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Post by Soccerhouse on May 26, 2020 14:05:25 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 26, 2020 14:27:56 GMT -5
Tip of the iceberg. Imagine if college football is shutdown in the fall. All the dominoes would fall.
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Post by newposter on May 26, 2020 15:30:21 GMT -5
Another program cut due to Covid and Title IX. Unfortunately, more are likely to be added.
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Post by baller84 on May 26, 2020 15:48:47 GMT -5
Another program cut due to Covid and Title IX. Unfortunately, more are likely to be added. True, and some serious players will drop college athletics. They might look to join a USL club even if that means dropping school, or transferring to a school closer to a USL club to get an education too. |
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Post by newposter on May 26, 2020 16:19:26 GMT -5
University of Cincinnati also dropped Mens soccer.
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Post by atv on May 26, 2020 17:55:08 GMT -5
What a shame. Ap State beat UNC Chapel Hill this year on the road! Men’s College Soccer is a House of Cards.
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Post by cltdds on May 26, 2020 20:05:16 GMT -5
I graduated from App State. My son was looking at playing there but chose academics over athletics. This is sad on so many levels. I fear we will see more schools drop soccer.
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Post by krazykickers on May 26, 2020 20:28:27 GMT -5
Putting on my devils advocate hat: I do find it odd to only cut the men's soccer at App (and these other schools cutting baseball and men's lacrosse) but not cut the women's teams. Isn't this doing exactly the opposite of Title IX? Will there be lawsuits? At the moment it sure seems cuts have mainly been to the men's teams so this has resulted in decreased athletic opportunities for males (opposite of Title IX).
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Post by SoccerMom on May 26, 2020 20:40:20 GMT -5
Athletics programs are considered educational programs and activities. There are three basic parts of Title IX as it applies to athletics:
Participation: Title IX requires that women and men be provided equitable opportunities to participate in sports. Title IX does not require institutions to offer identical sports but an equal opportunity to play;
Scholarships: Title IX requires that female and male student-athletes receive athletics scholarship dollars proportional to their participation; and
Other benefits: Title IX requires the equal treatment of female and male student-athletes in the provisions of: (a) equipment and supplies; (b) scheduling of games and practice times; (c) travel and daily allowance/per diem; (d) access to tutoring; (e) coaching, (f) locker rooms, practice and competitive facilities; (g) medical and training facilities and services; (h) housing and dining facilities and services; (i) publicity and promotions; (j) support services and (k) recruitment of student-athletes.
If they cut women's sports they would need to cut even more men's sports. Unfortunately Football is what decides it all
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Post by mightydawg on May 26, 2020 20:56:29 GMT -5
Athletics programs are considered educational programs and activities. There are three basic parts of Title IX as it applies to athletics: Participation: Title IX requires that women and men be provided equitable opportunities to participate in sports. Title IX does not require institutions to offer identical sports but an equal opportunity to play; Scholarships: Title IX requires that female and male student-athletes receive athletics scholarship dollars proportional to their participation; and Other benefits: Title IX requires the equal treatment of female and male student-athletes in the provisions of: (a) equipment and supplies; (b) scheduling of games and practice times; (c) travel and daily allowance/per diem; (d) access to tutoring; (e) coaching, (f) locker rooms, practice and competitive facilities; (g) medical and training facilities and services; (h) housing and dining facilities and services; (i) publicity and promotions; (j) support services and (k) recruitment of student-athletes. If they cut women's sports they would need to cut even more men's sports. Unfortunately Football is what decides it all Football is what pays for it all. Revenue sports that pay for all of the non-revenue sports should be excluded from Title IX calculations. |
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Post by SoccerMom on May 26, 2020 20:58:12 GMT -5
Athletics programs are considered educational programs and activities. There are three basic parts of Title IX as it applies to athletics: Participation: Title IX requires that women and men be provided equitable opportunities to participate in sports. Title IX does not require institutions to offer identical sports but an equal opportunity to play; Scholarships: Title IX requires that female and male student-athletes receive athletics scholarship dollars proportional to their participation; and Other benefits: Title IX requires the equal treatment of female and male student-athletes in the provisions of: (a) equipment and supplies; (b) scheduling of games and practice times; (c) travel and daily allowance/per diem; (d) access to tutoring; (e) coaching, (f) locker rooms, practice and competitive facilities; (g) medical and training facilities and services; (h) housing and dining facilities and services; (i) publicity and promotions; (j) support services and (k) recruitment of student-athletes. If they cut women's sports they would need to cut even more men's sports. Unfortunately Football is what decides it all Football is what pays for it all. Revenue sports that pay for all of the revenue sports should be excluded from Title IX calculations. If you did that, then there would be no women sports 🤷🏻♀️ |
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Post by Keeper on May 26, 2020 21:59:49 GMT -5
Football is what pays for it all. Revenue sports that pay for all of the revenue sports should be excluded from Title IX calculations. If you did that, then there would be no women sports 🤷🏻♀️ And if it’s all about the money then why aren’t we paying these athletes? This just sucks all around. Part of me says that Football should have an exemption from Title IX, I mean we all know this is a sexist country so let’s just admit it and try to do better. |
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Post by newposter on May 26, 2020 22:21:08 GMT -5
Title IX is politically used. Look at the differences in the Dear Colleague letters for sexual harassment complaints between Pres. Obama's and Pres. Trumps administration. Obama's was basically if complainant said it happened, it did as there was no cross examination of witnesses and very low level of proof. Now there is a higher standard and the ACLU filed suit. Go figure...
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Post by atv on May 27, 2020 5:25:45 GMT -5
App State Official Announcement
Men’s soccer, men’s tennis and men’s indoor track & field programs discontinued, among other cost-cutting measures
BOONE, N.C. – In response to the financial impact of the COVID-19 pandemic and in an effort to position App State Athletics for future success, Director of Athletics Doug Gillin announced Tuesday that the department is reducing its operating budget and discontinuing the varsity sports of men's soccer, men's tennis and men's indoor track & field.
Effective immediately, the three sports are being discontinued following a detailed review of the university's sport offerings and the long-term budget implications of supporting the current number of student-athletes. The decision was supported Tuesday by Chancellor Sheri Everts and the Appalachian State University Board of Trustees.
"This is a very difficult day for the entire App Family," Gillin said. "Our mission is to guide and support our student-athletes in their quest for excellence academically, athletically and socially. After careful and thoughtful review, we determined that we could no longer sustain 20 program offerings in a fiscally responsible manner. Since the move to FBS, App State has sponsored the most sports in the Sun Belt and among the most in the Group of Five. This will bring us in line with most of our peer institutions.
"We appreciate everyone who has supported these Mountaineer programs over the years, including current and former coaches, current and former student-athletes, their families, donors and fans. Your legacy is important to us."
Scholarships will be honored for affected student-athletes who wish to return to App State, as well as for incoming signees. The department will provide support to student-athletes who would like to transfer to another institution.
With the change, App State will now sponsor 17 NCAA Division I sports (seven men's sports and 10 women's sports). The Mountaineers will continue to compete in men's cross country and men's outdoor track & field.
Sport reductions are part of a 20 percent overall reduction to the athletics department's budget for fiscal year 2021, which equates to an approximate $5 million reduction. In mid-March, the department limited all remaining operating expenses for fiscal year 2020, which ends June 30
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Post by hokesmyth on May 27, 2020 13:03:02 GMT -5
There's a report that a college pres investigated, and found that the tuition, room and board, and fees paid by athletes in the non-revenue sports far exceeds the expenses of the sports.
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Post by bogan on May 27, 2020 13:07:46 GMT -5
There's a report that a college pres investigated, and found that the tuition, room and board, and fees paid by athletes in the non-revenue sports far exceeds the expenses of the sports. ...but not the salaries of the administration.🤣 |
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Post by atlutd17 on May 27, 2020 21:20:18 GMT -5
App State Official Announcement Men’s soccer, men’s tennis and men’s indoor track & field programs discontinued, among other cost-cutting measures BOONE, N.C. – In response to the financial impact of the COVID-19 pandemic and in an effort to position App State Athletics for future success, Director of Athletics Doug Gillin announced Tuesday that the department is reducing its operating budget and discontinuing the varsity sports of men's soccer, men's tennis and men's indoor track & field. Effective immediately, the three sports are being discontinued following a detailed review of the university's sport offerings and the long-term budget implications of supporting the current number of student-athletes. The decision was supported Tuesday by Chancellor Sheri Everts and the Appalachian State University Board of Trustees. "This is a very difficult day for the entire App Family," Gillin said. "Our mission is to guide and support our student-athletes in their quest for excellence academically, athletically and socially. After careful and thoughtful review, we determined that we could no longer sustain 20 program offerings in a fiscally responsible manner. Since the move to FBS, App State has sponsored the most sports in the Sun Belt and among the most in the Group of Five. This will bring us in line with most of our peer institutions. "We appreciate everyone who has supported these Mountaineer programs over the years, including current and former coaches, current and former student-athletes, their families, donors and fans. Your legacy is important to us." Scholarships will be honored for affected student-athletes who wish to return to App State, as well as for incoming signees. The department will provide support to student-athletes who would like to transfer to another institution. With the change, App State will now sponsor 17 NCAA Division I sports (seven men's sports and 10 women's sports). The Mountaineers will continue to compete in men's cross country and men's outdoor track & field. Sport reductions are part of a 20 percent overall reduction to the athletics department's budget for fiscal year 2021, which equates to an approximate $5 million reduction. In mid-March, the department limited all remaining operating expenses for fiscal year 2020, which ends June 30 So, cutting 3 men's and 0 women's sports.... |
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Post by guest on May 28, 2020 6:01:14 GMT -5
And even after cutting these three men’s sports, there are still more opportunities (read: scholarships) for men than women. If you have football, you have money but fewer men’s sports.
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Post by mistergrinch on May 28, 2020 7:22:34 GMT -5
And even after cutting these three men’s sports, there are still more opportunities (read: scholarships) for men than women. If you have football, you have money but fewer men’s sports. yes.. I've had to explain this over the years. It's about scholarship numbers.
Football is 85. So without ANY OTHER men's sports.. you have to have 85 scholarships for women. Now add baseball, basketball, underwater basket weaving.. each of those has to have equivalent women's spots AFTER making up for football.
It's about equal opportunity to play. If you didn't have that rule, with football a school may have 250 sports spots for men, and 70 for women... or none at all.
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Post by atlutd17 on May 28, 2020 8:16:27 GMT -5
And even after cutting these three men’s sports, there are still more opportunities (read: scholarships) for men than women. If you have football, you have money but fewer men’s sports. yes.. I've had to explain this over the years. It's about scholarship numbers.
Football is 85. So without ANY OTHER men's sports.. you have to have 85 scholarships for women. Now add baseball, basketball, underwater basket weaving.. each of those has to have equivalent women's spots AFTER making up for football.
It's about equal opportunity to play. If you didn't have that rule, with football a school may have 250 sports spots for men, and 70 for women... or none at all.
Correct, equal opportunity to play on a scholarship between a male and a female, but certainly not equal between male and a female SOCCER player. USL is beginning to sound better by the day. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 28, 2020 8:22:32 GMT -5
yes.. I've had to explain this over the years. It's about scholarship numbers.
Football is 85. So without ANY OTHER men's sports.. you have to have 85 scholarships for women. Now add baseball, basketball, underwater basket weaving.. each of those has to have equivalent women's spots AFTER making up for football.
It's about equal opportunity to play. If you didn't have that rule, with football a school may have 250 sports spots for men, and 70 for women... or none at all.
Correct, equal opportunity to play on a scholarship between a male and a female, but certainly not equal between male and a female SOCCER player. USL is beginning to sound better by the day. Soccer for boys is still behind football, basketball and baseball as far as college fans are concerned. Even girls basketball and volleyball pull more attendance (and gymnastics) than soccer. Frankly I think all are super fun to watch. What the schools need to do is create atmosphere. I am not a fan of UGA but have attended a few of their soccer games and they have those crazy kids in the Oakland raider-like gear at soccer like they do at football. More of that is needed! |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 28, 2020 9:41:45 GMT -5
C’mon man - stop with the USL nonsense. It’s a nonstarter and complete waste of time to even have to scroll past posts about it. Total garbage.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 28, 2020 10:08:26 GMT -5
While USL is not much right now...USL is the only hope for a European-style soccer system within the US. Without 2nd/3rd tier leagues becoming successful, the US will never catch up with Europe or South America and will fall farther and farther behind. The biggest/fastest/richest players will own in the US systems and the best American players will always go to Europe. It is the potential grassroots system of US soccer.
And I'm not for pro/rel within US pro soccer.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 28, 2020 10:11:17 GMT -5
It starts at the top and MLS has to start paying their young players and vets better money!
Why do MLS clubs like homegrowns and domestic players -- they are cheap, play and get paid pennies!
The bigger issue I see is the lack of opportunities for the domestic player -- MLS teams look elsewhere, colleges look elsewhere.
USL and these other minor leagues become the only option for domestic talent. I'm talking your above average player, not the identified phenoms (so called phenoms.....which most fizzle out...)
As long as american soccer tries to identify players and separate them at u12 and then throw them to the trash at u17, we will never move forward.
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Post by atv on May 28, 2020 10:22:11 GMT -5
One of the issues with domestic players competing for college spots with foreign born players is age. Players coming from Europe and other areas are typically older. It’s not uncommon for players coming from Europe to be 21-23 years old and physically more mature than a US players graduating that may be 17 or 18. Soccer players reach peak performance at ages 25 to 27. This puts Domestic US players at a disadvantage.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 28, 2020 15:23:58 GMT -5
Yeah, honestly, your college playing window should start with your 18th birthday (6 years to play) rather than 5 years from when you first enter college. Would level the playing field a bit.
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Post by jkdub1 on May 28, 2020 19:47:36 GMT -5
*watches as hundreds of soccer players sign on as kickers for their high school football team*
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Post by atlutd17 on May 28, 2020 19:54:47 GMT -5
While USL is not much right now...USL is the only hope for a European-style soccer system within the US. Without 2nd/3rd tier leagues becoming successful, the US will never catch up with Europe or South America and will fall farther and farther behind. The biggest/fastest/richest players will own in the US systems and the best American players will always go to Europe. It is the potential grassroots system of US soccer.
And I'm not for pro/rel within US pro soccer.
USL is the best most realistic chance we got. Or, we'll continue to get more of the same which may be perfectly fine for those cashing the fat checks. |
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Post by soccerworld1974 on May 28, 2020 23:05:20 GMT -5
I was speaking to someone the other day whom had a child about to enter a college soccer program and hesitated to mention how much college football played an integral part to them even having soccer. I pray we get to some healthy medium as the early reality will be tough for the 20 season.
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Post by mistergrinch on May 29, 2020 7:30:23 GMT -5
I was speaking to someone the other day whom had a child about to enter a college soccer program and hesitated to mention how much college football played an integral part to them even having soccer. I pray we get to some healthy medium as the early reality will be tough for the 20 season. If you're not sure.. go look at the soccer facilities being built at Clemson. The women's coach was talking about the new soccer building and straight up told me 'see the big stadium over there?' he then waved at it and said 'thank you!!'
They're getting a nice soccer building with locker rooms for mens and womens, meeting rooms, training rooms.. all adjacent to their practice fields.
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