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Post by soccerloafer on Jun 16, 2020 13:52:37 GMT -5
Just head over the Windy Hill Road and get her a new birth certificate and play U12 instead. Then she'll be on the top team. May have to change clubs.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 16, 2020 14:17:40 GMT -5
Ooh, do explain! Sounds juicy!
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Post by forsythsd on Jun 16, 2020 14:32:08 GMT -5
Quick personal observation--we were w/ a high level team where due to location/travel issues, 2 or 3 girls on the team practiced 90% of the time w/ a lower team near their homes. To my surprise, by season's end, ALL of those girls were well behind the girls who practiced w/ the top girls 100% of the time. The gap was significant. YMMV. Here's my personal observation: bench warmer on the top team lost confidence, lost desire, lost "the fun". Started dreading something he used to live for. Started asking to skip practices and games. Parents were frustrated. Travel games were the worst... hours in the car for <20 on the field. Kid ended up permanently leaving the sport that was a huge part of his life for years.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 16, 2020 15:29:13 GMT -5
This is all my opinion, but team sizes are simply too large, especially with top teams.
If you're bringing subs, play them. If your backups are not playing half a game and really pushing your starters, you have the wrong backups. IMO they SHOULD put players 12-18 on the 2nd team and pick 3 to practice and play up regularly (or as many as you're allowed subs that you WILL PLAY). If your top team and your 2nd team are training that differently, Houston, you have a problem. The ones below that should be starters for the lower team. Ego/status aside, every player on a pay-to-play youth team should get "meaningful minutes". ECNL makes it even easier because you can sub again after the half.
2nd teamers should be the backups for your first team, 3rd team for 2nd team, etc.
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Post by Keeper on Jun 16, 2020 15:41:25 GMT -5
This is all my opinion, but team sizes are simply too large, especially with top teams. If you're bringing subs, play them. If your backups are not playing half a game and really pushing your starters, you have the wrong backups. IMO they SHOULD put players 12-18 on the 2nd team and pick 3 to practice and play up regularly (or as many as you're allowed subs that you WILL PLAY). If your top team and your 2nd team are training that differently, Houston, you have a problem. The ones below that should be starters for the lower team. Ego/status aside, every player on a pay-to-play youth team should get "meaningful minutes". ECNL makes it even easier because you can sub again after the half. 2nd teamers should be the backups for your first team, 3rd team for 2nd team, etc. q Some of the smartest words ever written on this board!
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Post by bogan on Jun 16, 2020 16:39:05 GMT -5
This is all my opinion, but team sizes are simply too large, especially with top teams. If you're bringing subs, play them. If your backups are not playing half a game and really pushing your starters, you have the wrong backups. IMO they SHOULD put players 12-18 on the 2nd team and pick 3 to practice and play up regularly (or as many as you're allowed subs that you WILL PLAY). If your top team and your 2nd team are training that differently, Houston, you have a problem. The ones below that should be starters for the lower team. Ego/status aside, every player on a pay-to-play youth team should get "meaningful minutes". ECNL makes it even easier because you can sub again after the half. 2nd teamers should be the backups for your first team, 3rd team for 2nd team, etc. Ok, you gotta stop. You are making too much sense.
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Post by jkdub1 on Jun 16, 2020 17:25:32 GMT -5
This is all my opinion, but team sizes are simply too large, especially with top teams. If you're bringing subs, play them. If your backups are not playing half a game and really pushing your starters, you have the wrong backups. IMO they SHOULD put players 12-18 on the 2nd team and pick 3 to practice and play up regularly (or as many as you're allowed subs that you WILL PLAY). If your top team and your 2nd team are training that differently, Houston, you have a problem. The ones below that should be starters for the lower team. Ego/status aside, every player on a pay-to-play youth team should get "meaningful minutes". ECNL makes it even easier because you can sub again after the half. 2nd teamers should be the backups for your first team, 3rd team for 2nd team, etc. But but but God FORBID you put someone's special snowflake on the SECOND team 😱 I've seen families quit when that's been done. They'd rather their kid sit the bench on the top team than get quality time on the field with another team. Sadly, pride and prestige seem to matter more sometimes. It's a problem.
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Post by Keeperkeeper on Jun 17, 2020 0:03:45 GMT -5
I've been reading through this thread, and we have small players in our household on both the boys and girls side. I'll speak to the original posters issue with his female player. Our daughter has always been undersized, but she is very quick, and she fast. It is the quickness that helps. We also made sure to improve her technical abilities. She started soccer late (u10), and started out playing on the second team, but quickly moved to playing a year up. The issue for small (and tall) players is that a lot of coaches make up their mind about the player as soon as they see them coming. She once had a coach tell her (after a tryout) that when he first saw her, he immediately thought that she would struggle. By then, she was used to hearing that from coaches so it didn't phase her. We learned a few things, though, that may help your daughter.
1) Teach your daughter to be "tiny but mighty." It's a phrase that we use often. Strength matters. The best "small" players I have seen do not get easily knocked off the ball. And, when they get the ball taken from them, they get it back quickly. They are not afraid of bigger players. They are fun to watch.
2) Develop something special about your player. I think every player needs to do something well, but small players have to work a little harder to be noticed. I think the easiest thing to do is to develop great technical skills since a lot of taller players rely on speed/strength. One of my favorite smaller players (not my kid) can play in multiple positions on the field with the same excellence as her natural position. Her shot is brilliant.
3) Watch small players who play professionally or in college. Crystal Dunn. Kante. Mallory Pugh. Kiki Pickett. While your child may not aspire to play professionally, they can still be inspired by professional players and see how they fit into the different systems and how they compensate for their size.
4) Switch clubs when necessary. This year has been a little crazy for tryouts, but one thing that we learned is that small players need encouraging coaches. Some coaches like bigger players. Some think small players are liabilities. Some do not care about size. Go with a coach that will push her to succeed at her highest level. If she is not being challenged, ask to at least practice with a higher level team.
5) Give ODP a try when she is of age. They don't seem to care as much about size in our experience.
While I think all players should be doing this, there are some real obstacles for smaller kids playing soccer in the US. And, not every girl sees that jump in height and reaches 5'5"+. So, train her to be mental tough, physically tough. All the best to your daughter!
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 17, 2020 9:35:06 GMT -5
But but but God FORBID you put someone's special snowflake on the SECOND team 😱 I've seen families quit when that's been done. They'd rather their kid sit the bench on the top team than get quality time on the field with another team. Sadly, pride and prestige seem to matter more sometimes. It's a problem. That's insane, especially if the kid is under 16. If at U17 you're not going to make the top team and not just playing for fun, okay, I could see giving up. Below that, they have to enjoy the game. And the plus side is you're not paying $6,000-10,000 in travel for the year. There are PLENTY of ECNL/DA kids that simply quit club soccer their junior or senior year due to not wanting to do the work in college, not loving the game that much, or just deciding to have fun playing for their school. The burnout numbers for top teams is pretty high, too many years of travel, social lives, etc. And yet there are those who WANT TO play in college who are stuck at the 2nd team level teams who would really enjoy and desire the scouting process of the top teams. Really, if you're playing on a top-tier team in high school, the goal should be playing after high school, otherwise the family is simply wasting money. Play in 2nd tier league and have fun.
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