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Post by toonarmy on Jun 10, 2020 17:37:51 GMT -5
Until the USSF sorts this out don't expect to see the men's National team going anywhere. Once they have something workable in place add another 10+ years for things to grow...
going to be a while..
What do y'all think?
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Post by baller84 on Jun 10, 2020 18:08:44 GMT -5
Until the USSF sorts this out don't expect to see the men's National team going anywhere. Once they have something workable in place add another 10+ years for things to grow... going to be a while.. What do y'all think? He stated the obvious and what so many of us have been saying all along for pay to play. USSF is the #1 reason for this mess, first with multiple governing bodies then with all else. Current system has proven not viable (not that we didn't know that before). Until they at least give clubs the ability to reserve the rights to their players in exchange of investing on their development and transfer fees, no one will invest in the grassroots. |
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Post by atlutd17 on Jun 10, 2020 18:28:39 GMT -5
Pay to play system also buys players and families the freedom to make their own choices every year. I do not think player transfer fee options among clubs exist in the US like they do everywhere else, and that's a big discussion. I do know foreign clubs that own the rights to their players also pay for their development and expenses, and can trade them or release them at will.
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Post by ultimatedad on Jun 10, 2020 19:26:07 GMT -5
At least it gives rich white kids a sport they think they are good at. That has to count for something.
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 10, 2020 19:27:21 GMT -5
At least it gives rich white kids a sport they think they are good at. That has to count for something. We already have tennis, golf and swimming. |
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Post by ultimatedad on Jun 10, 2020 19:30:24 GMT -5
True teue.
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Post by ultimatedad on Jun 10, 2020 19:30:46 GMT -5
True true.
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Post by rifle on Jun 10, 2020 19:31:13 GMT -5
At least it gives rich white kids a sport they think they are good at. That has to count for something. In America, someone will gladly take your money and call you elite. |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Jun 10, 2020 20:01:54 GMT -5
At least it gives rich white kids a sport they think they are good at. That has to count for something. Don't forget fishing... ...which it seems you are good at... or at least try to be... |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 10, 2020 20:10:32 GMT -5
Biggest problem with soccer - usually if one of your kids play they all do!
$$$$$
Can’t a club even throw a multi kid discount at ya.
I think the bubble is bursting - I expect to see many drop out and opt out of higher level of play due to cost.
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Post by ultimatedad on Jun 10, 2020 20:15:50 GMT -5
At least it gives rich white kids a sport they think they are good at. That has to count for something. Don't forget fishing... ...which it seems you are good at... or at least try to be... |
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Post by ultimatedad on Jun 10, 2020 20:17:41 GMT -5
I don't think rich white people dominate fishing like they dominate soccer. It is too cheap to get a rod and go.
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Post by ultimatedad on Jun 10, 2020 20:20:15 GMT -5
There are probably fishing leagues forming north of the perimiter trying to solve this problem!
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Post by soccerlegacy on Jun 10, 2020 21:15:07 GMT -5
There are probably fishing leagues forming north of the perimiter trying to solve this problem! I sometimes consider this forum a quasi-fishing league of it's own... and you deserve to be considered one those at the "ECNL" level of it. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Jun 10, 2020 22:03:17 GMT -5
I don't think rich white people dominate fishing like they dominate soccer. It is too cheap to get a rod and go. They may be rednecks.. but they're not poor rednecks. Ever seen how much a competition bass rig goes for? Then you have to have the matching lifted F250 to pull it.
Seriously - these guys roll into the lake with $125-150k rigs.. and that's for BASS.
Now - saltwater is a whole different ballgame. Go price out a gamefishing boat sometime.
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Post by ultimatedad on Jun 11, 2020 3:43:25 GMT -5
There are probably fishing leagues forming north of the perimiter trying to solve this problem! I sometimes consider this forum a quasi-fishing league of it's own... and you deserve to be considered one those at the "ECNL" level of it. |
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Post by ultimatedad on Jun 11, 2020 3:44:25 GMT -5
I apreciate that and I have to say you have mastered the sport yourself so kudos!
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Post by dadofthree on Jun 11, 2020 6:47:38 GMT -5
All of the talk on fishing and no one mentioned it is now a varsity sport at alot of the midwest colleges. They have scholarships and everything......go figure.
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Post by mistergrinch on Jun 11, 2020 9:43:50 GMT -5
All of the talk on fishing and no one mentioned it is now a varsity sport at alot of the midwest colleges. They have scholarships and everything......go figure. Yeah - I met a guy whose kid was going to school on a bass fishing scholarship. Oddly, it doesn't seem to be NCAA - so he also had boats/equipment paid for by sponsors.
It was weird to say the least.
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Post by dadofthree on Jun 11, 2020 10:18:10 GMT -5
All of the talk on fishing and no one mentioned it is now a varsity sport at alot of the midwest colleges. They have scholarships and everything......go figure. Yeah - I met a guy whose kid was going to school on a bass fishing scholarship. Oddly, it doesn't seem to be NCAA - so he also had boats/equipment paid for by sponsors.
It was weird to say the least.
Its at some big schools too. My daughter in college knows a boy who is going to I think either Cinninati or Dayton on a full ride and as you said with top notch boats etc on a bass fishing scholarship. I guess I got my daughters into the wrong sports...... |
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Post by mistergrinch on Jun 11, 2020 11:30:26 GMT -5
Yeah - I met a guy whose kid was going to school on a bass fishing scholarship. Oddly, it doesn't seem to be NCAA - so he also had boats/equipment paid for by sponsors.
It was weird to say the least.
Its at some big schools too. My daughter in college knows a boy who is going to I think either Cinninati or Dayton on a full ride and as you said with top notch boats etc on a bass fishing scholarship. I guess I got my daughters into the wrong sports...... women's golf is still the most unfilled scholarship available.. think of all the quality time you could have had if you'd taught them golf! |
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Post by baller84 on Jun 11, 2020 12:25:03 GMT -5
College soccer model is not designed to develop players to the next level. Never was and if anything is going in the opposite direction.
Until USSF gives more power options to the clubs and leagues so that they can invest in developing players, nothing will change for the better.
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Post by dadofthree on Jun 11, 2020 12:49:51 GMT -5
Its at some big schools too. My daughter in college knows a boy who is going to I think either Cinninati or Dayton on a full ride and as you said with top notch boats etc on a bass fishing scholarship. I guess I got my daughters into the wrong sports...... women's golf is still the most unfilled scholarship available.. think of all the quality time you could have had if you'd taught them golf! Yes I have heard that from a number of folks. We tried on the golf thing.......we are even members at one of the clubs up in North Fulton and they could go anytime and I still could get them to try it. Oh well guess I will have to work until I am 90 to pay for all the soccer and school. |
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Post by toonarmy on Jun 11, 2020 15:18:03 GMT -5
I know it's not aligned with the rest of the world as far as soccer development, but the US college system for sports is unique.... it's already there and the infrastructure and distribution of colleges creates National coverage the USSF craves.
Why don't they try and team/align/invest in this system and create something workable.
I get that for a lot of kids if they've got the skills they are doing it professionally at 17/18/19... there are a lot of late bloomers out there too...
Shaka Hislop came through the US system and did OK for himself.
Ian Wright in didn't break through into the English Football League until his early 20s.
I'm sure there are lots of other examples out there...
If this system can produce top class basketball players why not soccer players....
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Post by Keeper on Jun 11, 2020 15:30:46 GMT -5
At least it gives rich white kids a sport they think they are good at. That has to count for something. Wait I thought this was about soccer, not lacrosse? |
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Post by ultimatedad on Jun 11, 2020 15:42:34 GMT -5
No Dressage
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Post by atlutd17 on Jun 11, 2020 15:48:21 GMT -5
I know it's not aligned with the rest of the world as far as soccer development, but the US college system for sports is unique.... it's already there and the infrastructure and distribution of colleges creates National coverage the USSF craves. Why don't they try and team/align/invest in this system and create something workable. I get that for a lot of kids if they've got the skills they are doing it professionally at 17/18/19... there are a lot of late bloomers out there too... Shaka Hislop came through the US system and did OK for himself. Ian Wright in didn't break through into the English Football League until his early 20s. I'm sure there are lots of other examples out there... If this system can produce top class basketball players why not soccer players.... Probably because the college system has not worked for soccer. Development has been a big F. It's a very different sport than most others. The draft quality says it all. It has to be 10 times better, numbers much higher, competition wider, and don't see how all that can happen through current system. |
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Post by rifle on Jun 11, 2020 20:03:32 GMT -5
I know it's not aligned with the rest of the world as far as soccer development, but the US college system for sports is unique.... it's already there and the infrastructure and distribution of colleges creates National coverage the USSF craves. Why don't they try and team/align/invest in this system and create something workable. I get that for a lot of kids if they've got the skills they are doing it professionally at 17/18/19... there are a lot of late bloomers out there too... Shaka Hislop came through the US system and did OK for himself. Ian Wright in didn't break through into the English Football League until his early 20s. I'm sure there are lots of other examples out there... If this system can produce top class basketball players why not soccer players.... ...because domestic pro soccer is maybe 12-20th best in the world and we have a caste system that is designed to prevent success in “lower” leagues, because it wouldn’t be profitable for a handful of MLS owners.. and the voting federation members (Youth soccer, adult amateur, etc) are too busy trying to keep their cash cow fed to care about systemic improvements. ..And college soccer doesn’t use pro soccer substitution rules so it isn’t really even the same game. It’s a track meet on grass. Why would a pro club want a player who basically lost 1-4 prime playing years in that environment? |
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 12, 2020 5:56:18 GMT -5
I know it's not aligned with the rest of the world as far as soccer development, but the US college system for sports is unique.... it's already there and the infrastructure and distribution of colleges creates National coverage the USSF craves. Why don't they try and team/align/invest in this system and create something workable. I get that for a lot of kids if they've got the skills they are doing it professionally at 17/18/19... there are a lot of late bloomers out there too... Shaka Hislop came through the US system and did OK for himself. Ian Wright in didn't break through into the English Football League until his early 20s. I'm sure there are lots of other examples out there... If this system can produce top class basketball players why not soccer players.... ...because domestic pro soccer is maybe 12-20th best in the world and we have a caste system that is designed to prevent success in “lower” leagues, because it wouldn’t be profitable for a handful of MLS owners.. and the voting federation members (Youth soccer, adult amateur, etc) are too busy trying to keep their cash cow fed to care about systemic improvements. ..And college soccer doesn’t use pro soccer substitution rules so it isn’t really even the same game. It’s a track meet on grass. Why would a pro club want a player who basically lost 1-4 prime playing years in that environment? Miles Robinson and Julian Gressel are on the phone. They disagree. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 12, 2020 8:39:50 GMT -5
...because domestic pro soccer is maybe 12-20th best in the world and we have a caste system that is designed to prevent success in “lower” leagues, because it wouldn’t be profitable for a handful of MLS owners.. and the voting federation members (Youth soccer, adult amateur, etc) are too busy trying to keep their cash cow fed to care about systemic improvements. ..And college soccer doesn’t use pro soccer substitution rules so it isn’t really even the same game. It’s a track meet on grass. Why would a pro club want a player who basically lost 1-4 prime playing years in that environment? Miles Robinson and Julian Gressel are on the phone. They disagree. If I could like this 1000 times I would. Both of these guys were overlooked/late bloomers. Both are good players. Will Gressel ever play for the German National team, very doubtful, but I think if he wanted to go back to Germany he could easily play in the Bundesliga. He would not be on Bayern or Dortmund but I could see him on other teams. Miles is a typical center back. They take more time to mature. He will do very well if he can stay out of the doctor's office. |
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