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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 30, 2020 9:22:21 GMT -5
What are folks opinion on clubs and showing the books.
I know families where parents have been laid off, taking pay cuts etc, yet they are still willing to do anything for their children and have them play competitive sports.
Should clubs be transparent with how every dollar of our registration fees are allocated?
Where does tournament revenue go? It would great to see and show how much is given to pay refs, rent fields, insurance, trainers etc.
Money from additional camps -- does this go to the coaches, directors etc?
The public 990s do have a lot of information with regards to revenue and expenses, but it would be nice to see how a $2200 registration fee is brakes down?
Am I crazy or just plain stupid.
But If a club is non-profit and working with a county and is the only club with access to those fields seems this isn't a hard ask.....
(I'm not asking for specifics with coaches salaries etc - that is personal)
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Post by bogan on Jul 30, 2020 9:31:42 GMT -5
What are folks opinion on clubs and showing the books. I know families where parents have been laid off, taking pay cuts etc, yet they are still willing to do anything for their children and have them play competitive sports. Should clubs be transparent with how every dollar of our registration fees are allocated? Where does tournament revenue go? It would great to see and show how much is given to pay refs, rent fields, insurance, trainers etc. Money from additional camps -- does this go to the coaches, directors etc? The public 990s do have a lot of information with regards to revenue and expenses, but it would be nice to see how a $2200 registration fee is brakes down? Am I crazy or just plain stupid. But If a club is non-profit and working with a county and is the only club with access to those fields seems this isn't a hard ask..... (I'm not asking for specifics with coaches salaries etc - that is personal) My experience as a board member of a club is that by far the largest line item is of course salaries. IMHO if a club is a non profit the salaries of AT LEAST the club president/CEO and DOC should be made public. |
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Post by footyfan on Jul 30, 2020 11:49:07 GMT -5
I believe any "key employee" or employee making over $100,000 must have their pay documented in the 990.
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Post by bogan on Jul 30, 2020 12:30:49 GMT -5
I believe any "key employee" or employee making over $100,000 must have their pay documented in the 990. Correct-top 5 I am told (over $100k). However, I noticed that the filings listed the names of board members not DOC and all listed $0 as compensation. Later in the filing it listed aggregate salaries, etc. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 30, 2020 12:38:17 GMT -5
Even things like how much money apparel companies give them to outfit their coaches etc.
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Post by bogan on Jul 30, 2020 12:56:39 GMT -5
Even things like how much money apparel companies give them to outfit their coaches etc. Would be nice-I believe they are listed in aggregate under “donations” but I’m not a CPA so 🤷🏻♂️. |
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Post by Keeper on Jul 30, 2020 14:57:56 GMT -5
Even things like how much money apparel companies give them to outfit their coaches etc. Well that’s not to hard as most brands have their max allocation. Like Nike (SSA, Concorde, AFU) all get $120K each cycle while Adidas maxs out at $100K (UFA, NTH, Roswell). Puma, New Balance UnderArmour, & Calpelli all vary around that $100K range too depending on the club. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 30, 2020 16:05:53 GMT -5
Even things like how much money apparel companies give them to outfit their coaches etc. Well that’s not to hard as most brands have their max allocation. Like Nike (SSA, Concorde, AFU) all get $120K each cycle while Adidas maxs out at $100K (UFA, NTH, Roswell). Puma, New Balance UnderArmour, & Calpelli all vary around that $100K range too depending on the club. First time I've heard/seen the number! thanks!! and I endorse this practice: coaches should never have to buy gear and should be well outfitted! but the nikes/adidas/UA etc could throw some discounts at these mega clubs on apparel and uniforms. Do clubs also get any % of uniform sales or does it go straight to the soccer.coms/best buys/lloyds etc I won't disclose the club, but I know of an non-mls club that is aligned with Adidas --- not sure how, but they mandated that all players where Adidas cleats this season. Not sure what the punishment is or if they will enforce the rule ----- best part - they offered their customers/players no discounts on Adidas cleats |
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Post by collegesoccer on Jul 30, 2020 16:17:05 GMT -5
Well that’s not to hard as most brands have their max allocation. Like Nike (SSA, Concorde, AFU) all get $120K each cycle while Adidas maxs out at $100K (UFA, NTH, Roswell). Puma, New Balance UnderArmour, & Calpelli all vary around that $100K range too depending on the club. First time I've heard/seen the number! thanks!! and I endorse this practice: coaches should never have to buy gear and should be well outfitted! but the nikes/adidas/UA etc could throw some discounts at these mega clubs on apparel and uniforms. Do clubs also get any % of uniform sales or does it go straight to the soccer.coms/best buys/lloyds etc I won't disclose the club, but I know of an non-mls club that is aligned with Adidas --- not sure how, but they mandated that all players where Adidas cleats this season. Not sure what the punishment is or if they will enforce the rule ----- best part - they offered their customers/players no discounts on Adidas cleats UFA has been moving this direction for several years. |
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 30, 2020 16:25:51 GMT -5
Well that’s not to hard as most brands have their max allocation. Like Nike (SSA, Concorde, AFU) all get $120K each cycle while Adidas maxs out at $100K (UFA, NTH, Roswell). Puma, New Balance UnderArmour, & Calpelli all vary around that $100K range too depending on the club. First time I've heard/seen the number! thanks!! and I endorse this practice: coaches should never have to buy gear and should be well outfitted! but the nikes/adidas/UA etc could throw some discounts at these mega clubs on apparel and uniforms. Do clubs also get any % of uniform sales or does it go straight to the soccer.coms/best buys/lloyds etc I won't disclose the club, but I know of an non-mls club that is aligned with Adidas --- not sure how, but they mandated that all players where Adidas cleats this season. Not sure what the punishment is or if they will enforce the rule ----- best part - they offered their customers/players no discounts on Adidas cleats The higher ups of Concorde have said that all players are required to wear Nike gear but have never enforced it. I have told them that if the gear is free that they can control what we wear. As long as we are paying for it, we will wear what is best for our family price and comfort wise. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Jul 30, 2020 17:01:13 GMT -5
Cleats are much more important to fit properly than shorts or jerseys.. anyone with wide feet is SOL with Mike.
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Post by Keeper on Jul 30, 2020 17:29:20 GMT -5
I get mandating players/coaches/staff all wear a certain brand as that’s just part of the gig. Look at the MLS, they’re all required to wear Adidas gear when representing the league except for cleats and GK gloves. Same goes for nfl and Nike gear, minus their cleats too. I know for college we all had the same adidas gear and they even bought us all Copas to wear which were allowed to be one time exchanged or upgraded if we wanted to pay the extra. (Mind you this was back with the White Beckham Preds so of course a few had to show off.)
I would totally enforce my players and club to wear whatever brand we signed with. That would go for cleats to practice gear to whatever they wear when on the road for tournaments too. The argument of well we are paying for it doenst work because you’re also paying for the uniform but have no say in that either.
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Post by Keeper on Jul 30, 2020 17:32:51 GMT -5
Well that’s not to hard as most brands have their max allocation. Like Nike (SSA, Concorde, AFU) all get $120K each cycle while Adidas maxs out at $100K (UFA, NTH, Roswell). Puma, New Balance UnderArmour, & Calpelli all vary around that $100K range too depending on the club. First time I've heard/seen the number! thanks!! and I endorse this practice: coaches should never have to buy gear and should be well outfitted! but the nikes/adidas/UA etc could throw some discounts at these mega clubs on apparel and uniforms. Do clubs also get any % of uniform sales or does it go straight to the soccer.coms/best buys/lloyds etc I won't disclose the club, but I know of an non-mls club that is aligned with Adidas --- not sure how, but they mandated that all players where Adidas cleats this season. Not sure what the punishment is or if they will enforce the rule ----- best part - they offered their customers/players no discounts on Adidas cleats No problem. I use to work in soccer retail a life time ago and have been lucky enough to get wined and dined by the brands so I’ve got a lil details. With the mark up so little on uniforms and gear I doubt any retailers (Lloyd’s, Bestbuy, SoccerUSA, SoccerLoco) giving a % back. They typically don’t make that much from a club unless the parents buy direct. Kinda like they sell to clubs as advertising so some almost break even or loss money. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 30, 2020 17:34:35 GMT -5
I get mandating players/coaches/staff all wear a certain brand as that’s just part of the gig. Look at the MLS, they’re all required to wear Adidas gear when representing the league except for cleats and GK gloves. Same goes for nfl and Nike gear, minus their cleats too. I know for college we all had the same adidas gear and they even bought us all Copas to wear which were allowed to be one time exchanged or upgraded if we wanted to pay the extra. (Mind you this was back with the White Beckham Preds so of course a few had to show off.) I would totally enforce my players and club to wear whatever brand we signed with. That would go for cleats to practice gear to whatever they wear when on the road for tournaments too. The argument of well we are paying for it doenst work because you’re also paying for the uniform but have no say in that either. I just don't think cleats should be mandated. One of my kids has the hardest time finding ones that fit. When we find one we buy 3 because if next season they change them too much then we are stuck. Literally one style of one brand is the only thing that fits and last year's version did not fit. Totally sucked. We have had times where the tongue won't even close over the foot because they are too narrow. If you have a narrow foot you have the same issue. Not everyone has "average" feet and they don't come in widths. |
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Post by Keeper on Jul 30, 2020 17:42:50 GMT -5
I get mandating players/coaches/staff all wear a certain brand as that’s just part of the gig. Look at the MLS, they’re all required to wear Adidas gear when representing the league except for cleats and GK gloves. Same goes for nfl and Nike gear, minus their cleats too. I know for college we all had the same adidas gear and they even bought us all Copas to wear which were allowed to be one time exchanged or upgraded if we wanted to pay the extra. (Mind you this was back with the White Beckham Preds so of course a few had to show off.) I would totally enforce my players and club to wear whatever brand we signed with. That would go for cleats to practice gear to whatever they wear when on the road for tournaments too. The argument of well we are paying for it doenst work because you’re also paying for the uniform but have no say in that either. I just don't think cleats should be mandated. One of my kids has the hardest time finding ones that fit. When we find one we buy 3 because if next season they change them too much then we are stuck. Literally one style of one brand is the only thing that fits and last year's version did not fit. Totally sucked. We have had times where the tongue won't even close over the foot because they are too narrow. If you have a narrow foot you have the same issue. Not everyone has "average" feet and they don't come in widths. I get it, but also sounds to be either a limited budget or a picky player. Most brands make dozens of options that vary in cut and width and weight. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 30, 2020 18:13:39 GMT -5
I think GSA gets discounts on PUMA cleats.
I personally favor Adidas. X's for narrow feet, Nemeziz for medium and Ace/Predators for wide feet.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 30, 2020 18:19:12 GMT -5
That highlights another issue though - what cleats can you even find. we went to one of the soccer shops a few weeks ago and there were limited options in adidas for my kids size. Soccer.com was actually even worse.
My kids have had issues - one year the clear style fits them like a glove, new model comes out and with constantly growing feet, new model just doesn’t fit as nicely. It’s not like the old days - copas or copas, maybe some puma King’s or even more old school - Patrick pros!
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Post by bogan on Jul 30, 2020 18:26:34 GMT -5
“It’s not like the old days - copas or copas, maybe some puma King’s or even more old school - Patrick pros!”
Ah, old school Copas with metal studs-weighed 5 lbs. each when wet...😄🤦🏻♂️
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 30, 2020 18:30:34 GMT -5
Copas are still out there. Old and new style I believe. Adidas X and Messi/Nemeziz went through a size current after 2017, more true to size now.
I buy a lot on sales though, gotten many professional $270-300 pairs of X's and Messi's off ebay for under $100. I think Nike are a LOT more popular here in the US. You have to know how they will fit ahead of time though.
Mandating cleats is dumb though. Even colleges and pros don't do that.
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Post by mistergrinch on Jul 30, 2020 18:54:09 GMT -5
I think GSA gets discounts on PUMA cleats. I personally favor Adidas. X's for narrow feet, Nemeziz for medium and Ace/Predators for wide feet. Nemeziz are the widest ones that I've found.. they have the stretchy stuff on top. The ace used to be wider.. the new ones not as much |
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Post by soccerloafer on Jul 30, 2020 19:06:14 GMT -5
That highlights another issue though - what cleats can you even find. we went to one of the soccer shops a few weeks ago and there were limited options in adidas for my kids size. Soccer.com was actually even worse. My kids have had issues - one year the clear style fits them like a glove, new model comes out and with constantly growing feet, new model just doesn’t fit as nicely. It’s not like the old days - copas or copas, maybe some puma King’s or even more old school - Patrick pros! Copas and Sambas! |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 30, 2020 21:53:44 GMT -5
I just don't think cleats should be mandated. One of my kids has the hardest time finding ones that fit. When we find one we buy 3 because if next season they change them too much then we are stuck. Literally one style of one brand is the only thing that fits and last year's version did not fit. Totally sucked. We have had times where the tongue won't even close over the foot because they are too narrow. If you have a narrow foot you have the same issue. Not everyone has "average" feet and they don't come in widths. I get it, but also sounds to be either a limited budget or a picky player. Most brands make dozens of options that vary in cut and width and weight. Father has small feet that are 4 to 6 E width as in EEEE or EEEEEE. Child inherited these feet. It is not picky. Cleats have split along the seams in past seasons early. Running shoes do the same thing for both father and child. Budget is not an issue. Mandating shoes is stupid whether in soccer, basketball, running or any other sport. Your feet take a beating in most sports. Your shoes need to be the best fit or else you get all sorts of other problems in your joints. |
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Post by guest on Jul 31, 2020 6:56:57 GMT -5
Did somebody say Copas?!
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Post by wolves97 on Jul 31, 2020 8:18:05 GMT -5
I get it, but also sounds to be either a limited budget or a picky player. Most brands make dozens of options that vary in cut and width and weight. Father has small feet that are 4 to 6 E width as in EEEE or EEEEEE. Child inherited these feet. It is not picky. Cleats have split along the seams in past seasons early. Running shoes do the same thing for both father and child. Budget is not an issue. Mandating shoes is stupid whether in soccer, basketball, running or any other sport. Your feet take a beating in most sports. Your shoes need to be the best fit or else you get all sorts of other problems in your joints. Agree. Turf toe is no fun...no fun at all |
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 31, 2020 8:46:58 GMT -5
I get mandating players/coaches/staff all wear a certain brand as that’s just part of the gig. Look at the MLS, they’re all required to wear Adidas gear when representing the league except for cleats and GK gloves. Same goes for nfl and Nike gear, minus their cleats too. I know for college we all had the same adidas gear and they even bought us all Copas to wear which were allowed to be one time exchanged or upgraded if we wanted to pay the extra. (Mind you this was back with the White Beckham Preds so of course a few had to show off.) I would totally enforce my players and club to wear whatever brand we signed with. That would go for cleats to practice gear to whatever they wear when on the road for tournaments too. The argument of well we are paying for it doenst work because you’re also paying for the uniform but have no say in that either. Comparing cleats to uniforms is a false comparison. Everyone on a team needs to have the same uniform but that does not apply to cleats, shin guards, undershirts, headbands, hats, and the like. If it is required, include it as part of the uniform package with every kid wearing the same shoe. If not, kids and families are free to get what suits them best. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jul 31, 2020 8:50:29 GMT -5
First time I've heard/seen the number! thanks!! and I endorse this practice: coaches should never have to buy gear and should be well outfitted! but the nikes/adidas/UA etc could throw some discounts at these mega clubs on apparel and uniforms. Do clubs also get any % of uniform sales or does it go straight to the soccer.coms/best buys/lloyds etc I won't disclose the club, but I know of an non-mls club that is aligned with Adidas --- not sure how, but they mandated that all players where Adidas cleats this season. Not sure what the punishment is or if they will enforce the rule ----- best part - they offered their customers/players no discounts on Adidas cleats UFA has been moving this direction for several years. They've never said a word to us about what cleats should be worn so don't know if I agree with your UFA statement. Maybe older age groups? Mine is U14. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 31, 2020 9:04:57 GMT -5
UFA has been moving this direction for several years. They've never said a word to us about what cleats should be worn so don't know if I agree with your UFA statement. Maybe older age groups? Mine is U14. Nothing about cleats at Ufa but last year a coach gave my kid a hard time about a head band she was wearing in a scrimmage between two teams at different age groups. She had a red Nike head band on and he told her to turn it around because we are an Adidas club. Honestly I had never considered it before that moment. I just looked for head bands that were a style that she liked. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jul 31, 2020 9:24:22 GMT -5
They've never said a word to us about what cleats should be worn so don't know if I agree with your UFA statement. Maybe older age groups? Mine is U14. Nothing about cleats at Ufa but last year a coach gave my kid a hard time about a head band she was wearing in a scrimmage between two teams at different age groups. She had a red Nike head band on and he told her to turn it around because we are an Adidas club. Honestly I had never considered it before that moment. I just looked for head bands that were a style that she liked. Got it. A scrimmage seems a little odd but I could see them saying not to wear Nike gear in a game (other than cleats). |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 31, 2020 9:47:24 GMT -5
Unless its provided equipment or an official piece of the uniform, I don't think the branding applies. For instance, what if its a concussion headband, knee brace, ankle brace? Or do they sanction a brand of hair band, pre-wrap, glasses, type of braid, style of bun, hair color, etc?
My response would be to double down and get the most NIKE style cleats with NIKE written as big as possible. Its different at for instance a college, where they will provide branded cleats if you don't want to buy your own (but they still allow you to wear your own). You want me to wear your brand, pay for it.
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Post by guest on Jul 31, 2020 10:42:18 GMT -5
Football (gridiron) handles It this way. You get three options, low, mid and hi-top UA cleats to buy for really cheap (like $30-60). Or you can buy your own as long as they are school colors. We found us a pair of three stripe life’s at Play it again sports. Love that place.
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