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Post by Soccerphreak on Jun 8, 2020 11:56:59 GMT -5
Would anyone like to shed some light on the validity of the rankings that were recently released by IMG in relation to IMGs top 150 players? In speaking to several people it appears that this is a coach/parent driven engine and no one cares or even looks at it. Many of my soccer friends poopoo it because they claim that it's driven by outside resources and national team rankings.
What do you know or think?
I don't want to be one of those parents bragging that my kids are ranked if I am the one ranking them but if it's a legit system, please share your insight on how it works.
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Post by soccergirldad on Jun 8, 2020 13:05:53 GMT -5
Speaking as someone who has a kid in the rankings and know several kids that are in the rankings I can say that the rankings are hit or miss. Obviously one would think that their kid is higher than they actually are but in looking at it some of the rankings make no sense at all. Knowing a lot of the players I can honestly say that there are girls that should definitely be ranked that are not and some that are ranked that shouldn't. At the end of the day it's all subjective so I'm just glad that my kid even got on the list because if no one was looking at the list then there wouldn't be a need to create one.
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Post by Shesakeeper on Jun 8, 2020 13:25:57 GMT -5
Do you have to be a premier member to access the lists? I'm curious if I recognize names on the one for my daughters graduating class, it keeps prompting me to sign up for premier when I click the link. I would think it would be pretty cool to see your kids name on a list like that but I know nothing about who may look at these and how accurate it is.
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Post by fridge on Jun 8, 2020 14:21:52 GMT -5
All the above is true. However, if your kid's desire is to play college soccer, it doesn't hurt for the kid to be on this list. Remember, when a college coach is recruiting, the coach gets 1000s emails. What will your kids soccer "resume" look like by u15 to set him/her apart? Many coaches are looking for additional information to assist w/ the decision making. Other factors that can build the soccer resume such as national team camp invites, NTC, ODP, statistics, playing multiple positions, left footed, coach recommendation, that college's summer camp attendance, Top 150 ranking, DA Player of the Week, Showcase Top 11, video, consistent and personal correspondence to the coach, etc. If others can think of more, your welcome to add....
One or several of these may give your kid a little more credibility when the coach comes to watch. And, let's say your kid has a bad game. The coach may think, "That kid has gone to 2 NTC's and is ranked 75th, so maybe I should give him/her a second look tomorrow." You never know what item may give your kid that extra push.
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Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on Jun 8, 2020 15:11:04 GMT -5
Do you have to be a premier member to access the lists? I'm curious if I recognize names on the one for my daughters graduating class, it keeps prompting me to sign up for premier when I click the link. I would think it would be pretty cool to see your kids name on a list like that but I know nothing about who may look at these and how accurate it is. Yes, you do have to be a member to access and view the list. |
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Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on Jun 8, 2020 15:17:00 GMT -5
Would anyone like to shed some light on the validity of the rankings that were recently released by IMG in relation to IMGs top 150 players? In speaking to several people it appears that this is a coach/parent driven engine and no one cares or even looks at it. Many of my soccer friends poopoo it because they claim that it's driven by outside resources and national team rankings. What do you know or think? I don't want to be one of those parents bragging that my kids are ranked if I am the one ranking them but if it's a legit system, please share your insight on how it works. Not knowing a lot about the formula they use, over the years, I know they do try to keep it out of coaches’ hands and just for the reason you mentioned above. As a parent, I have never had an opportunity to provide input, so don’t know how much we can play a part of it. I know if you are observed at an event or attend one, that helps with visibility. I do think it was heavily weighted to DA members, (don’t start a new debate topic, just my opinion). So anxious to see how the rankings will change with the new leagues and the adjusted landscape. But don’t have a 💯 percent answer for you |
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Jun 8, 2020 15:58:48 GMT -5
All the above is true. However, if your kid's desire is to play college soccer, it doesn't hurt for the kid to be on this list. Remember, when a college coach is recruiting, the coach gets 1000s emails. What will your kids soccer "resume" look like by u15 to set him/her apart? Many coaches are looking for additional information to assist w/ the decision making. Other factors that can build the soccer resume such as national team camp invites, NTC, ODP, statistics, playing multiple positions, left footed, coach recommendation, that college's summer camp attendance, Top 150 ranking, DA Player of the Week, Showcase Top 11, video, consistent and personal correspondence to the coach, etc. If others can think of more, your welcome to add.... One or several of these may give your kid a little more credibility when the coach comes to watch. And, let's say your kid has a bad game. The coach may think, "That kid has gone to 2 NTC's and is ranked 75th, so maybe I should give him/her a second look tomorrow." You never know what item may give your kid that extra push. I have no idea what goes into the ranking but I would agree with all of this. Also, I imagine it gets more accurate the older you get. The new rankings for class of 2024 are probably a lot of parent submission stuff. But eventually national team camps, best 11 at showcases, and other awards/recognition will add validity. |
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Post by datrain on Jun 9, 2020 8:16:38 GMT -5
Went through the Class of 2023 and this is a joke. We know all of the NY kids and many of the Atlanta kids. In the regional rankings, they have the backup goalie from FC Westchester ranked above the goalie from NYCFC who won the golden glove aware at Generation Adidas two years ago.
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Post by georgiasoccerdad on Jun 9, 2020 12:27:44 GMT -5
I hope it's true... since my daughter was just ranked as a three star!
Looking at the list of 2021 we have played with or against most of the girls in Georgia. I can't see any issues with any of them listed- some might be a little higher or lower than what I would expect. But at the end of the day it's another tool for coaches to use to identify prospective players in a sport with very limited recruiting budgets.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 9, 2020 13:45:57 GMT -5
Went through the Class of 2023 and this is a joke. We know all of the NY kids and many of the Atlanta kids. In the regional rankings, they have the backup goalie from FC Westchester ranked above the goalie from NYCFC who won the golden glove aware at Generation Adidas two years ago. I think that the order of the rankings can often be off, but generally the kids that are selected are very good players. However there are going to be some disagreements. Opinions...everyone has one. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 9, 2020 20:58:00 GMT -5
So this is very parent driven. Anyone can open an account and start adding articles of their kids and it gives them rankings. If you attend one of their camps u get an automatic 3 stars. They used to get rankings from ODP regional camps. The more articles they have of your kid, the higher the ranking -- however all you had to do was send a quick thing about how your kid did that week and it would get included in their weekly email.
I know of a girl who played on a 4th team, she opened up her account and then put she was on the top team. Then she put that as a freshman she was already committed to Auburn, they gave her 4 stars. Auburn complained to have it take it down and were told only the user could, so Auburn contacted the club and she removed it. She got to keep her 4 star rating.
The rankings are not checked and anyone can submit anything.
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Post by soccergirldad on Jun 10, 2020 6:30:52 GMT -5
So this is very parent driven. Anyone can open an account and start adding articles of their kids and it gives them rankings. If you attend one of their camps u get an automatic 3 stars. They used to get rankings from ODP regional camps. The more articles they have of your kid, the higher the ranking -- however all you had to do was send a quick thing about how your kid did that week and it would get included in their weekly email. I know of a girl who played on a 4th team, she opened up her account and then put she was on the top team. Then she put that as a freshman she was already committed to Auburn, they gave her 4 stars. Auburn complained to have it take it down and were told only the user could, so Auburn contacted the club and she removed it. She got to keep her 4 star rating. The rankings are not checked and anyone can submit anything. Then it looks like I have some submitting to do!!!!! |
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 10, 2020 6:42:14 GMT -5
So this is very parent driven. Anyone can open an account and start adding articles of their kids and it gives them rankings. If you attend one of their camps u get an automatic 3 stars. They used to get rankings from ODP regional camps. The more articles they have of your kid, the higher the ranking -- however all you had to do was send a quick thing about how your kid did that week and it would get included in their weekly email. I know of a girl who played on a 4th team, she opened up her account and then put she was on the top team. Then she put that as a freshman she was already committed to Auburn, they gave her 4 stars. Auburn complained to have it take it down and were told only the user could, so Auburn contacted the club and she removed it. She got to keep her 4 star rating. The rankings are not checked and anyone can submit anything. Then it looks like I have some submitting to do!!!!! Go for it! 3 star status is what most will get, if you want 4 or 5 you need to be in a National Pool or team. You will need to pay their subscription in order to add articles. Also i know of kids that are never ranked because they never added an account, and they are on the national team. Good luck! Do keep in mind that this list is not really looked at by anyone other than parents. |
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Post by anthwan on Jun 10, 2020 6:54:19 GMT -5
I have two kids in the rankings obviously in different graduating years. My oldest girl, all we did was make a profile and that was it. If there was an article that was on TopDrawer, it was automatically added without us having to do anything (there were many). Articles outside of TopDrawer we had to add ourselves (there weren't many). Just before the end of her U14 season she was ranked. Never made it to a National Team Camp, wasn't a tournament best XI, but was a pretty good player that went to all but one NTC training, and was one of the top scorers in her league. 3 Star
Now my youngest we made a profile for her. Same thing though if an article was on TopDrawer pertaining to her, it was automatically added (she only had a couple). She attended every NTC, attended ID2 where she received a camp award, was slated to attend the USNT East camp but it got cancelled the week before she was leaving due to the pandemic and she is a play-up on a nationally ranked team. I forgot to add that because of the pandemic TopDrawer didn't do the ranking for the 24 class they way it was done previously. For the 24 class they asked that the parents or the coaches send in a write-up about the players, along with v video, because with a lot of the seasons being cancelled, some girls had not had the opportunity to be seen. 3 Star
I'm grateful that both my girls made the rankings because I know the colleges look at it and target those players. I don't understand how they go about ranking the players because I know more than a few girls who've made the list and ones that haven't and it doesn't add up. I can also question the star designation of the players because again some things don't add up. The only thing that I disagree with is that I know for a fact or at least in my case that my daughters rankings were not parent driven. If that were the case my oldest would have been much higher in the rankings and my youngest easily would have been in the top 10 with at least a 4 star ranking.
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Post by heretounderstand on Jun 10, 2020 8:39:26 GMT -5
I have two kids in the rankings obviously in different graduating years. My oldest girl, all we did was make a profile and that was it. If there was an article that was on TopDrawer, it was automatically added without us having to do anything (there were many). Articles outside of TopDrawer we had to add ourselves (there weren't many). Just before the end of her U14 season she was ranked. Never made it to a National Team Camp, wasn't a tournament best XI, but was a pretty good player that went to all but one NTC training, and was one of the top scorers in her league. 3 Star Now my youngest we made a profile for her. Same thing though if an article was on TopDrawer pertaining to her, it was automatically added (she only had a couple). She attended every NTC, attended ID2 where she received a camp award, was slated to attend the USNT East camp but it got cancelled the week before she was leaving due to the pandemic and she is a play-up on a nationally ranked team. I forgot to add that because of the pandemic TopDrawer didn't do the ranking for the 24 class they way it was done previously. For the 24 class they asked that the parents or the coaches send in a write-up about the players, along with v video, because with a lot of the seasons being cancelled, some girls had not had the opportunity to be seen. 3 Star I'm grateful that both my girls made the rankings because I know the colleges look at it and target those players. I don't understand how they go about ranking the players because I know more than a few girls who've made the list and ones that haven't and it doesn't add up. I can also question the star designation of the players because again some things don't add up. The only thing that I disagree with is that I know for a fact or at least in my case that my daughters rankings were not parent driven. If that were the case my oldest would have been much higher in the rankings and my youngest easily would have been in the top 10 with at least a 4 star ranking. I would argue that it is very parent driven. In your case, you opened the account. That entered them into the race. Many parents who don't believe that coaches look at this don't even pay the money to open the account. ~parent driven. Next, the parent can (in your case you did not) add articles and submit other materials to increase their child's ranking. ~parent driven. Parents can pay for their child to attend a camp to get more stars. ~parent driven. If a parent does not pay to register a profile they are, in essence, accepting that their kid has a very small chance of being ranked on this random list. ~parent driven. It's a pay to play situation... Want to move your kid up the rankings? Pay to register, pay to attend camps and then add information (whether the information is true or not.) Soccer shouldn't be so much of a "show and tell" but a "show." Too many parents do a lot of "telling" how good their kids are. BUT, I get it. Trying to figure out ways to make your child stand out from the thousands of others to even get them looked at by a college coach. But let's be honest about it. |
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Post by georgiasoccerdad on Jun 10, 2020 8:53:12 GMT -5
Can't say that I'm on board with being completely parent driven. I've had a subscription for over a year- added articles, videos, etc and nothing came from it. I emailed the recruiting team several times politely asking what else they needed but no answer. They did respond when several coaches from her club team reached out to them.
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Post by fanatic21 on Jun 10, 2020 9:09:44 GMT -5
I have a daughter who is ranked, and we did not create a profile or pay for an account (maybe she created her own account, I didn’t ask her, but we definitely didn’t pay for anything). I borrowed a friend’s login so I could check it out because we were told she was on there. Looks like she has a number of articles linked to her, but we didn’t upload them. I noticed a few players have videos too, but my daughter doesn’t have any. I assume players/parents have to upload those themselves? I imagine parents can do extra work to help get their kid get ranked, but overall I thought the rankings of Georgia players from the age groups I know looked relatively legit. Maybe a few out of order here and there, but for the most part the right players were ranked. I didn’t see anyone from Georgia on there that definitely shouldn’t be.
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 10, 2020 11:34:15 GMT -5
Here is how TopDrawerSoccer says that the rankings are created:
The scouting process for players is an ongoing discussion at TopDrawerSoccer, and it’s the genesis of the vast majority of inquiries to the site. In an effort to address many of those questions, here is a few quick answers to questions regarding the ranking process at TopDrawerSoccer.
How Do I Get Ranked?
The first step is to make sure you have a player profile.
Once that is complete, the best way to get ranked (in the regional or national rankings) or get rated (with a star rating) is for a TopDrawerSoccer scout to see you play. TDS has scouts at a number of events including nearly event ECNL and Development Academy event during the club soccer season. TDS also has scouts at National Events for US Club Soccer and US Youth Soccer as well as some of the top national tournaments (Surf Cup, Dallas Cup, Jefferson Cup, etc.).
If your team is participating in any upcoming event, prior to the event send your team’s schedule to rankings@topdrawersoccer.com. While it is impossible to guarantee that a scout will be able to attend your game, it does help to have your schedule and jersey number available in case we make it to your field.
What If That Isn’t An Option?
We understand that for some teams and players, national exposure is not a guarantee or an option. We do take input from club coaches. Please ask your club coach to send an email to rankings@topdrawersoccer.com.
What Is The Scale For Your Star Rating?
For more information about how we view that ranking and rating process, please visit this webpage.
How Come I Don’t Have a Rating? You’ve Seen Me Play!
If you have been mentioned in an article on the site from one of the events and graduate in the classes 2019-2022, please send an email to rankings@topdrawersoccer.com and bring this to our attention.
What About The Class of 2023?
TopDrawerSoccer does not give out ratings until we start the process of ranking the class. For the class of 2023, which will be ranked for the first time during the spring rankings, we will begin giving out ratings toward the end of May.
How Come Some 2023 Players Already Have a Star Rating?
Players we have seen at Youth National Team camps have been rated early - these are the top players in the class (top 10-20). Also, players who were originally classified as part of the 2022 class, but have been moved to 2023 keep the rating.
When Will The Next Ranking Be Released?
The start of the spring updates will be on Monday, April 1 with the Boys Class of 2019. Each Monday will feature an update to a new class with the final update for the spring coming on June 3 for the Girls Class of 2023.
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Post by anthwan on Jun 10, 2020 16:40:33 GMT -5
I have two kids in the rankings obviously in different graduating years. My oldest girl, all we did was make a profile and that was it. If there was an article that was on TopDrawer, it was automatically added without us having to do anything (there were many). Articles outside of TopDrawer we had to add ourselves (there weren't many). Just before the end of her U14 season she was ranked. Never made it to a National Team Camp, wasn't a tournament best XI, but was a pretty good player that went to all but one NTC training, and was one of the top scorers in her league. 3 Star Now my youngest we made a profile for her. Same thing though if an article was on TopDrawer pertaining to her, it was automatically added (she only had a couple). She attended every NTC, attended ID2 where she received a camp award, was slated to attend the USNT East camp but it got cancelled the week before she was leaving due to the pandemic and she is a play-up on a nationally ranked team. I forgot to add that because of the pandemic TopDrawer didn't do the ranking for the 24 class they way it was done previously. For the 24 class they asked that the parents or the coaches send in a write-up about the players, along with v video, because with a lot of the seasons being cancelled, some girls had not had the opportunity to be seen. 3 Star I'm grateful that both my girls made the rankings because I know the colleges look at it and target those players. I don't understand how they go about ranking the players because I know more than a few girls who've made the list and ones that haven't and it doesn't add up. I can also question the star designation of the players because again some things don't add up. The only thing that I disagree with is that I know for a fact or at least in my case that my daughters rankings were not parent driven. If that were the case my oldest would have been much higher in the rankings and my youngest easily would have been in the top 10 with at least a 4 star ranking. I would argue that it is very parent driven. In your case, you opened the account. That entered them into the race. Many parents who don't believe that coaches look at this don't even pay the money to open the account. ~parent driven. Next, the parent can (in your case you did not) add articles and submit other materials to increase their child's ranking. ~parent driven. Parents can pay for their child to attend a camp to get more stars. ~parent driven. If a parent does not pay to register a profile they are, in essence, accepting that their kid has a very small chance of being ranked on this random list. ~parent driven. It's a pay to play situation... Want to move your kid up the rankings? Pay to register, pay to attend camps and then add information (whether the information is true or not.) Soccer shouldn't be so much of a "show and tell" but a "show." Too many parents do a lot of "telling" how good their kids are. BUT, I get it. Trying to figure out ways to make your child stand out from the thousands of others to even get them looked at by a college coach. But let's be honest about it. First off the account is free. You do "have" to pay for premium if you want to add video. My oldest has attended only two camps and that was well after she was ranked and both were schools she was interested in(Both are offering by the way). My youngest has yet to even set foot on a college campus but is ranked much higher than my oldest. While I don't understand how they come up with their ranking or star value system, I don't want the narrative to be that the only reason that they are ranked is because we paid for a profile or sent them to camps. TopDrawer wouldn't even know if they attended camps at certain schools and the YNT always puts out a list of camp invitees. Again if it was that driven by the parents, all of our kids would be 12 star recruits 😂😂😂 |
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