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Post by lsagoalie on Jul 8, 2020 14:21:15 GMT -5
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 8, 2020 14:56:16 GMT -5
The dates do not make much sense because so little of the season is played by the time that they start the tournament. How will they seed teams with such little data?
IMPORTANT DATES:
September 19-20 - Round 1
October 3-4 - Round 2
November 7-8 and November 14-15 - Elite 8
December 5-6 - Final 4 Boys
December 12-13 - Final 4 Girls
December 19-20 - Final 4 Rain date
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 8, 2020 15:09:13 GMT -5
That is assuming that 1) we have a fall club season that starts on time 2) high school football doesn't move to the spring and potentially mess up high school soccer. I agree that they should do high school aged teams in the fall, but September is WAY too early for round 1. Half of the time the kids have played maybe 33% of their season by then. The timing for round 2 (October) makes sense for round 1. |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jul 8, 2020 15:11:14 GMT -5
Looks like round 1 is only if more than 14 teams apply per age group and they have to narrow that down. Round 2 if there are 8-14 teams per age bracket. 8 or less you go right to elite 8
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 8, 2020 23:43:41 GMT -5
5 weekends to do what they normally do in 2 in the spring?
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Post by atlutd17 on Jul 9, 2020 5:26:54 GMT -5
5 weekends to do what they normally do in 2 in the spring? In theory, counting the play-in games it's 5 weekends vs 3 weekends before. I can see couple reasons for it: 1. Three games over two weekends is more preferable for older kids than three back to back 90' games over a single weekend. 2. The need for more single elimination to eight teams for group play vs sixteen before. "Elite 8" has couple advantages: a) a much more competitive play within group & b) the opportunity for 2nd place to advance to semis out of group play. The disadvantage is less teams, but better for soccer. They prob had to plan for five weekends but only if more than 14 teams apply for the same group, which is unlikely. The fall calendar will still look busy around the NL event schedule but State Cup for HS ages in the fall was the right move and long overdue. |
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Post by atlutd17 on Jul 9, 2020 5:37:20 GMT -5
The dates do not make much sense because so little of the season is played by the time that they start the tournament. How will they seed teams with such little data? IMPORTANT DATES: September 19-20 - Round 1 October 3-4 - Round 2 November 7-8 and November 14-15 - Elite 8 December 5-6 - Final 4 Boys December 12-13 - Final 4 Girls December 19-20 - Final 4 Rain date They won't need to seed all teams, would be impossible anyway before season end. They'll seed by fall divisions of play and draw from within. |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Jul 9, 2020 7:06:21 GMT -5
Will Georgia State Cup have the same luster as it once had? I am asking because of the numerous teams that move to SCCL. Are they allowing those teams to play?
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Post by baller84 on Jul 9, 2020 7:28:27 GMT -5
Will Georgia State Cup have the same luster as it once had? I am asking because of the numerous teams that move to SCCL. Are they allowing those teams to play? SCCL clubs will want to play SCCL Cup in the spring and besides the new SC dates would conflict with SCCL fall season schedule. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Jul 9, 2020 8:10:00 GMT -5
They picked a bad year to move anything to the fall.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 9, 2020 8:31:06 GMT -5
They picked a bad year to move anything to the fall. Agreed, but doing it this way they ensured that no SCCL teams will join in their party. Guess they don't want that $$. |
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Post by baller84 on Jul 9, 2020 9:07:28 GMT -5
They picked a bad year to move anything to the fall. Agreed, but doing it this way they ensured that no SCCL teams will join in their party. Guess they don't want that $$. Come on now, SCCL would not join their party either way and give them $$ esp when SCCL Cup would be over 3 weekends in May. |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Jul 9, 2020 9:30:49 GMT -5
Agreed, but doing it this way they ensured that no SCCL teams will join in their party. Guess they don't want that $$. Come on now, SCCL would not join their party either way and give them $$ esp when SCCL Cup would be over 3 weekends in May. 2 things. 1) In regards to shutting out SCCL. If they do this then the winners of the State Cup truly wouldn't be champion due to lack of team/clubs being in the tournament 2)SCCL cup is in May, State Cup would be in the fall. So SCCL teams if dates are available would be able to play. Wonder if the new GA Executive Director would reach out to SCCL clubs to offer an Olive Branch to smooth over the feuding in both sides |
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Post by atlutd17 on Jul 9, 2020 10:40:11 GMT -5
Why not? Or, the SCCL clubs could welcome her same way.
Both sides willing however, you never know where it could lead in the future.
For SC, I think there was a USYS National Competition series rule requiring affiliated league participation to be eligible, except U19.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 9, 2020 10:47:22 GMT -5
I think our team would be interested in doing a fall state cup, but this schedule makes it nearly impossible. I'm sure some clubs have a beef against GA Soccer, but I don't think ours does. Oh well.
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Post by honeybadger on Jul 10, 2020 21:08:02 GMT -5
See you in State Cup and the regular NL season. |
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Post by baller84 on Jul 11, 2020 8:37:20 GMT -5
Let's be honest here and see things for what they are:
In state comparison over a decade
1. State Cup competition in 2018 was the level of President's Cup in 2008
2. State Cup competition in 2008 was the level of ECNL in 2018
3. ECNL competition in 2019 was improved compared to ECNL in 2009
4. SCCL and State Cup in 2019 were both at the level of President's Cup in 2009
Nationally
ECNL is as close to a National Championship as we can come. Currently.
USYS National Championship still has great value but is a close 2nd (no ECNL in many areas).
US Club National Championships in 2019 was President's Cup in 2009.
Regardless all that, or how diluted the leagues are, every competition MATTERS. We should realize that clubs are at the place they can be. Whether they want to be there or not is another story.
Players too are at the place they can be, and many where they want to be. They can't be accountable or compared with parameters they have no control over.
The competition before them (ECNL, State Cup, SCCL whatever) is their goal and these are the cards they're dealt. It means the world to them because it's their world. And that has all the value that it needs to have. Give it 100% to be the best you can be, enjoy it, and when you reach the top, repeat or move to the next level. The rest of us and what we think about each level is irrelevant. The improvement and enjoyment are all that should matter.
As for the new State Cup format and moving to the fall, what took them so long? Then again everything with GA Soccer seems to come too late.
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Post by lsagoalie on Jul 11, 2020 10:01:55 GMT -5
See you in State Cup and the regular NL season. Hopefully, our club has not given us the approval yet to sign up given the current covid 19 climate. |
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Post by atlutd17 on Jul 12, 2020 10:46:46 GMT -5
This is right out of the current USYS National Championships rule book so, it's not a GA Soccer question whether to allow ECNL or SCCL teams in State Cup. Assuming all else is good to go in goodwill, and no one accused of any violations, there needs to be participation in some sort of USYS League of at least 4 teams and 3 games with at least 50% of the players. Rule 221. TEAM ELIGIBILITY Section 1. The National Championships Competitions shall be open to any Team whose players are registered with US Youth Soccer through a State Association if the Team is in compliance with all of the following requirements: (1) The Team must be comprised of properly registered and rostered Youth Players (as
defined by US Youth Soccer). (2) The Team must be in good standing with its State Association and must be in compliance with, and has not violated, any of the bylaws and policies of US Youth Soccer. (3) The Team must be entered in the competition of the State Association in which at least
50 percent of its players are registered. (4) The Team must compete in at least a 4-Team approved league during the current
seasonal year in its State Association, US Youth Soccer National League or National League
Conferences, or with its State Association’s permission in another State Association, except
for the 19 and Under age group for boys and girls. The league competition must consist of a
minimum of one game against each of 3 different Teams participating in the league. Whether participation in any amateur league shall qualify a youth Team for Championship competition under this policy shall be determined by each State Association. (5) A Team must demonstrate continuity of rosters between the league and every level of the National Championships Competitions by maintaining a minimum of 9 players common to
the roster of the Team at every level of the competitions. |
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