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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jun 16, 2020 7:01:29 GMT -5
That is no different really than what GA soccer rules really read either. There are almost no reschedules except for rain-outs anyway at least as far as matchdays go. Now there are plenty of times where games might need to be moved around to a different time etc... That happened all the time last season in SCCL-P and probably SCCL-C as well. At the beginning of the week our team would be playing at 10am then it gets moved to 1pm instead due to a conflict with one of the coaches coaching another game. They aren't going to fine teams for moving around times on match day as long as both teams agree. The fine will come into play really only when one team pisses off the other one which again rarely happens. I hope you are not saying that if both teams agree to reschedule their game for another date SCCL-P will charge them $250 for it. Blame GA Soccer for a lot of things but this is not one of them. Never heard teams charged to reschedule for a date that both sides had agreed to. If you care to share specifics to the opposite, please do. You may need to direct that to the other poster I replied to not me. I am in agreement with you. SCCL is not going to charge a $250 fee for rescheduling times or probably even days for games unless one team pushes it and is pissed off at the other, and even then I doubt the other team gets fined if there is a reasonable reason for the movement. |
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Post by atlutd17 on Jun 16, 2020 10:13:13 GMT -5
Yeah this was likely always going to be the case. We got the word that our homes games will actually be home games now a month or so ago (not some SSA field an hour away from where we train). The parents on my son's team loved hearing that news. I'm also excited that the Coach/TM will now have more leeway on game times and arranging make-ups etc... It was too rigid in the previous format and it was impossible to get convenient make-ups scheduled since the whole club had to be able to do it on that day. Are you sure about the leeway on makeups? I read the following: NPL and SCCL will now fine teams $250 per incident, for games that need to be rescheduled for reasons other than inclement weather. If your team is charged a re-schedule fee, the amount will be divided equally among all rostered players, regardless of individual participation and is considered an additional expense (not included in the participation fees). $250 fee per "incident" when both teams agree to reschedule their game for another day? Where is that posted? Do you have a link to share or something? |
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Post by coffee on Jun 16, 2020 10:44:26 GMT -5
So in the “Player Made The Team” email, there was the following section:
“NPL and SCCL will now fine teams $250 per incident, for games that need to be rescheduled for reasons other than inclement weather. If your team is charged a re-schedule fee, the amount will be divided equally among all rostered players, regardless of individual participation and is considered an additional expense (not included in the participation fees).”
There weren’t any more details provided.
I can’t imagine that they will imposes that fee if there is mutual consent, and plenty of time for referees, facilities, etc.., to adjust. Now if the teams try to do it will little warning, or create other difficulties for anyone involved I think there’s an increasing likelihood of a fine being imposed.
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 16, 2020 10:57:24 GMT -5
Are you sure about the leeway on makeups? I read the following: NPL and SCCL will now fine teams $250 per incident, for games that need to be rescheduled for reasons other than inclement weather. If your team is charged a re-schedule fee, the amount will be divided equally among all rostered players, regardless of individual participation and is considered an additional expense (not included in the participation fees). $250 fee per "incident" when both teams agree to reschedule their game for another day? Where is that posted? Do you have a link to share or something? Here is what the SCCL rules say about fines and rescheduling: SCHEDULING OF GAMES Schedules for SCCL League play are created by the League using the dates agreed upon by the SCCL league member clubs. Field locations and times are provided by SCCL member clubs and provided to the League Director prior to the published seasonal deadline. Schedule changes may only be made with permission of the SCCL. Should a change be made without approval and coordination of the SCCL, the game will be forfeit by the team(s) found to be at fault and the game will be charged as a forfeit against the team(s). The team at fault will be assessed a $250 fine. If both teams are deemed at fault, they will share in the cost of the referee crew and assignor fees. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jun 16, 2020 11:02:39 GMT -5
$250 fee per "incident" when both teams agree to reschedule their game for another day? Where is that posted? Do you have a link to share or something? Here is what the SCCL rules say about fines and rescheduling: SCHEDULING OF GAMES Schedules for SCCL League play are created by the League using the dates agreed upon by the SCCL league member clubs. Field locations and times are provided by SCCL member clubs and provided to the League Director prior to the published seasonal deadline. Schedule changes may only be made with permission of the SCCL. Should a change be made without approval and coordination of the SCCL, the game will be forfeit by the team(s) found to be at fault and the game will be charged as a forfeit against the team(s). The team at fault will be assessed a $250 fine. If both teams are deemed at fault, they will share in the cost of the referee crew and assignor fees. Thank you. I knew it was something like this. Of course if referees show up and the two teams last minute change stuff the referees and assignors still need to be paid. That makes perfect sense. GA Soccer has a similar provision as well just like this. |
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Post by atlutd17 on Jun 16, 2020 11:22:48 GMT -5
$250 fee per "incident" when both teams agree to reschedule their game for another day? Where is that posted? Do you have a link to share or something? Here is what the SCCL rules say about fines and rescheduling: SCHEDULING OF GAMES Schedules for SCCL League play are created by the League using the dates agreed upon by the SCCL league member clubs. Field locations and times are provided by SCCL member clubs and provided to the League Director prior to the published seasonal deadline. Schedule changes may only be made with permission of the SCCL. Should a change be made without approval and coordination of the SCCL, the game will be forfeit by the team(s) found to be at fault and the game will be charged as a forfeit against the team(s). The team at fault will be assessed a $250 fine. If both teams are deemed at fault, they will share in the cost of the referee crew and assignor fees. Thank you for sharing unbiased information just as is written in the rules. That's what I was looking for. |
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Post by Keeper on Jun 16, 2020 13:07:48 GMT -5
I think it’s a great idea to charge teams for trying to move the schedule. We have black out dates and requests in preseason for a reason. Once the schedule is set it should be final except for weather/field conditions, otherwise why even have a scheduler, just let each team schedule their own individual games. If players and families can’t figure out their weekends during soccer season out then they need to go play at a lower level.
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Post by atlutd17 on Jun 16, 2020 13:30:16 GMT -5
I think it’s a great idea to charge teams for trying to move the schedule. We have black out dates and requests in preseason for a reason. Once the schedule is set it should be final except for weather/field conditions, otherwise why even have a scheduler, just let each team schedule their own individual games. If players and families can’t figure out their weekends during soccer season out then they need to go play at a lower level. Hold on, SCCL teams have the right to request black out dates? How many? |
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Post by Keeper on Jun 16, 2020 13:35:56 GMT -5
I think it’s a great idea to charge teams for trying to move the schedule. We have black out dates and requests in preseason for a reason. Once the schedule is set it should be final except for weather/field conditions, otherwise why even have a scheduler, just let each team schedule their own individual games. If players and families can’t figure out their weekends during soccer season out then they need to go play at a lower level. Hold on, SCCL teams have the right to request black out dates? How many? Depends on the coach and club, but we were told four days. But SCCL is different since it’s club wide so that’s do at Doc level. But again if you’re a high level committed player why are you needing weekends off during the season. |
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Post by atlutd17 on Jun 16, 2020 15:31:21 GMT -5
Hold on, SCCL teams have the right to request black out dates? How many? Depends on the coach and club, but we were told four days. But SCCL is different since it’s club wide so that’s do at Doc level. But again if you’re a high level committed player why are you needing weekends off during the season. So a team with 90% same roster moving from Classic to SSCL is all of a sudden different level? But that's beside the point which is, if that team can still have its 4 blackouts in the fall. |
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Post by Keeper on Jun 16, 2020 15:37:04 GMT -5
Depends on the coach and club, but we were told four days. But SCCL is different since it’s club wide so that’s do at Doc level. But again if you’re a high level committed player why are you needing weekends off during the season. So a team with 90% same roster moving from Classic to SSCL is all of a sudden different level? But that's beside the point which is, if that team can still have its 4 blackouts in the fall. Well I do not know of any Classic teams that are moving straight into the SCCL-Club level. But even if they had won C1 and were going to Piedmont NL then they wouldn't have any black out dates or control over the schedule.
But a Classic 2 team moving to SCCL Premier 2, then yes they are suppose to have black out dates. But that depends on the club and coach if that gets to the parents. Some clubs use those for the coaching staff and just tell the parents to show up.
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Post by atlutd17 on Jun 16, 2020 16:07:07 GMT -5
So a team with 90% same roster moving from Classic to SSCL is all of a sudden different level? But that's beside the point which is, if that team can still have its 4 blackouts in the fall. Well I do not know of any Classic teams that are moving straight into the SCCL-Club level. But even if they had won C1 and were going to Piedmont NL then they wouldn't have any black out dates or control over the schedule.
But a Classic 2 team moving to SCCL Premier 2, then yes they are suppose to have black out dates. But that depends on the club and coach if that gets to the parents. Some clubs use those for the coaching staff and just tell the parents to show up.
All Roswell, Ambush and Rush top teams are moving straight to SCCL-Club as far as I know. Some teams were in NL and at least one fell apart. More than half of the teams from those 3 clubs were in Classic and Athena divisions last fall. And their 2nd and 3rd teams from lower Classic and Athena will be SCCL-P1 or 2. You answered my question though for blackout dates on SCCL-P, and thank you. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Jun 17, 2020 12:05:17 GMT -5
Hold on, SCCL teams have the right to request black out dates? How many? Depends on the coach and club, but we were told four days. But SCCL is different since it’s club wide so that’s do at Doc level. But again if you’re a high level committed player why are you needing weekends off during the season. I think some clubs use the blackout dates so they can send teams to out of town tournaments in the middle of the season and not have to worry about conflicts with league games. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jun 18, 2020 7:04:09 GMT -5
Hold on, SCCL teams have the right to request black out dates? How many? Depends on the coach and club, but we were told four days. But SCCL is different since it’s club wide so that’s do at Doc level. But again if you’re a high level committed player why are you needing weekends off during the season. Actually since I had a kid in SCCL-P last season that acted the same as the SCCL-C division last year but will change this year. We had the ability of having blackout dates. The DOC's knew the trouble weeks/weekends due to schools being out and most of our black out dates fell where most teams would have issues having enough for a game due to families going on vacation due to school being out. Also in the beginning the SCCL schedule would kind of tentatively come out with match days but no times (just like GA Soccer did), and inevitably a handful of games would get shifted around a bit in the first 2-4 weeks before the season started. Now granted we knew those match days generally a full 2 weeks or so before GA Soccer ever posted their divisions much less the schedule for the Classic/Athena divisions. So it was almost as if things got published and then there is a grace period of a few weeks for clubs to work out alternative arrangements to move around games before the season. I expect the P1-3 divisions to be more like a Classic/Athena situation where SCCL makes the schedule, but the local teams will have more leeway at the beginning to move stuff around if need be and both teams agree especially if that movement happens before the season even starts. |
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Post by themaker on Jun 18, 2020 13:15:26 GMT -5
Glad to see the minor detail/rule was removed that a team not paying the $250 fee would result in an 0-3 loss being recorded. Yes- it was as ridiculous as it sounds.
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