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Post by mightydawg on Jun 12, 2020 15:09:48 GMT -5
More details are coming out about how SCCL will work. In SCCL-P, 2 teams promoted and relegated per season as long as more than 8 teams in the group.
Here are sections from the SCCL rules about Promotion & Relegation and Club Passing.
PROMOTION & RELEGATION
Club Level: It is within the authority of each Club level member to choose the team and players who play at this level.
Premier Level: There will be promotion and relegation within the Premier level. In groups more than eight teams, two teams will be promoted, and two teams will be relegated each season. In groups of eight or less, there will be only one team promoted and one team relegated each season. The SCCL Board of Directors reserve the right to adjust ensure appropriately competitive divisions.
For 13U - 14U there are two seasons/year --- fall and spring. For 15U and older, the fall season is the only official season of the year.
CLUB PASS:
Club Level: Club pass may be used to assign up to three players to an older team. Club level players may not be passed onto any level of premier play.
Premier Level: Club pass may be used to assign up to three players except for 19U which can have five club pass players to:
A higher-level team at the same age group (SCCL Club level is considered a higher-level team than any SCCL Premier Level team).
Either the same or higher-level team at an older age group.
Under no circumstances, may players ever be utilized on a lower or younger level team.
Players may play a maximum of two games in one day.
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 12, 2020 15:15:11 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the same field and set up standards that made SCCL so nice, will no longer be required for SCCL-P SCCL STANDARDS - GAME DAY SCCL - CLUB MEMBERS All club game dates will be played with home and away fixtures with an opposing club member. All 12U – 19U games will play a fixture schedule with each club, and all gender-specific teams will play on the same date, against the same club with all boys teams at one club’s home fields and the girls teams at the other club’s home fields. All games must be played at the same location. Field Set Up: - The host club will provide a tent at each bench
- Each field should have either an SCCL A-Frame or an SCCL Tear-Drop banner.
- A water station will be placed at midfield between both benches (this is suspended until further notice - Fall 2020)
Required at the venue: - A certified/licensed athletic trainer must be on hand for all SCCL Fixture game days.
SCCL PREMIER - TEAM MEMBERS Field Set Up: - Standards described above are encouraged, but optional.
Required at the venue: - Athletic trainers described above are encouraged, but optional.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 12, 2020 15:30:47 GMT -5
It shouldn't be that tough for every club to get two 12' x 12' canopy tents for every field. Water stations should also be pretty easy. Regarding the medical personnel, that should be a selling point for every club.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 12, 2020 23:49:11 GMT -5
It shouldn't be that tough for every club to get two 12' x 12' canopy tents for every field. Water stations should also be pretty easy. Regarding the medical personnel, that should be a selling point for every club. I remember playing against NTH and they didn't provide tents for everyone. In some fields, only to their own teams. |
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Post by themaker on Jun 13, 2020 5:00:32 GMT -5
Carefully posted after signing day. SCCLP will now be ran & have the same game day standards of GA soccer. That’s a punch in the gut to original SCCLP 1 teams.
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 13, 2020 5:53:34 GMT -5
Carefully posted after signing day. SCCLP will now be ran & have the same game day standards of GA soccer. That’s a punch in the gut to original SCCLP 1 teams. Exactly. Should have kept the requirements. If a club can’t meet the requirements, don’t let them in. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 13, 2020 7:37:20 GMT -5
Like Atlfutbol dad said its not that hard to do, so i think most clubs will do it when they can. Right now its just a tent, no one is providing water due to the pandemic restrictions.
I think what makes it harder to do it for Premier level is that they won't be playing at the same time at the same place so its harder to keep up. Club level, they know one whole club is coming and its easier to set up multiple fields at the same time.
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Post by BubbleDad on Jun 13, 2020 8:15:55 GMT -5
My biggest concern is medical staff. Daughter played a SCCLP game against GSA. They had to change locations, daughter re-rolls her ankle during the game... no medical staff to be found ...
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 13, 2020 9:48:29 GMT -5
My biggest concern is medical staff. Daughter played a SCCLP game against GSA. They had to change locations, daughter re-rolls her ankle during the game... no medical staff to be found ... Personally I think medical staff should be a requirement for all levels. One person with a tent at each field. Many of the hospitals and therapy practices are willing to do this at no or little expense to the clubs because it is advertising for them. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 13, 2020 10:34:11 GMT -5
My biggest concern is medical staff. Daughter played a SCCLP game against GSA. They had to change locations, daughter re-rolls her ankle during the game... no medical staff to be found ... GSA was supposed to have someone there, so if they didn't before they probably won't in the future UFA always had an Emory trainer at the parks |
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Post by soccerworld1974 on Jun 14, 2020 12:10:15 GMT -5
With more possible stringent budgets, I think it will be harder for clubs to keep these trainers onsite as much as they did in the past. Hope that is not the case though
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Post by atlutd17 on Jun 14, 2020 13:28:14 GMT -5
With more possible stringent budgets, I think it will be harder for clubs to keep these trainers onsite as much as they did in the past. Hope that is not the case though So other than Atlanta United, what clubs separate themselves from the rest in terms of investing in player development resource innovation? Coaches, trainers, psychologists, classrooms, field space and indoor facilities, equipment, weight lifting rooms to name a few. Some clubs sure have managed to separate themselves in terms of league competitions at the top, and after all, if the next USNT players don't come out of that cream of the crop, then who? Europe? |
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Post by insideinfo on Jun 14, 2020 19:04:49 GMT -5
With more possible stringent budgets, I think it will be harder for clubs to keep these trainers onsite as much as they did in the past. Hope that is not the case though So other than Atlanta United, what clubs separate themselves from the rest in terms of investing in player development resource innovation? Coaches, trainers, psychologists, classrooms, field space and indoor facilities, equipment, weight lifting rooms to name a few. Some clubs sure have managed to separate themselves in terms of league competitions at the top, and after all, if the next USNT players don't come out of that cream of the crop, then who? Europe? Locally none, no club has the resources for that Does AUFC have a residency program yet? I saw you mentioned classroom |
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Post by atlutd17 on Jun 15, 2020 14:27:39 GMT -5
So other than Atlanta United, what clubs separate themselves from the rest in terms of investing in player development resource innovation? Coaches, trainers, psychologists, classrooms, field space and indoor facilities, equipment, weight lifting rooms to name a few. Some clubs sure have managed to separate themselves in terms of league competitions at the top, and after all, if the next USNT players don't come out of that cream of the crop, then who? Europe? Locally none, no club has the resources for that Does AUFC have a residency program yet? I saw you mentioned classroom So, you're saying that no club in the area has the resources for any of that? Not even half of that? And the faith of the most gifted players is in their hands? No wonder ... |
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 18, 2020 11:26:44 GMT -5
New addition to the SCCL rules that I found interesting:
In Premier play, no transfers within the club may be made after September 15th for the fall season and after March 15 for the spring season.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jun 18, 2020 11:35:20 GMT -5
New addition to the SCCL rules that I found interesting: In Premier play, no transfers within the club may be made after September 15th for the fall season and after March 15 for the spring season. I never knew this was an issue within clubs. I assumed most movement happened early, and if anything the players just guest play on other teams rather than fully transferring since there is nothing against the rules on that. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 18, 2020 11:49:30 GMT -5
So, you're saying that no club in the area has the resources for any of that? Not even half of that? And the faith of the most gifted players is in their hands? No wonder ... So do you think the clubs are making way more money than they are? Maybe UFA, NTH, and CF...but most everyone else is on shoestring budgets. Many are non-profits and don't rollover much money from year to year. Someone mentioned that UFA is no longer a non-profit and their money may be making its way to Africa. This is not Europe, where people pay money to see low level professionals play sports...which in turn fund their academies. |
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Post by atlutd17 on Jun 18, 2020 13:07:30 GMT -5
So, you're saying that no club in the area has the resources for any of that? Not even half of that? And the faith of the most gifted players is in their hands? No wonder ... So do you think the clubs are making way more money than they are? Maybe UFA, NTH, and CF...but most everyone else is on shoestring budgets. Many are non-profits and don't rollover much money from year to year. Someone mentioned that UFA is no longer a non-profit and their money may be making its way to Africa. This is not Europe, where people pay money to see low level professionals play sports...which in turn fund their academies. 1. Yes and no. CF, NTH, UFA, SSA and AFU are not Atlanta United but, they can afford to have more and better resources than all the rest. They just do not see the value. There is also no competition anymore to threaten them outside AU, so just being better than the rest must be enough. Some individual coaches are the ones to carry that load to an extent, like some teachers do in school. 2. This varies from club to club and country. Academies overseas are funded through club and player transfer fees, and yes, often times parents also as members. They have it all and even residency (schools) in some cases. Club alone can't sustain it without taking a loss and that's the missing piece here (transfer fees). Having said that, in addition to contracts (where all is covered in return), some clubs do offer yearly membership academy programs where you can pay to train and play without a binding contract signed by the parents. When they feel you have potential to pro or market material, they'll try to bind you and ask you to sign a contract. That usually means they feel you can either develop to play on the club's top team one day and/or have the potential in a few years to at least have a transfer market value higher than your cost to them. And they can release you at any time. 3. No we're not Europe nor saying we should be. Forget EPL or LaLiga etc. Top divisions in mid European markets (Portugal, Holland, Belgium, Croatia, Russia) and 2nd divisions in the top markets (England, Spain, Germany, Italy, France) cost anywhere between $5-$45 per match and the quality is better than the MLS. Stadium capacities, player quality on roster and salaries are more balanced than here in those divisions. The biggest difference with their fans, they are club supporters in mind no matter where they sit. They go for their club more than the sport. Some of them watch their club in multiple sports. Different world at that. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 18, 2020 13:28:50 GMT -5
If you were to compare non-MLS US clubs to anything, AT BEST, they would be English League Two (and thats only the clubs with USL Championship bracket teams). Those clubs are generally on a shoestring budget also (see clubs like Charleston Battery). People on here have speculated that CF and NTH have millions in the bank. There is speculation that some UFA money goes to Africa. No idea about GSA or SSA.
I have doubts that AFU even has 6-figures in the bank by early May. I assume the other clubs in the area are in better financial straits.
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Post by atlutd17 on Jun 18, 2020 13:46:54 GMT -5
If you were to compare non-MLS US clubs to anything, AT BEST, they would be English League Two (and thats only the clubs with USL Championship bracket teams). Those clubs are generally on a shoestring budget also (see clubs like Charleston Battery). People on here have speculated that CF and NTH have millions in the bank. There is speculation that some UFA money goes to Africa. No idea about GSA or SSA. I have doubts that AFU even has 6-figures in the bank by early May. I assume the other clubs in the area are in better financial straits. We can't count on MLS alone, it's a big country. The big clubs here with money won't do it. Yet all those USL clubs need to be able to self sustain and grow locally and beyond (see Tormenta example). It's for USSF to help them, and encourage more youth clubs to join. And for top youth clubs the size of ours, you don't need millions or match what AU does to improve resources, when most of us agree we need to do better. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Jun 18, 2020 14:53:10 GMT -5
I Would say AFU needs to be taken off the "rich list". Their numbers have been dwindling for a few years now and they certainly are not cash rich. I would say they are one of the clubs operating on a tight budget and need as much money as they can get.
I'm also not sure how rich GSA is. I think they bring in plenty but spend it. I have no idea where it is spent but I do not believe they have it sitting around in a reserve account.
I have always heard the other Big 4 have money, but I don't know that for a fact.
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