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Post by soccerlegacy on Jun 26, 2020 10:24:55 GMT -5
Also Grinch why arw your panties in such a wad? perhaps if you read my reply and realize I wasn't joking.. it would clear it up for you.
I actually DID get a call yesterday about a close relative dying of complications from covid. And we have honeybadger over here pretending he's a fox news medical correspondent spouting bullshizat. My DEEPEST apologies I upset someones feefees.
So sorry for your loss, Grinch. Seriously, those calls are never easy. Do you mind telling us if this was someone young, old, or someone our age (I'm assuming all us parents are relatively close in age)? For transparency, I'm not trying lend ammunition to any political slant, just trying to gather as much information as I can, even anecdotal evidence such as this...
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Post by rifle on Jun 26, 2020 22:34:03 GMT -5
Also Grinch why arw your panties in such a wad? perhaps if you read my reply and realize I wasn't joking.. it would clear it up for you.
I actually DID get a call yesterday about a close relative dying of complications from covid. And we have honeybadger over here pretending he's a fox news medical correspondent spouting bullshizat. My DEEPEST apologies I upset someones feefees.
condolences to you.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 27, 2020 7:16:07 GMT -5
Is there anyone out there that has more information on this topic that can respond in an intelligent non insulting way? There are several studies showing irreversible lung damage in the most seriously ill patients regardless of age. Northwestern hospital just did a lung transplant on a woman in her 20's who was otherwise healthy that they felt had lung damage so severe that she would not ever get off the ventilator. Some studies are also showing lung damage that is milder and may be reversible even in asymptomatic patients. There was a comment stating they don't know if that milder form happens in patients with other respiratory viruses because they have not studied those to this extent.
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Post by ga3v3 on Jun 27, 2020 10:48:23 GMT -5
Isn’t it ironic that the ones that want to get back to Normal/playing most urgently are the same ones that will not wear a mask and chastise those that do?
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Post by bogan on Jun 27, 2020 10:54:45 GMT -5
Isn’t it ironic that the ones that want to get back to Normal/playing most urgently are the same ones that will not wear a mask and chastise those that do? Yeah-this shouldn’t be a political issue-it’s a health issue. I’m for whatever will help end the spread of the virus with the least amount of lives lost.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 27, 2020 12:09:16 GMT -5
It's a lot easier to attract flies with honey. Many Americans do not respond well to mandates/orders. The approach to mask encouragement should be different if you want to achieve desired results.
Mask wear should be designated for close contact/confined spaces where airflow is limited. Every time I see someone wearing one while driving alone in their cars, smh. Also, seen a decent amount of mask/PPE litter...
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 27, 2020 15:44:18 GMT -5
It's a lot easier to attract flies with honey. Many Americans do not respond well to mandates/orders. The approach to mask encouragement should be different if you want to achieve desired results. Mask wear should be designated for close contact/confined spaces where airflow is limited. Every time I see someone wearing one while driving alone in their cars, smh. Also, seen a decent amount of mask/PPE litter... So what honey would you offer? Pay them to wear a mask? A mandate is the only thing that will make non-believers heed to advice of medical experts. There are a few non-believers who do it as a kindness to others so they will feel more comfortable. Kudos to those who do that as well because they are letting kindness guide them even if they don't believe the science.
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Post by rudy on Jun 27, 2020 17:55:46 GMT -5
Not wearing one. After some of the stuff seen on television with nothing mentioned from the media or politicians, tells me it is not a priority.
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Post by bogan on Jun 27, 2020 18:12:28 GMT -5
Not wearing one. After some of the stuff seen on television with nothing mentioned from the media or politicians, tells me it is not a priority. Understood-but please keep your distance-if not for yourself-for someone else.
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Post by mistergrinch on Jun 27, 2020 18:33:33 GMT -5
Not wearing one. After some of the stuff seen on television with nothing mentioned from the media or politicians, tells me it is not a priority. Wait.. you're telling me that you haven't heard mention of wearing masks from the media or politicians? Which part of Mississippi are you in?
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Post by rudy on Jun 27, 2020 18:45:45 GMT -5
Not what I said. When all the large protests were going on, how quickly the media forgot about social distancing and masks. It wasn't until after those quieted down did the whole mask coverage come back.
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Post by rifle on Jun 27, 2020 20:17:11 GMT -5
I’m seen protestors wearing masks. I’ve seen businesses opening up. I’ve seen a massive explosion of cases.
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Post by honeybadger on Jun 27, 2020 20:31:41 GMT -5
rudy, exactly. Just found out from my uncle over in Alabama that one of his coworkers tested positive for COVID-19 . They asked how many lived in his house . He said 5. The line on the medical form that asked for how many cases of covid was listed as FIVE! Without one test on those other family members. My sister works at a hospital in a major Midwest city in upper administration. They have done similar things. So, numbers are spiking for three reasons: 1. There are more tests available so of course more cases. 2. And assumptions are being made on the cases. 3. The thousands and thousands and thousands out burning down cities who don't care about social distancing and probably haven't used a bottle of germ-x in months have probably not helped the numbers. And before anyone calls me hearltless because we can always point to "that one case that hits close to home", I'm obviously saying that to ANYONE who loses a member to CV, of course it may as well be 100% fatal because it has taken a loved one. My heart goes out. But loved ones get taken daily from flu, pneumonia (my own father 3 years ago), etc. Only point I'm making is many don't get the flu shot and we all know flu will be back during the season. Do we shut down everyone from playing who doesn't get a flu shot? NO. Why don't we? Serious question. Why allow people to play flu who don't get vaccinated? Not everyone is going to get the CV vaccine when it's available (I'm not). CV will be with us every flu season. So, we shut down every year? At some point we are going to have to get out, mingle, get it, get over, get immune, of get vaccinated. We can't live in a basement forever. Millions have already gotten it and recovered and never knew they had it. Who gets the flu and had no idea they got it? Most know they have something. Read the mental health stories-not just CV. Anxiety, suicidal thoughts, depression, people getting medicated, all on the rise. Poverty is up. People out of work. Crime is way up. Supply chains disrupted and it's because of something that kills 99.8% of people. It's not popular on this platform but I'm speaking my opinion just like everyone else and my opinion is this: play soccer, if you don't weant your kids playing, get released so that others who want a spot can play, and if you want your kid to play , maybe keep grandma and grandpa away. You have that freedom. No one is forced to play. But let those who want to play play, instead of shutting it down because a few don't want to play. If 80% of parents are good, let's play. We live in a snowball society (just like when one county shuts down school because of snow, all counties follow; when the NBA stopped playing, sports followed daily shutting the season down). Same with this "spike in numbers". If one state cancels soccer, others will follow in order to be in the group. The more articles that appear on here everytime someone in some club someplace in American gets CV19, the more people will freak and it ends up being a self fullfilling prophecy. Lets have 2 weeks of just talking about soccer, leagues vs leagues, clubs vs clubs, etc. and quit talking about a virus that is 99.8% non fatal. If you want soccer to cancel in the fall, keep talking about it daily with every reported case. if you want to play, let's stop filling the posts up (like I'm doing now:)
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Post by mistercalcio on Jun 27, 2020 22:58:21 GMT -5
rudy, exactly. Just found out from my uncle over in Alabama that one of his coworkers tested positive for COVID-19 . They asked how many lived in his house . He said 5. The line on the medical form that asked for how many cases of covid was listed as FIVE! Without one test on those other family members. My sister works at a hospital in a major Midwest city in upper administration. They have done similar things. So, numbers are spiking for three reasons: 1. There are more tests available so of course more cases. 2. And assumptions are being made on the cases. 3. The thousands and thousands and thousands out burning down cities who don't care about social distancing and probably haven't used a bottle of germ-x in months have probably not helped the numbers. And before anyone calls me hearltless because we can always point to "that one case that hits close to home", I'm obviously saying that to ANYONE who loses a member to CV, of course it may as well be 100% fatal because it has taken a loved one. My heart goes out. But loved ones get taken daily from flu, pneumonia (my own father 3 years ago), etc. Only point I'm making is many don't get the flu shot and we all know flu will be back during the season. Do we shut down everyone from playing who doesn't get a flu shot? NO. Why don't we? Serious question. Why allow people to play flu who don't get vaccinated? Not everyone is going to get the CV vaccine when it's available (I'm not). CV will be with us every flu season. So, we shut down every year? At some point we are going to have to get out, mingle, get it, get over, get immune, of get vaccinated. We can't live in a basement forever. Millions have already gotten it and recovered and never knew they had it. Who gets the flu and had no idea they got it? Most know they have something. Read the mental health stories-not just CV. Anxiety, suicidal thoughts, depression, people getting medicated, all on the rise. Poverty is up. People out of work. Crime is way up. Supply chains disrupted and it's because of something that kills 99.8% of people. It's not popular on this platform but I'm speaking my opinion just like everyone else and my opinion is this: play soccer, if you don't weant your kids playing, get released so that others who want a spot can play, and if you want your kid to play , maybe keep grandma and grandpa away. You have that freedom. No one is forced to play. But let those who want to play play, instead of shutting it down because a few don't want to play. If 80% of parents are good, let's play. We live in a snowball society (just like when one county shuts down school because of snow, all counties follow; when the NBA stopped playing, sports followed daily shutting the season down). Same with this "spike in numbers". If one state cancels soccer, others will follow in order to be in the group. The more articles that appear on here everytime someone in some club someplace in American gets CV19, the more people will freak and it ends up being a self fullfilling prophecy. Lets have 2 weeks of just talking about soccer, leagues vs leagues, clubs vs clubs, etc. and quit talking about a virus that is 99.8% non fatal. If you want soccer to cancel in the fall, keep talking about it daily with every reported case. if you want to play, let's stop filling the posts up (like I'm doing now:) Edit: I post this, genuinely, mostly because you have consistently, completely disregarded the researched and/or hugely impactful points others have made to demolish your “BUT THE FLU GUYS!” opinion.
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Post by parent2000 on Jun 28, 2020 7:59:21 GMT -5
Technically not “honey” but a good start to finding some common ground would be to not call people stupid or make fun of where they came from (which of course always seems to be some Southern state).
We’re lucky that down here we (for the most part) don’t live on top of one another like other larger cities. Thus we are able to distance ourselves as needed in public. That should continue to be the number one priority with masks coming in to play when you cannot maintain that distance.
That said, I do find some inconsistencies between the demands to wear masks all the time in public (everyone above the age of two) yet we’re fine with our kids playing contact sports not only at practice with the same team members each week (moderate risk) but looking forward to not only playing other teams across Atlanta (increased risk) but also from out of state (highest risk) when tournaments begin a little over a month from now. And then not only that where you could make the argument the duration of two kids being together on the field at any given moment is relatively short, but most of us are getting ready to send our kids back to school where again there is no mask requirement. And in this case the durations are longer (roughly an hour at a time), switching classes, and for those in public high schools you’re looking at 2500+ kids where you know it is impossible to socially distance.
How is all of that okay but walking by someone at a distance with my mouth shut (not talking, coughing, sneezing, etc) is considered cruel and thoughtless because I wasn’t wearing a mask? And that I’m somehow making a political statement? (I’m not.)
But on the other hand I also don’t think people should force their way on businesses who have decided to mandate masks. If you don’t like it, don’t shop there. Don’t go in and make a scene talking about your rights.
My overall point here is not to agitate but rather to say that for the most part (can not speak for all), people are not stupid or ignorant because they don’t agree with your viewpoint. Please try to keep that in mind if you would like to have a constructive debate.
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Post by bogan on Jun 28, 2020 8:27:35 GMT -5
“The state of Georgia reported nearly 2,000 new COVID-19 cases on Saturday, a new record since the start of the pandemic, and a high-water mark that comes only a day after the state set its previous high.
The state Department of Public Health reported 1,990 new cases and six deaths from the disease. Georgia has reported more than 1,700 cases in each of the past five days.” AJC today.
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Post by ga3v3 on Jun 28, 2020 8:48:39 GMT -5
Right. It doesn’t matter if you think we will play this fall or not because if this upward trend continues there is no way they will let the kids back no matter what the actual “facts” are.
If it’s important that we as a society get back to somewhat normal for both the economy and our sanity, please do what ever you can to slow the spread. It’s not rocket science
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Post by baller84 on Jun 28, 2020 10:07:56 GMT -5
It's harder than rocket science frankly. And if you want the actual facts, visit a hospital next few weeks to see for yourself.
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Post by sanesoccerdad on Jun 28, 2020 12:03:32 GMT -5
There is a monumental amount of stupid on this thread.
Just because Fox News didn't tell you the protesters were wearing masks (they were), doesn't mean viruses don't spread when people crowd together in bars.
When they cancel the season, honeybadger, it's directly on you and the people like you.
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Post by bogan on Jun 28, 2020 15:09:53 GMT -5
From M El-Erian-“
“This milestone -- of 10 million COVID cases globally -- has been reached in the context of record daily cases in the US and in developing countries.
The silver lining: record testing.
Bad news: the compositional evolution means harder to detect in a more timely fashion the infection carriers (due to rising number of cases among the young in the US) and huge human suffering (in developing countries where health care systems are easily overwhelmed).
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Post by kidsocceruber on Jun 28, 2020 15:18:59 GMT -5
The divide on wearing a mask or not from my perspective looks to be political, on social media and I suspect even in this thread. If we polled everyone here I think the results would be telling. Look at the lunatics that go off the deep end when they're asked to wear a mask in a private business/establishment, tell me that's a rational response to what the rest of the world doesn't seem to be losing it over? This is far from over, we probably shouldn't treat it like it is. We can go back to sports, our kids can play together, but if we're not careful(I'm talking to the Florida and Texas younger population) we're going to have a serious regression. Attachments:
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Post by parent2000 on Jun 29, 2020 9:03:20 GMT -5
Two of the large Atlanta clubs have already sent out an email stating their prorated fee policy “if” there is another suspension of play. There will be another suspension of play. And a third. Until everyone takes this seriously. Can someone share who the clubs are?
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Post by soccergurl on Jun 29, 2020 15:45:43 GMT -5
honeybadger why u people ok with #1 and #2 but #3 u go cray cray
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Post by soccerelite11 on Jun 30, 2020 10:46:29 GMT -5
I doubt it. If/when schools start back, it will only take one teacher to test positive. That will mean - I am Guessing- that school will have to close/sanitize and implement testing. That will mean kids not being at practice (for any sport) and additional protocol for testing of kids and anyone who that teacher could have come in contact with. Just picture dominos....... Is there a protocol set up at clubs for this type of situation? www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/uga-confirms-143-positive-covid-cases-among-students-staff/8yUJqxOyXXQmgcZuum53ZN/University of Georgia has 143 cases. And school is not even in full swing yet
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Post by ball2futbol on Jun 30, 2020 12:21:05 GMT -5
As it relates to the Fall season, I think the decision rest on your level of exposure and risk tolerance. From the looks of summer training sessions across the metro, that tolerance is high!
But given current projections in specific states, the real question is for those playing ECNL/GAL/DPL-SE, will that tolerance level remain high, when Florida teams come visiting in late August? Or better yet what does the fall season even look like for those SE leagues.
Ummm are there any available spots left in the SCCL? Asking for a friend.
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Post by bogan on Jun 30, 2020 13:40:32 GMT -5
Checking Magic 8-ball...”Don’t count on it.”
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Post by fanatic21 on Jun 30, 2020 14:21:20 GMT -5
As it relates to the Fall season, I think the decision rest on your level of exposure and risk tolerance. From the looks of summer training sessions across the metro, that tolerance is high! But given current projections in specific states, the real question is for those playing ECNL/GAL/DPL-SE, will that tolerance level remain high, when Florida teams come visiting in late August? Or better yet what does the fall season even look like for those SE leagues. Ummm are there any available spots left in the SCCL? Asking for a friend. What age and gender? I think I know a few SCCL teams looking for players.
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Post by fridge on Jun 30, 2020 15:06:54 GMT -5
I think this is a close call. I keep predicting the US will get on with things, but then it doesn't. I think we will know a lot more in the next 30 days after we get past the "new" wave of positive tests in AZ, TX and FL we are seeing. Given the average age of positive results is below 40 and the tests given have increased dramatically, I hope that if the daily death rates stay where they are (around 500/day), which I predict they will, people under 60 w/ no comorbidities will get over the psych barrier. Again, the vulnerable need to be careful and stay protected. Of course, there is an election in November, so there is great incentive for those who want chaos/bad economy to continue to fearmong. They've been saying "two more weeks" for about 10 weeks now, let's see if that can last to November.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Jun 30, 2020 15:30:45 GMT -5
Big event at Silverback Stadium 2 weekend's ago for 150 + high school players. This was a full 3 day/night event with training, scrimmages and full games. No issues! Check out the positive twitter comments from the players who attended. Time to play.
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Post by bogan on Jun 30, 2020 15:37:40 GMT -5
Big event at Silverback Stadium 2 weekend's ago for 150 + high school players. This was a full 3 day/night event with training, scrimmages and full games. No issues! Check out the positive twitter comments from the players who attended. Time to play. I agree but don’t think we will-or at least, not for long.
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