fish, or new club with a fresh start. No more being a victim of letting "current ECNL clubs corner their own market" like ECNL has done and continues to promote. This is NOT how the sport grows or improves. The NTH example alone not only the last couple years but also the years TH was getting rejected for the benefit of current ECNL clubs, speaks volumes about ECNL's true colors. With MLS/USYS earn your place approach there is no ceiling for team or club, and competition is truly open. The door is wide open for every talented player, team, or club or league or even a new startup club of a single team to prove their worth. No team is excluded today because previous teams could not build their club resume yesterday, or ECNL team next door blocks your application to not compete with your club at the same level and recruit your players, or DOC is not "connected" well enough. And while the Atlanta United academy philosophy is not shared by all MLS clubs, some of which don't even invest in youth teams, fortunately they're not the only MLS club thinking the right way. So embracing it is a no brainer to me. The more I learn about the new USL Academy structure and the Development Model the better I like it....
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 27, 2020 9:16:32 GMT -5
Am I missing something? I thought it was just 1 team.
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Post by atlutd17 on May 27, 2020 9:36:10 GMT -5
Am I missing something? I thought it was just 1 team. See youth network variations at bottom of page how they'll involve multiple teams/clubs for the pathway and create parity. Very different than anything else we've seen, good on paper at this point, some questions, will be interesting to see how it shakes out in its implementation.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 27, 2020 14:05:56 GMT -5
I’m just talking about USL academy clubs. They only field one combined U15-U19 team, correct?
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Post by atlutd17 on May 27, 2020 14:24:14 GMT -5
I’m just talking about USL academy clubs. They only field one combined U15-U19 team, correct? Correct and if you make it you're a step away from USL 1st team from Top College (USL2) to Pro (USL) connected. And there is a grassroots pathway to get to the combined team. the article on the idea If you can learn anything about Jimmy Conrad from either his playing career, or his post-playing social media and digital presence, it’s when he throws himself into something, there’s no holding back. In his role at the San Francisco Glens, that same rule applies. “I jump in and help the U-9 co-ed league, and I probably learn more coaching the U-9 co-ed than I learn anywhere else because you’re like, ‘what is even happening here?’” Conrad told he USL’s Ryan Madden during an Instagram Live conversation on Sunday. “I get to see it from a lot of different perspectives.” The perspective that Conrad is looking at things from maybe most often nowadays is that of a coach. Earlier this year he became the Head Coach of the Glens’ USL League Two side, having previously served as the club’s Technical Director. In League Two, he sees a major opportunity not only for the club to boost the collegiate players it brings in each summer, but for the top-level academy players within the club who will now compete against the best pre-professional competition in the country. “We have a kid we signed – Angel [Iniguez], who is 15 years old – and the kid can ball, right, but is he ready [for the next level] yet? Is he ready to take those big, giant steps? Maybe not,” said Conrad. “So, this is a good opportunity, this is a good place for this kid in particular to land amongst many others to give him some experience and see what it’s like. “Maybe you start to play against guys that are coming from Stanford or Cal or any of the other universities that play for us. These are guys that are winning national championships with Stanford, let’s see how this 15-year-old does against these guys. Where else can you provide that platform? It’s very important to have that.” Iniguez is one of the notable talents currently competing for the Glens’ Academy. He was picked out as one of the standouts in last October’s USL Academy Cup Western Conference event in San Antonio, Texas by scouts on hand. Going from that stage to League Two is clearly the next step for a player of his ability, and Conrad has been pleased with the recently unveiled plans for the expansion of the USL Academy League that will provide players like Iniguez and fellow Glens standout Kevin Estrada a visible pathway to the professional ranks. Earlier this year, the San Francisco Glens announced talented 15-year-old Angel Iniguez would be part of the club's USL League Two team this summer, illustrating the connection between the two levels in the organization. | Photo courtesy SF Glens “I thought it was great,” said Conrad. “Anytime that we can cut out the gray area and make it very clear how things are going to work it makes it better for the player, it makes it better for the parent that’s supporting the player, and I think it makes it better for the coaches that are actually developing these players. “I think that by having a USL Academy League, and having a clear idea of how that’s going to work, and being able to somehow reward the clubs that are developing players while making sure the path is very clear, it’s hopefully going to start [moving things in the right direction].” The ability for players to see the pathway into USL League Two – and then beyond that to the professional ranks in League One and the Championship – is night-and-day from when Conrad himself was coming up as a player. There might have been an equivalent to League Two when he was at UCLA in the 1990s, but there wasn’t the sense of a career pathway that could be achieved in the same way that now exists. “This is an amazing stepping-stone. This didn’t exist when I was a kid,” said Conrad, who believes his job now is not only to immerse his high-level talent in experiences that will take them as far as he went in the game, but also to make sure he’s doing everything he can to smooth their path foward as well. “What needs probably to be done better – even from my standpoint – is coaches calling and really going to bat for their players that can play and doing that more consistently,” said Conrad. “I can’t speak enough about the platform, and as the communication continues to get better between all the levels I think it’s going to make things more efficient and ultimately get those players that can play up to the higher levels quicker.”
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