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Post by messindreams on May 25, 2020 23:50:49 GMT -5
I am curious to understand whether you think we will have fall season training and games or not. With all the tryout madness in full swing this question is important for parents to understand and decide on whether they want to pay or not.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 26, 2020 7:47:33 GMT -5
I vote partial season, will be cancelled October
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Post by soccerelite11 on May 26, 2020 8:01:19 GMT -5
I say no there will not be but the clubs will not say that because they need to get at least some of the parents money. They are going to stretch it out and make it appear that there could be a season until it becomes obvious that it can’t happen. There is no way to play soccer games and social distance without completely changing the game itself. Pay a small deposit to hold your kids spot until practices start in the fall. If it looks like there will be a season then pay the rest. It is easier to pay later than to try and battle with your club to get your money back.
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Post by bogan on May 26, 2020 8:16:36 GMT -5
I vote partial season, will be cancelled October Yep-there will be a smfall season...probably get in a few weeks and then it’s over unless we get a vaccine. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 26, 2020 8:40:48 GMT -5
I say no there will not be but the clubs will not say that because they need to get at least some of the parents money. They are going to stretch it out and make it appear that there could be a season until it becomes obvious that it can’t happen. There is no way to play soccer games and social distance without completely changing the game itself. Pay a small deposit to hold your kids spot until practices start in the fall. If it looks like there will be a season then pay the rest. It is easier to pay later than to try and battle with your club to get your money back. Well considering clubs like SSA (and I assume others will follow suit) have all said that if a season is not played all money will be refunded, and if it is only a partial season there will be a pro-rated refund based on how many weeks were missed, I'm not so sure this is necessarily true. Another point anyone putting down $150 or whatever small amount there is now, have 90 days to charge back their credit card. So we are looking at late August at this point where you can still call back your credit card tell them the service promised wasn't provided and get it charged back. So a parent really doesn't even have to argue with the club to get their money back if they don't start at all, and by all accounts we should know something by late July to first week or two of August. Lastly and I'll get a little statistical here, why in the heck would kids at that point have to social distance or not play games. Why are so many people on here so scared of this thing? I say that and only a handful of people say no there won't be a season. The majority say there will be which means honestly the silent majority thinks the same way I do. This won't stop fall sports. Let me give you some more statistics: As of 5/16 CDC official numbers: Ages <1 - 24: 88 deaths covid-19 14,962 all other causes of death Based on the death count as of 5/16: Ages 65+: 80.6% of the deaths from covid-19 Basically when it boils down to it for youth they are one of the safest groups of humans on the planet versus covid-19 which is unlike flu or many other viruses where they are sometimes the most susceptible. Kids have almost no chance of dying of this. They have a bigger chance of dying in many other things such as riding in the car with you than dying of this. The stats are clear if you are under 65 and especially if you are a kid you are very unlikely to die from this thing. There is no reason to have all these draconian guidelines for schools, sports, etc.... Given the statistics sensible guidelines are as follows: 1) Unless you have tested positive for antibodies for covid-19 no one 65+ should be spectating a youth soccer game or be around kids that have played youth sports for at least 7 days after the youth was playing or training. (CDC guidelines say any person with potential exposure where symptoms do not show up are good to go back to work after 7 days) 2) Youth and/or parents of youth should not come in contact with friends or family or anyone else 65+ for at least 7 days after training or games. 3) Youth and/or parents that live with a 65+ person or immuno-compromised person should either not participate in youth sports for the time being, or quarantine the 65+ older person to not be around them in the house. 4) If the youth has a immune system issue or pre-existing condition known to be a problem with covid-19 they should not participate in youth sports. 5) If need be have every spectator and/or guardian of players sign saying they do not hold county/city or club responsible if someone gets sick or dies from covid-19. That fixes all issues and allows our kids to live their lives instead of robbing them of their childhood. |
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Post by sanesoccerdad on May 26, 2020 8:51:39 GMT -5
2) Youth and/or parents of youth should not come in contact with friends or family or anyone else 65+ for at least 7 days after training or games. There are some pretty deep societal implications of this one. Just cut off all the old people from contact with anyone related to a kid that plays soccer? For at least some people with valued, living parents/grandparents that is a tough sell. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 26, 2020 9:11:36 GMT -5
2) Youth and/or parents of youth should not come in contact with friends or family or anyone else 65+ for at least 7 days after training or games. There are some pretty deep societal implications of this one. Just cut off all the old people from contact with anyone related to a kid that plays soccer? For at least some people with valued, living parents/grandparents that is a tough sell. I agree with this completely. My parents are over 65 and under normal circumstances see my kids a ton. They even drive them to and from soccer practice at least once every few weeks. There is NO way that my kids would agree to not see their grandparents. They also would not give up soccer, especially the older one who is trying to play D1. So ask your kids to choose between family and soccer?!?! Secondly there are some kids whose parents are actually that old. Yes. It is possible to be 65 and have a 15 year old kid. Regardless I actually think that we will not be social distancing in sports by fall. They are allowing fall sport college athletes to return to campus June 8th. The restrictions will still be to recommend social distancing when possible, but this is not an all or nothing thing. You can play soccer with contact but then social distance at restaurants and school etc. I just watched 3 different tryouts with my oldest and every one of them had contact during the tryout. They also did spread far apart when not playing and when doing non contact drills so time spent close to each other was less than a normal practice/tryout. No hugs were given. No handshakes. It is a hybrid of social distancing when possible and playing the game when needed. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 26, 2020 10:15:56 GMT -5
There are some pretty deep societal implications of this one. Just cut off all the old people from contact with anyone related to a kid that plays soccer? For at least some people with valued, living parents/grandparents that is a tough sell. I agree with this completely. My parents are over 65 and under normal circumstances see my kids a ton. They even drive them to and from soccer practice at least once every few weeks. There is NO way that my kids would agree to not see their grandparents. They also would not give up soccer, especially the older one who is trying to play D1. So ask your kids to choose between family and soccer?!?! Secondly there are some kids whose parents are actually that old. Yes. It is possible to be 65 and have a 15 year old kid. Regardless I actually think that we will not be social distancing in sports by fall. They are allowing fall sport college athletes to return to campus June 8th. The restrictions will still be to recommend social distancing when possible, but this is not an all or nothing thing. You can play soccer with contact but then social distance at restaurants and school etc. I just watched 3 different tryouts with my oldest and every one of them had contact during the tryout. They also did spread far apart when not playing and when doing non contact drills so time spent close to each other was less than a normal practice/tryout. No hugs were given. No handshakes. It is a hybrid of social distancing when possible and playing the game when needed. See but you have conflicting statements here. You say that your kids aren't going to choose between older family and soccer, but yet that decision is going to be made one way or another and not by you unless the decision is to let them play and your kids and you decide not to play if their grandparents can't see it. No offense, as I'm not intending it to be, but if my guidelines were in place, are you not being a little selfish on not allowing all other kids that don't have those issues to play or to at least make their own decisions? My point is open it up, and let we the customer and people decide what is best for our kids. No new norm, no social distancing. Just let them play soccer, and the kids and parents that don't feel comfortable doing so, just take a season off. That way your are not unfairly restricting people that want to return to play. I also would go a step further, if you are 65+ and want to see your kids or grand kids game by all means come, but know that you are taking a higher risk than younger people on your own health, and don't get sue happy when or if you get sick or die. Frankly if I was 65+ (like my parents) I would do just as they have been doing. Wear a mask, and go about their business. They have not gotten sick yet, but yet they know if they do they might be more likely to be hospitalized or dying. I accept their decision and don't try to force them to stay at home or not see my kids. My point in all of this (school, big college and pro sporting events, etc...) open it all up and let the people decide what is best for them, and for the ones that decide to stay home, don't start with the whole "its not fair" or "you are putting others lives at risk" in some type of virtue signaling crap because you chose to stay home. There are calculated risks in everything we do. As long as the hospitals are shored up to be able to take any influx of hospital cases, open everything back up. |
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Post by baller84 on May 26, 2020 10:30:16 GMT -5
Considering how most parks and rec are controlled and risk of liability passed around among politicians like a hot potato, I would not be too optimistic. I hope I'm wrong but if it starts may be a cluster...
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Post by mistergrinch on May 26, 2020 10:49:35 GMT -5
So Maxx.. you think that it'll open back up and a second wave will hit around October? That's where your money is?
I have no idea.. but I can see that as a possibility.
I'd still pay for an August-Oct half season.. better than nothing.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 26, 2020 10:55:28 GMT -5
@slickdaddy
I am not being contradictory. I am saying it will be opened up and we should not restrict access to our 65 and up crowd. But I am saying that age discrimination should not be done. Neither should we discriminate against kids with minor health conditions that don't normally stop them from playing soccer. Either you open to everyone or no one. People can decide if they want their kids to participate but I don't like any guidelines that discriminate against people including age discrimination as you suggest.
Personally I am happy to let my kids play soccer (as they have been doing). They do not go to the store without a mask though. I just limit where they are exposed. I find the exposure to other kids (who I actually know) is minimal risk but in a big store where there are dozens of stupid people being irresponsible is a bigger risk.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 26, 2020 10:57:06 GMT -5
@slickdaddy I am not being contradictory. I am saying it will be opened up and we should not restrict access to our 65 and up crowd. But I am saying that age discrimination should not be done. Neither should we discriminate against kids with minor health conditions that don't normally stop them from playing soccer. Either you open to everyone or no one. People can decide if they want their kids to participate but I don't like any guidelines that discriminate against people including age discrimination as you suggest. Personally I am happy to let my kids play soccer (as they have been doing). They do not go to the store without a mask though. I just limit where they are exposed. I find the exposure to other kids (who I actually know) is minimal risk but in a big store where there are dozens of stupid people being irresponsible is a bigger risk. But I do not agree with opening pro sport events attended by the general public. Huge gatherings are not smart. They just aren't. Sorry. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 26, 2020 11:34:22 GMT -5
Agreed. No need to create hot zones like that for a while.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 26, 2020 11:42:00 GMT -5
@slickdaddy I am not being contradictory. I am saying it will be opened up and we should not restrict access to our 65 and up crowd. But I am saying that age discrimination should not be done. Neither should we discriminate against kids with minor health conditions that don't normally stop them from playing soccer. Either you open to everyone or no one. People can decide if they want their kids to participate but I don't like any guidelines that discriminate against people including age discrimination as you suggest. Personally I am happy to let my kids play soccer (as they have been doing). They do not go to the store without a mask though. I just limit where they are exposed. I find the exposure to other kids (who I actually know) is minimal risk but in a big store where there are dozens of stupid people being irresponsible is a bigger risk. But I do not agree with opening pro sport events attended by the general public. Huge gatherings are not smart. They just aren't. Sorry. Then you really aren't ok with people making their own decisions and judging their on risk/reward on what activities are safe and which are not. It is the same as youth events or anything else. If you feel it isn't in your or your family's best interest then don't attend. With the survival rate as high as it is and the majority of deaths being older people, I just can't see how the guidelines of no large gatherings are statistically reasonable to keep. The stats just don't seem to be big enough to restrict all of this stuff. The restrictions and guidelines were originally put in place to keep the hospitals from getting overwhelmed and now that has been solved in all of the country including NYC. It was never about stopping the virus or really even about stopping deaths other than keeping the hospitals from being overwhelmed. It seems all these guidelines now are all moving the goalposts, and honestly I believe that was always the secret goal was to tell people it was to shore up hospitals to not cause panic and rioting, but then keep pushing and extending rules for 12-18 months till a vaccine was available which is nonsense. I for one will be using my football season tickets this year, and I hope all the scared politicians and people don't screw it up for the people that want to attend things like that, and I'll sign whatever form is necessary to tell the venue or wherever I will not sue them if me or any member of my family gets covid-19 or dies from covid-19. Frankly Congress needs to fix liability issues for all businesses, non-profits or anywhere else that open up saying that none can be held liable as long as there is no gross negligence when it comes to covid-19. |
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Post by soccerelite11 on May 26, 2020 13:12:06 GMT -5
I say no there will not be but the clubs will not say that because they need to get at least some of the parents money. They are going to stretch it out and make it appear that there could be a season until it becomes obvious that it can’t happen. There is no way to play soccer games and social distance without completely changing the game itself. Pay a small deposit to hold your kids spot until practices start in the fall. If it looks like there will be a season then pay the rest. It is easier to pay later than to try and battle with your club to get your money back. Well considering clubs like SSA (and I assume others will follow suit) have all said that if a season is not played all money will be refunded, and if it is only a partial season there will be a pro-rated refund based on how many weeks were missed, I'm not so sure this is necessarily true. Another point anyone putting down $150 or whatever small amount there is now, have 90 days to charge back their credit card. So we are looking at late August at this point where you can still call back your credit card tell them the service promised wasn't provided and get it charged back. So a parent really doesn't even have to argue with the club to get their money back if they don't start at all, and by all accounts we should know something by late July to first week or two of August. Lastly and I'll get a little statistical here, why in the heck would kids at that point have to social distance or not play games. Why are so many people on here so scared of this thing? I say that and only a handful of people say no there won't be a season. The majority say there will be which means honestly the silent majority thinks the same way I do. This won't stop fall sports. Let me give you some more statistics: As of 5/16 CDC official numbers: Ages <1 - 24: 88 deaths covid-19 14,962 all other causes of death Based on the death count as of 5/16: Ages 65+: 80.6% of the deaths from covid-19 Basically when it boils down to it for youth they are one of the safest groups of humans on the planet versus covid-19 which is unlike flu or many other viruses where they are sometimes the most susceptible. Kids have almost no chance of dying of this. They have a bigger chance of dying in many other things such as riding in the car with you than dying of this. The stats are clear if you are under 65 and especially if you are a kid you are very unlikely to die from this thing. There is no reason to have all these draconian guidelines for schools, sports, etc.... Given the statistics sensible guidelines are as follows: 1) Unless you have tested positive for antibodies for covid-19 no one 65+ should be spectating a youth soccer game or be around kids that have played youth sports for at least 7 days after the youth was playing or training. (CDC guidelines say any person with potential exposure where symptoms do not show up are good to go back to work after 7 days) 2) Youth and/or parents of youth should not come in contact with friends or family or anyone else 65+ for at least 7 days after training or games. 3) Youth and/or parents that live with a 65+ person or immuno-compromised person should either not participate in youth sports for the time being, or quarantine the 65+ older person to not be around them in the house. 4) If the youth has a immune system issue or pre-existing condition known to be a problem with covid-19 they should not participate in youth sports. 5) If need be have every spectator and/or guardian of players sign saying they do not hold county/city or club responsible if someone gets sick or dies from covid-19. That fixes all issues and allows our kids to live their lives instead of robbing them of their childhood. I think the responses on this poll are a mixture of people who “think” there will be a fall season and those that “want” there to be a fall season in my humble opinion. |
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Post by atlutd17 on May 26, 2020 13:30:55 GMT -5
Agreed. No need to create hot zones like that for a while. At the same time MLS needs to get in action to survive or they lose all the top players ... Europe already started back up with no fans. Having games resume with no fans or scattered fans (say up to 25% capacity) is better than no play. That's their economy and they have to open back for business too, somehow, like all of us. |
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Post by kidsocceruber on May 26, 2020 13:50:42 GMT -5
Everyone is talking about death, but not talking about living through the virus for 2 weeks while you have it(which may be mild, may be severe but you probably will live). If someone told you going to this sporting event you will get the flu and be sick for a week, you definitely would weigh the expected outcome with the benefit of attending the event. If you'd think twice about attending with coming down with the flu, i'm going to guess you'd think a little longer about coming down with covid.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 26, 2020 14:13:33 GMT -5
Agreed. No need to create hot zones like that for a while. At the same time MLS needs to get in action to survive or they lose all the top players ... Europe already started back up with no fans. Having games resume with no fans or scattered fans (say up to 25% capacity) is better than no play. That's their economy and they have to open back for business too, somehow, like all of us. Thus far the only major European country to resume (major by soccer standards) was Germany. Coincidentally that is also the country who handled the virus the best. England has not yet resumed and is rumored to have their start pushed back from the June 12th date they had been targeting. France canceled altogether as did some of the lesser (by soccer standards) countries. Spain and Italy are still working towards games without fans. I hope we get MLS back as games without fans initially and if we can get to games with fans if the pressure on the hospitals is not present then I am happy to see that as well. |
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Post by atlutd17 on May 26, 2020 15:24:02 GMT -5
At the same time MLS needs to get in action to survive or they lose all the top players ... Europe already started back up with no fans. Having games resume with no fans or scattered fans (say up to 25% capacity) is better than no play. That's their economy and they have to open back for business too, somehow, like all of us. Thus far the only major European country to resume (major by soccer standards) was Germany. Coincidentally that is also the country who handled the virus the best. England has not yet resumed and is rumored to have their start pushed back from the June 12th date they had been targeting. France canceled altogether as did some of the lesser (by soccer standards) countries. Spain and Italy are still working towards games without fans. I hope we get MLS back as games without fans initially and if we can get to games with fans if the pressure on the hospitals is not present then I am happy to see that as well. Correct on major markets but there are also some smaller countries that either started or starting next 2 weeks, mainly countries that acted early and had far fewer cases or deaths than the bigger countries. Point however is, MLS has to find a way to resume before next year even even if that means without fans, or there will be no MLS as we know it. But that can only happen if the TV networks save the day. |
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Post by SoccerMom on May 26, 2020 18:01:45 GMT -5
There are some pretty deep societal implications of this one. Just cut off all the old people from contact with anyone related to a kid that plays soccer? For at least some people with valued, living parents/grandparents that is a tough sell. I agree with this completely. My parents are over 65 and under normal circumstances see my kids a ton. They even drive them to and from soccer practice at least once every few weeks. There is NO way that my kids would agree to not see their grandparents. They also would not give up soccer, especially the older one who is trying to play D1. So ask your kids to choose between family and soccer?!?! Secondly there are some kids whose parents are actually that old. Yes. It is possible to be 65 and have a 15 year old kid. Regardless I actually think that we will not be social distancing in sports by fall. They are allowing fall sport college athletes to return to campus June 8th. The restrictions will still be to recommend social distancing when possible, but this is not an all or nothing thing. You can play soccer with contact but then social distance at restaurants and school etc. I just watched 3 different tryouts with my oldest and every one of them had contact during the tryout. They also did spread far apart when not playing and when doing non contact drills so time spent close to each other was less than a normal practice/tryout. No hugs were given. No handshakes. It is a hybrid of social distancing when possible and playing the game when needed. So your solution would be for no one to play since it wouldn't work for your family? The way I see it is this, no one is forcing anyone to go play. Some parents just need to tell their kids that its their decision that they will not play and not the clubs. Its like they would rather no one play so they don't have to be the bad guy. Some are willing to take the risk and some are not, and thats their right. But its very selfish to expect all kids to take a season off because it just doesn't work for some. Is soccer a contact sport? Yes 6ft distance will not work for soccer, if it doesn't work for you or your family, then its time to pick a new sport. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 26, 2020 18:43:08 GMT -5
I agree with this completely. My parents are over 65 and under normal circumstances see my kids a ton. They even drive them to and from soccer practice at least once every few weeks. There is NO way that my kids would agree to not see their grandparents. They also would not give up soccer, especially the older one who is trying to play D1. So ask your kids to choose between family and soccer?!?! Secondly there are some kids whose parents are actually that old. Yes. It is possible to be 65 and have a 15 year old kid. Regardless I actually think that we will not be social distancing in sports by fall. They are allowing fall sport college athletes to return to campus June 8th. The restrictions will still be to recommend social distancing when possible, but this is not an all or nothing thing. You can play soccer with contact but then social distance at restaurants and school etc. I just watched 3 different tryouts with my oldest and every one of them had contact during the tryout. They also did spread far apart when not playing and when doing non contact drills so time spent close to each other was less than a normal practice/tryout. No hugs were given. No handshakes. It is a hybrid of social distancing when possible and playing the game when needed. So your solution would be for no one to play since it wouldn't work for your family? The way I see it is this, no one is forcing anyone to go play. Some parents just need to tell their kids that its their decision that they will not play and not the clubs. Its like they would rather no one play so they don't have to be the bad guy. Some are willing to take the risk and some are not, and thats their right. But its very selfish to expect all kids to take a season off because it just doesn't work for some. Is soccer a contact sport? Yes 6ft distance will not work for soccer, if it doesn't work for you or your family, then its time to pick a new sport. I think there is some misunderstanding here. I am not saying that no one should play because it doesn't work for my family. My kids have already been trying out with contact and have been seeing their grandparents. I am less afraid of my kids, me, my spouse or my parents getting sick from soccer than I am from a lot of other things. I was just saying that OTHER people should not say that kids can't play AND see their older family members or they need to quarantine their older family members. The comments made by the poster with his proposed guidelines are age discrimination! He has for the entire COVID time wanted to lock up the "elderly" (65+) crowd so that they would not mess up HIS freedoms! He currently suggested that kids with close contacts over 65 should not play or should just avoid their contacts over 65. That was the point to which I was responding. It is EQUALLY selfish to suggest that other people should only follow your way of dealing with things. I can tell you that I am a very unselfish person and I resent someone misconstruing my comments to imply that I am selfish. I am just against discrimination for ANY reason including age! |
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Post by SoccerMom on May 26, 2020 19:09:44 GMT -5
So your solution would be for no one to play since it wouldn't work for your family? The way I see it is this, no one is forcing anyone to go play. Some parents just need to tell their kids that its their decision that they will not play and not the clubs. Its like they would rather no one play so they don't have to be the bad guy. Some are willing to take the risk and some are not, and thats their right. But its very selfish to expect all kids to take a season off because it just doesn't work for some. Is soccer a contact sport? Yes 6ft distance will not work for soccer, if it doesn't work for you or your family, then its time to pick a new sport. I think there is some misunderstanding here. I am not saying that no one should play because it doesn't work for my family. My kids have already been trying out with contact and have been seeing their grandparents. I am less afraid of my kids, me, my spouse or my parents getting sick from soccer than I am from a lot of other things. I was just saying that OTHER people should not say that kids can't play AND see their older family members or they need to quarantine their older family members. The comments made by the poster with his proposed guidelines are age discrimination! He has for the entire COVID time wanted to lock up the "elderly" (65+) crowd so that they would not mess up HIS freedoms! He currently suggested that kids with close contacts over 65 should not play or should just avoid their contacts over 65. That was the point to which I was responding. It is EQUALLY selfish to suggest that other people should only follow your way of dealing with things. I can tell you that I am a very unselfish person and I resent someone misconstruing my comments to imply that I am selfish. I am just against discrimination for ANY reason including age! I read his guidelines as suggestions. On the other hand you specifically said that how dare anyone ask your kids to choose between soccer and their grandparents. You say one thing in one post and when called out you contradict yourself. |
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Post by soccernotfootball on May 26, 2020 19:25:17 GMT -5
I think there is some misunderstanding here. I am not saying that no one should play because it doesn't work for my family. My kids have already been trying out with contact and have been seeing their grandparents. I am less afraid of my kids, me, my spouse or my parents getting sick from soccer than I am from a lot of other things. I was just saying that OTHER people should not say that kids can't play AND see their older family members or they need to quarantine their older family members. The comments made by the poster with his proposed guidelines are age discrimination! He has for the entire COVID time wanted to lock up the "elderly" (65+) crowd so that they would not mess up HIS freedoms! He currently suggested that kids with close contacts over 65 should not play or should just avoid their contacts over 65. That was the point to which I was responding. It is EQUALLY selfish to suggest that other people should only follow your way of dealing with things. I can tell you that I am a very unselfish person and I resent someone misconstruing my comments to imply that I am selfish. I am just against discrimination for ANY reason including age! I read his guidelines as suggestions. On the other hand you specifically said that how dare anyone ask your kids to choose between soccer and their grandparents. You say one thing in one post and when called out you contradict yourself. Everyone's got to make their own decisions - of course. I'll say this - my player's grandparents would never want the kid to stop living their life for them. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 26, 2020 20:04:44 GMT -5
I think there is some misunderstanding here. I am not saying that no one should play because it doesn't work for my family. My kids have already been trying out with contact and have been seeing their grandparents. I am less afraid of my kids, me, my spouse or my parents getting sick from soccer than I am from a lot of other things. I was just saying that OTHER people should not say that kids can't play AND see their older family members or they need to quarantine their older family members. The comments made by the poster with his proposed guidelines are age discrimination! He has for the entire COVID time wanted to lock up the "elderly" (65+) crowd so that they would not mess up HIS freedoms! He currently suggested that kids with close contacts over 65 should not play or should just avoid their contacts over 65. That was the point to which I was responding. It is EQUALLY selfish to suggest that other people should only follow your way of dealing with things. I can tell you that I am a very unselfish person and I resent someone misconstruing my comments to imply that I am selfish. I am just against discrimination for ANY reason including age! I read his guidelines as suggestions. On the other hand you specifically said that how dare anyone ask your kids to choose between soccer and their grandparents. You say one thing in one post and when called out you contradict yourself. I never said "how dare." If you had read the entire first post you would have seen my statements saying that my kids were already doing soccer in non-social distancing conditions and seeing their grandparents. I just stated that his "guidelines" were a form of age discrimination. My big issue here is that all of the people on this forum are spouting out pseudoscience when trying to justify this or that. As for contradicting myself...I am not. I was pointing out flaws in his "guidelines." We all have our line in the sand. I have been taking my kids to soccer training the entire time. Even during the supposed shelter in place order. However I finally dined outside at a restaurant only a few days ago and felt very uncomfortable with that. It is all about time spent in proximity. I fully believe that we can train these kids for 1 hour at a social distance and then do 30 minutes of training that involves contact throughout the summer with low risk. That is lower risk that going to a restaurant or a shopping mall. I just think people should wear masks for as many things as possible and prioritize their activities so that they can still get some joy out of their lives but minimize the risk to themselves AND OTHERS. There is a middle ground. |
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Post by baller84 on May 28, 2020 18:15:38 GMT -5
Thus far the only major European country to resume (major by soccer standards) was Germany. Coincidentally that is also the country who handled the virus the best. England has not yet resumed and is rumored to have their start pushed back from the June 12th date they had been targeting. France canceled altogether as did some of the lesser (by soccer standards) countries. Spain and Italy are still working towards games without fans. I hope we get MLS back as games without fans initially and if we can get to games with fans if the pressure on the hospitals is not present then I am happy to see that as well. Correct on major markets but there are also some smaller countries that either started or starting next 2 weeks, mainly countries that acted early and had far fewer cases or deaths than the bigger countries. Point however is, MLS has to find a way to resume before next year even even if that means without fans, or there will be no MLS as we know it. But that can only happen if the TV networks save the day. Many European leagues will resume next month. EPL announced couple postponed matches for June 17 (Aston Villa v Sheffield Utd and Man City v Arsenal), so all teams have the same amount of remaining matches left to play starting Friday 6/19. |
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