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Post by mightydawg on Jul 15, 2020 12:44:08 GMT -5
There are baseball games/tournaments going on left and right so why wouldn't they be open for soccer? Exactly, I think that soccer and football are the only major sports that are not currently conducting tournaments and games. Basketball, baseball, and lacrosse are all playing currently. |
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Post by soccerspin on Jul 15, 2020 13:11:10 GMT -5
There are baseball games/tournaments going on left and right so why wouldn't they be open for soccer? Exactly, I think that soccer and football are the only major sports that are not currently conducting tournaments and games. Basketball, baseball, and lacrosse are all playing currently. This environment is changing by the day. Just because other sports have had tourneys up until this point does not guarantee they’ll continue. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Jul 15, 2020 13:13:08 GMT -5
There are baseball games/tournaments going on left and right so why wouldn't they be open for soccer? I saw one of these up close. Hundreds of parents gathered around.. kids all over the playground. No masks in sight.
All I could think was 'do you want to go back to not having baseball?'
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 15, 2020 15:11:35 GMT -5
There are baseball games/tournaments going on left and right so why wouldn't they be open for soccer? I saw one of these up close. Hundreds of parents gathered around.. kids all over the playground. No masks in sight.
All I could think was 'do you want to go back to not having baseball?'
In people 24 and under the death rate is less than 0.01%. Don't believe me go look at the CDC spreadsheet breakdown by age. There is no point to hinder children from doing normal activities nor really anyone healthy under 60 or so either. CDC projects mortality rate to eventually be around 0.26% but as of now others say around 1% either way if you are healthy and young you have almost 0% chance of dying from this and really not even that good of a chance of catching given that we only have 3.48 million cases and 328.2 million people in America. That is roughly a 1% chance as of now of getting it. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 15, 2020 15:26:14 GMT -5
@slickdaddy
I really think you do not understand infectious diseases, epidemiology, public health, etc.
1% of the population has tested positive. Up to 20% of people may be running around asymptomatic based on antibody studies. It is irrelevant that those people are young and healthy if they then go to the store without a mask and breathe on a 45 year old guy is the store with diabetes and heart disease. All of your comments that you have made over the last 4 months just continue to show me that you do not comprehend this whole issue.
The young and healthy spread to each other and to older patients who are more susceptible.
To be clear I am not opposed to youth sports during this pandemic, but I am opposed to spectators in close proximity to each other without masks. I am not opposed to in person school, but I am opposed to it without requiring masks, sneeze guards, spreading out the desks and other hygiene matters, as well as offering the choice to do remote school to those that can do it and want it.
There is a middle ground here, people.
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Post by YorePal on Jul 15, 2020 15:36:49 GMT -5
There has been one(1) COVID-19 death in Georgia under the age of 19. It was a 17yo male with an underlying health issue(comorbidity).
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 15, 2020 16:33:28 GMT -5
@slickdaddy I really think you do not understand infectious diseases, epidemiology, public health, etc. 1% of the population has tested positive. Up to 20% of people may be running around asymptomatic based on antibody studies. It is irrelevant that those people are young and healthy if they then go to the store without a mask and breathe on a 45 year old guy is the store with diabetes and heart disease. All of your comments that you have made over the last 4 months just continue to show me that you do not comprehend this whole issue. The young and healthy spread to each other and to older patients who are more susceptible. To be clear I am not opposed to youth sports during this pandemic, but I am opposed to spectators in close proximity to each other without masks. I am not opposed to in person school, but I am opposed to it without requiring masks, sneeze guards, spreading out the desks and other hygiene matters, as well as offering the choice to do remote school to those that can do it and want it. There is a middle ground here, people. Just because I don't expand on boring details doesn't mean I don't understand it. Lets take your points one by one. 1) First of all I question the case count again due to manipulation of the data and information coming out about labs manipulating % positives. 2) I question the case count because people that test positive have to also test again and be negative before they can return to their activities. There is nothing in place that I see where a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc... test by the same person is not counted as a new case for every positive case. 3) Lets say you are right and up to 20% of asymptomatic people are running around here not getting tested. I think that level is more like 5-10% but lets play with your numbers here. a) It has been proven that asymptomatic people do not carry the viral load that symptomatic people and are far less likely to spread the virus compared to sick people.
b) The main transmission source of this virus is from water droplets in the air from sick individuals that cough and sneeze. c) asymptomatic people are not coughing and sneezing thus they aren't spreading the virus in any significant way. d) the people coughing and sneezing are by default symptomatic and should not be out in public to begin with e) there is pretty good evidence that asymptomatic because of the reasons above (low viral load, no sneezing and coughing) that the masks especially the cloth ones do very little to help asymptomatic people from spreading the virus as they are not spreading it very much to begin with. 4) I think this middle ground talk is nonsense given the statistics of recovery and who is getting very sick with this virus. If a child has pre-existing conditions even they are very unlikely to die from this virus. If adults and older folks have pre-existing conditions or not healthy then they should take whatever appropriate precautions they need to do, but there is no point in restrictions for the rest of America. Middle ground is just caving to fear mongering people when scientific statistical data just does not support what we are doing here. |
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Post by ultimatedad on Jul 15, 2020 21:08:56 GMT -5
@slickdaddy I really think you do not understand infectious diseases, epidemiology, public health, etc. 1% of the population has tested positive. Up to 20% of people may be running around asymptomatic based on antibody studies. It is irrelevant that those people are young and healthy if they then go to the store without a mask and breathe on a 45 year old guy is the store with diabetes and heart disease. All of your comments that you have made over the last 4 months just continue to show me that you do not comprehend this whole issue. The young and healthy spread to each other and to older patients who are more susceptible. To be clear I am not opposed to youth sports during this pandemic, but I am opposed to spectators in close proximity to each other without masks. I am not opposed to in person school, but I am opposed to it without requiring masks, sneeze guards, spreading out the desks and other hygiene matters, as well as offering the choice to do remote school to those that can do it and want it. There is a middle ground here, people. |
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Post by ultimatedad on Jul 15, 2020 21:11:30 GMT -5
OMG Oracle. I usually just sit back and enjoy the Jerry Springer. But you are over the top with your combination arrogance / ignorance that I just had to call you out. Stop getting your info from cable news.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 15, 2020 21:25:49 GMT -5
@slickdaddy I really think you do not understand infectious diseases, epidemiology, public health, etc. 1% of the population has tested positive. Up to 20% of people may be running around asymptomatic based on antibody studies. It is irrelevant that those people are young and healthy if they then go to the store without a mask and breathe on a 45 year old guy is the store with diabetes and heart disease. All of your comments that you have made over the last 4 months just continue to show me that you do not comprehend this whole issue. The young and healthy spread to each other and to older patients who are more susceptible. To be clear I am not opposed to youth sports during this pandemic, but I am opposed to spectators in close proximity to each other without masks. I am not opposed to in person school, but I am opposed to it without requiring masks, sneeze guards, spreading out the desks and other hygiene matters, as well as offering the choice to do remote school to those that can do it and want it. There is a middle ground here, people. Just because I don't expand on boring details doesn't mean I don't understand it. Lets take your points one by one. 1) First of all I question the case count again due to manipulation of the data and information coming out about labs manipulating % positives. 2) I question the case count because people that test positive have to also test again and be negative before they can return to their activities. There is nothing in place that I see where a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc... test by the same person is not counted as a new case for every positive case. 3) Lets say you are right and up to 20% of asymptomatic people are running around here not getting tested. I think that level is more like 5-10% but lets play with your numbers here. a) It has been proven that asymptomatic people do not carry the viral load that symptomatic people and are far less likely to spread the virus compared to sick people.
b) The main transmission source of this virus is from water droplets in the air from sick individuals that cough and sneeze. c) asymptomatic people are not coughing and sneezing thus they aren't spreading the virus in any significant way. d) the people coughing and sneezing are by default symptomatic and should not be out in public to begin with e) there is pretty good evidence that asymptomatic because of the reasons above (low viral load, no sneezing and coughing) that the masks especially the cloth ones do very little to help asymptomatic people from spreading the virus as they are not spreading it very much to begin with. 4) I think this middle ground talk is nonsense given the statistics of recovery and who is getting very sick with this virus. If a child has pre-existing conditions even they are very unlikely to die from this virus. If adults and older folks have pre-existing conditions or not healthy then they should take whatever appropriate precautions they need to do, but there is no point in restrictions for the rest of America. Middle ground is just caving to fear mongering people when scientific statistical data just does not support what we are doing here. I would like to see your sources for the "proof" that you have stated above. Some links to reputable medical journals would be nice. Preferably some high level evidence where viral loads of asymptomatic people were measured. Also I would like to see the measurements of the viral loads in the asymptomatic people's respiratory droplets that you refer to. Asymptomatic people never cough or sneeze either, huh? Hmm I guess I have been symptomatic my whole life then because I regularly sneeze at least a few times per day. Same goes for coughing. Oh wait, that is from allergies and we happen to live in one of the biggest allergy triggering cities in the country. The rest of your argument while eloquent at times is total conjecture. The scientific data is way too early to be reliable. Very little has been peer-reviewed. As a person who has been a reviewer for a very reputable medical journal I can tell you that many studies that people submit are garbage. Most of the issues are not the statistics they present, but the design of the study. I will wait until I actually see medical journal articles from reputable journals AND corroborating articles to back up the initial article. Your suspicion of the data, while warranted, is interesting. I have just as much suspicion that the data is being manipulated to look BETTER than it should be, particularly with regards to deaths. Thanks |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 15, 2020 21:27:21 GMT -5
OMG Oracle. I usually just sit back and enjoy the Jerry Springer. But you are over the top with your combination arrogance / ignorance that I just had to call you out. Stop getting your info from cable news. Hahaha! Hilarious. Since I get my info from medical publications and fellow doctors. There is no ignorance here. Arrogance, maybe. I am tired of listening to arm chair quarterbacks who are not doctors and spreading their misinformation. Thus far people like that are the reason we are in this mess. |
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Post by allthingsoccer on Jul 15, 2020 22:15:23 GMT -5
www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htmIf you look at the data. it says 121k covid deaths involving covid. (Deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, coded to ICD–10 code U07.1) But not directly the cause of. 121k deaths in 2020 and 55K with Influenza and pneumonia in 2017. Anyways look at the deaths reported. July 11 only 282 deaths. So how many cases? Huge drop. Dont listen to the news. data shows you that more cases (more testing) but death rate dropping. Ask yourself why? 2017 Numbers below- www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htmHeart disease: 647,457 Cancer: 599,108 Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936 Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201 Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383 Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404 Diabetes: 83,564 Influenza and pneumonia: 55,672 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,633 Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
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Post by BubbleDad on Jul 16, 2020 0:59:51 GMT -5
There has been one(1) COVID-19 death in Georgia under the age of 19. It was a 17yo male with an underlying health issue(comorbidity). SMH ... you and slickdaddy must be homies |
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Post by atlsoccer123 on Jul 16, 2020 2:11:54 GMT -5
@slickdaddy I really think you do not understand infectious diseases, epidemiology, public health, etc. 1% of the population has tested positive. Up to 20% of people may be running around asymptomatic based on antibody studies. It is irrelevant that those people are young and healthy if they then go to the store without a mask and breathe on a 45 year old guy is the store with diabetes and heart disease. All of your comments that you have made over the last 4 months just continue to show me that you do not comprehend this whole issue. The young and healthy spread to each other and to older patients who are more susceptible. To be clear I am not opposed to youth sports during this pandemic, but I am opposed to spectators in close proximity to each other without masks. I am not opposed to in person school, but I am opposed to it without requiring masks, sneeze guards, spreading out the desks and other hygiene matters, as well as offering the choice to do remote school to those that can do it and want it. There is a middle ground here, people. |
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Post by atlsoccer123 on Jul 16, 2020 2:12:36 GMT -5
@slickdaddy I really think you do not understand infectious diseases, epidemiology, public health, etc. 1% of the population has tested positive. Up to 20% of people may be running around asymptomatic based on antibody studies. It is irrelevant that those people are young and healthy if they then go to the store without a mask and breathe on a 45 year old guy is the store with diabetes and heart disease. All of your comments that you have made over the last 4 months just continue to show me that you do not comprehend this whole issue. The young and healthy spread to each other and to older patients who are more susceptible. To be clear I am not opposed to youth sports during this pandemic, but I am opposed to spectators in close proximity to each other without masks. I am not opposed to in person school, but I am opposed to it without requiring masks, sneeze guards, spreading out the desks and other hygiene matters, as well as offering the choice to do remote school to those that can do it and want it. There is a middle ground here, people. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 16, 2020 10:27:02 GMT -5
In person school should happen, youth sports should happen. There is no science or evidence behind the virtual schools decisions, only propaganda and fear.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jul 16, 2020 11:01:53 GMT -5
If all the Georgia public schools are closed does that force the travel soccer leagues to close?
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Post by USoCcer on Jul 16, 2020 11:14:54 GMT -5
Isn't US Club / USYS / GA Soccer etc. a private organization? Why would they care if the schools are closed?
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Post by Keeper on Jul 16, 2020 21:37:18 GMT -5
Isn't US Club / USYS / GA Soccer etc. a private organization? Why would they care if the schools are closed? They are but it would be hard for a private organization to go so far against the grain if the Govt closes schools and athletics. It’s like Snow Days, once 1-2 counties close the rest will follow suit to avoid lawsuits and bad PR. |
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Post by kidsocceruber on Jul 16, 2020 21:53:54 GMT -5
This won't be encouraging news, but I was told tonight that AFU went back to phase 1, don't have any other details. Certainly not good news with team camps and scrimmages scheduled to start in a week.
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Post by footballer on Jul 16, 2020 22:33:38 GMT -5
This won't be encouraging news, but I was told tonight that AFU went back to phase 1, don't have any other details. Certainly not good news with team camps and scrimmages scheduled to start in a week. I did hear the same, in fact the coach I spoke with is not optimistic about fall soccer. Though he is not one of the higher ups. Some parks in gwinnett are also going back to phase 1. We were at the park doing some private training and we along with other groups training were politely kicked out and warned not to come back as an organized group, individual stuff is ok. We assumed the person was the head person in charge of the facility and so we did not put up a fight about our rights, blah blah. We understood his position and left quietly. We did find another park that was open with no one monitoring. Not looking too good. Hopefully all this is over soon. The good news is that have been hearing in the media that a vaccine should be out soon, hopefully it is not fake news |
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Post by soccerspin on Jul 17, 2020 7:56:48 GMT -5
This won't be encouraging news, but I was told tonight that AFU went back to phase 1, don't have any other details. Certainly not good news with team camps and scrimmages scheduled to start in a week. I did hear the same, in fact the coach I spoke with is not optimistic about fall soccer. Though he is not one of the higher ups. Some parks in gwinnett are also going back to phase 1. We were at the park doing some private training and we along with other groups training were politely kicked out and warned not to come back as an organized group, individual stuff is ok. We assumed the person was the head person in charge of the facility and so we did not put up a fight about our rights, blah blah. We understood his position and left quietly. We did find another park that was open with no one monitoring. Not looking too good. Hopefully all this is over soon. The good news is that have been hearing in the media that a vaccine should be out soon, hopefully it is not fake news While I know “back to phase 1” isn’t good, can someone outline what that means? No scrimmages and back to practicing 6ft apart or are we talking no groups at all and back to Zoom? I honestly can’t keep track of all the phases... 😔 |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 17, 2020 8:11:35 GMT -5
This won't be encouraging news, but I was told tonight that AFU went back to phase 1, don't have any other details. Certainly not good news with team camps and scrimmages scheduled to start in a week. I did hear the same, in fact the coach I spoke with is not optimistic about fall soccer. Though he is not one of the higher ups. Some parks in gwinnett are also going back to phase 1. We were at the park doing some private training and we along with other groups training were politely kicked out and warned not to come back as an organized group, individual stuff is ok. We assumed the person was the head person in charge of the facility and so we did not put up a fight about our rights, blah blah. We understood his position and left quietly. We did find another park that was open with no one monitoring. Not looking too good. Hopefully all this is over soon. The good news is that have been hearing in the media that a vaccine should be out soon, hopefully it is not fake news Well technically no county or local authority can move back to Phase 1 and impose any more policies than the Governor has already put in place, so I would urge wherever this is at that you call the Governor's office and make them aware of it, so it can be nixed. Private organizations on the other end can do whatever they want. I just hope that US Club Soccer / SCCL / etc... make the brave and right decision to move forward with soccer even if schools are virtual only. The stats for kids just don't justify the stoppage of all this stuff. It is easy to come up with a covid waiver as most clubs and organizations already have that keep any lawsuit from really working. |
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Post by guest on Jul 17, 2020 9:44:34 GMT -5
If it was a Gwinnett Park, you have to have a permit to use it. And in order to have a permit you have to be insured and bonded.
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Post by kidsocceruber on Jul 17, 2020 12:52:45 GMT -5
While I know “back to phase 1” isn’t good, can someone outline what that means? No scrimmages and back to practicing 6ft apart or are we talking no groups at all and back to Zoom? I honestly can’t keep track of all the phases... 😔 Pretty sure phase 1 was supposed to be 1 child 1 ball no contact type of things, temperature checks at the field, etc where phase 2 involved small sided drills (up to 4v4) no temperature checks at the field(done at home). AFU was supposed to progress to shooting/keeper activities next week and scrimmages during team camp, we're waiting for further word on what will happen now. I'm wondering if the lack of 'our club too' responses that maybe this is only happening in Gwinnett. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 17, 2020 14:12:36 GMT -5
If it was a Gwinnett Park, you have to have a permit to use it. And in order to have a permit you have to be insured and bonded. Does this include walking trails and playgrounds? Or is it limited to activity that includes a ball? |
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Post by guest on Jul 17, 2020 14:27:07 GMT -5
No it’s just ball fields. As a member of a local Park and Rec athletic organization, we run off fence-jumpers all the time.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 17, 2020 15:01:56 GMT -5
So I guess we need to start the sports of playground soccer and walking trail soccer. Using obstacles and such.
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Post by guest on Jul 17, 2020 15:31:16 GMT -5
Not a bad idea! Or just shift sports to lacrosse, which is running wide open. We have our fourth tourney of the season this weekend. This one is at the MOBA facility. We’ve been playing at all the empty soccer parks. Only downside is ball fields are now transitioning to football. Lacrosse is the permit holder in the spring and football owns the permit in the fall. Youth football starts Monday.
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Post by ball2futbol on Jul 17, 2020 16:39:17 GMT -5
I’ve seen no shortage of youth football registration signs. A bit surprised initially but also encouraged.
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