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Post by bogan on Aug 11, 2020 11:07:54 GMT -5
“It would be nice if the clubs had some relationship with a strength and conditioning training place where maybe there was a deal like some have with Toca now.” A word of caution though-my sons former club used to do this but stopped when the saw injuries increase. Not an expert by any means, but I think it needs to be soccer specific conditioning. No question that there is a need for the trainers to pay attention to sport. That is part of why I said our experience was hit and miss. We went to a guy who had my at the time 13 year old daughter lifting things that were too heavy and she strained her back. They need to be aware and assess the athletes appropriately but one would hope that if a soccer club actually linked with a place they would work together to do soccer specific strength training. I think this was a sponsorship deal-but nonetheless, I think lesson learned. |
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Post by ball2futbol on Aug 11, 2020 12:08:18 GMT -5
One of the things that attracted our family to a particular club was there style of practice which incorporates relevant strength & conditioning warmups for most practices, before putting a foot on the ball. And I don’t mean starting practice with a jog around the field. Someone mentioned their ECNL practices x4 a week, I concur as an 1.5hr is spent on lower extremity as well as core development. It shows not just tactically but physically on the field.
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Post by ga3v3 on Aug 11, 2020 17:23:55 GMT -5
It’s always a combination of coaches, clubs and various other training activities. Simple as that
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Post by liverpoolfc on Aug 11, 2020 23:05:49 GMT -5
The top 2-3 teams at most clubs train 3x.. a lot of the top teams now train 4x. At a high level I agree that as parents we have to rethink practice. IMO we should supplement what the club does. An ECNL or GA player probably has club practice for 4.5 hours a week. Please compare that with elite athletes in other sports: Gymnastics: 12 Competitive Cheer: 10 per week on average Football (in season): 15 per week on field (10 on field plus 5 hours of weight room) Baseball: 6 Competitive Lacrosse: 5 I have heard at TH the GA teams both Gold and Navy will practice 4 times a week are ECNL teams practicing that often? We are talking about football not comparing with other sports. show me a club in america that practice 4X/week, plus a day for film session, and a game/wk. Think abt this for a second and look beyond the lack of practice days in american youth football clubs. This is why America will never produce a solid teams capable of winning consistently at the world stage. |
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Post by liverpoolfc on Aug 11, 2020 23:15:04 GMT -5
Sometimes i found it funny how some parents think that a coach can drastically improve your athletes with two training sessions a week. Let break this down quickly.Talking from experience, I grew up in a country where my youth team practice 4 days a wk, one day film session and one day rest and game day. What youth club in the USA offer such program? And y'all think a coach can just magically make your daughter better with two practices a wk.. You better pay for private sessions and encourage your son and daughter to get out and work on his/her craft. I don't think it's that simple. As others have already pointed out, most top teams are practicing 3 times/week. And for the ones who are only practicing 2 times/week, what are the goals of the team? How old are they? Most that are only 2 per week are either younger age groups OR it's a group of kids who were looking for a step-up from rec soccer (whether they wanted a step-up in competition or coaching, whatever). okay let's talk abt those players particularly. I bet most of these parents on here that complains about a particular club or coaches are the ones who have 1 or 2 kids that practice twice a week in a "step-up from rec soccer" And at the same time think a coach is not a good fit for a team because their player isn't improving or regress. I'm just saying that two practices/wk isn't enough to develop a player regardless of what level or skills that player possess. Football is about repetition and muscle memories... |
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Post by Ponkamb on Aug 26, 2020 11:14:40 GMT -5
Sometimes i found it funny how some parents think that a coach can drastically improve your athletes with two training sessions a week. Let break this down quickly.Talking from experience, I grew up in a country where my youth team practice 4 days a wk, one day film session and one day rest and game day. What youth club in the USA offer such program? And y'all think a coach can just magically make your daughter better with two practices a wk.. You better pay for private sessions and encourage your son and daughter to get out and work on his/her craft. Amen to that. Viewing film is a lost art it seems. We have plenty of technology to do this from the comfort of everyone's home. Pedro Edvaldo and Alfred Shams at AllegianceFC in Dallas does exactly that. Four days of practice with a film session. They have invested in VEO for each of their teams and they use that for film sessions. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 26, 2020 11:38:20 GMT -5
The important piece to me is this --- keep it fun. kids even, 18 year olds want to have fun playing the game.
hence why I saw a video of an ex Barca guy slamming youth coaches for working on set pieces etc at the youth level. We probably discussed it on this forum, too lazy to search -
but nothing wrong with giving kids a day once or twice a month to work on set pieces and have fun creating and being creative etc. Also -- the other major benefit, is this -- you also can teach your kids how to defend set pieces - well novel concept right? So coaches work on it, ignore the barca guy that knows more than me and does this for a living.....
no wonder clubs and coaches hate parents, we think we know way to much......
I think it was Atlanta united 17s in the playoff that scored on a ridiculous set designed corner kick on their championship run, might be mistaken - just remember Carleton being a part of it, an it was brilliantly designed.
I would like to see this, the team taking the corner, have 4 players run from the 18 to the player taking the corner, and see how it opens up so much space and lanes, either go short and take advantage of the numbers or find your target who has space in the box -- 1 nil, just like that.
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Post by bogan on Aug 26, 2020 13:10:17 GMT -5
“I would like to see this, the team taking the corner, have 4 players run from the 18 to the player taking the corner, and see how it opens up so much space and lanes, either go short and take advantage of the numbers or find your target who has space in the box -- 1 nil, just like that.”
...unless they are zonal marking.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 26, 2020 13:37:40 GMT -5
I realize it was an example, but for instance the problem with not teaching set pieces (a crucial part of the game even at U10) is your team getting blown out on free-kicks and corners by a team that has practiced it (and having grumbling parents, unhappy players, etc). You can dominate 95% possession and lose on a free kick because the kids don't know how to defend it. I remember a game my kid played in where the other team scored on 3 consecutive corner kicks in one half, direct curling goals each time; our keeper and defenders had no idea how to defend it. Then the coach had to spend a practice on defending corners the following week (too little, too late of course). It's always better to be proactive on this stuff and teach the entire game every year at the academy ages.
Would a better answer be to NOT HAVE set pieces in the youth game? At what age should they start? Should other parts be stripped out? Throw-ins? Kickoff rule? They created the build-out line to give U10 goal kicks a better chance to build out of the back. Thankfully FIFA finally got goal kicks right in the real game. Anytime you give up a goal off a goal kick its a bit of a travesty. The problem with not teaching the whole game is that your team will eventually get exploited and humiliated by the part of the game they don't know.
Personal gripes:
This also applies to shooting and technique striking the ball. I've seen youth teams that could control the ball for a much of the game but not finish, then lose on a lucky late 50' floater.
Additionally, every player should be taught to play keeper at U9/U10. Especially if there isn't a permanent keeper and you're just rotating them from game to game, half to half...for goodness sake, teach them what to do. Don't throw them on an island to fail.
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 26, 2020 14:43:41 GMT -5
Have also never seen a coach work on throw-ins. Something that happens dozens of times per game and can make a HUGE difference (see: Liverpool).
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Post by therussian on Sept 2, 2020 10:13:29 GMT -5
I realize it was an example, but for instance the problem with not teaching set pieces (a crucial part of the game even at U10) is your team getting blown out on free-kicks and corners by a team that has practiced it (and having grumbling parents, unhappy players, etc). You can dominate 95% possession and lose on a free kick because the kids don't know how to defend it. I remember a game my kid played in where the other team scored on 3 consecutive corner kicks in one half, direct curling goals each time; our keeper and defenders had no idea how to defend it. Then the coach had to spend a practice on defending corners the following week (too little, too late of course). It's always better to be proactive on this stuff and teach the entire game every year at the academy ages. Would a better answer be to NOT HAVE set pieces in the youth game? At what age should they start? Should other parts be stripped out? Throw-ins? Kickoff rule? They created the build-out line to give U10 goal kicks a better chance to build out of the back. Thankfully FIFA finally got goal kicks right in the real game. Anytime you give up a goal off a goal kick its a bit of a travesty. The problem with not teaching the whole game is that your team will eventually get exploited and humiliated by the part of the game they don't know. Personal gripes: This also applies to shooting and technique striking the ball. I've seen youth teams that could control the ball for a much of the game but not finish, then lose on a lucky late 50' floater. Additionally, every player should be taught to play keeper at U9/U10. Especially if there isn't a permanent keeper and you're just rotating them from game to game, half to half...for goodness sake, teach them what to do. Don't throw them on an island to fail. |
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Post by therussian on Sept 2, 2020 10:19:04 GMT -5
Adding to the “personal gripe,” it goes both ways. If a kid wants to be “just a keeper,” he/she should also be made to play in the field to develop touch and passing skills. Also, we need qualified coaches at the younger ages that understand keepers need to be trained in distribution with both hands and feet. A lot of young (U10 and below at rec level) are missing quality instruction and starting behind the 8 ball once they decide to go to the academy level. Yes I know....hire a personal trainer.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 2, 2020 10:40:55 GMT -5
Adding to the “personal gripe,” it goes both ways. If a kid wants to be “just a keeper,” he/she should also be made to play in the field to develop touch and passing skills. Also, we need qualified coaches at the younger ages that understand keepers need to be trained in distribution with both hands and feet. A lot of young (U10 and below at rec level) are missing quality instruction and starting behind the 8 ball once they decide to go to the academy level. Yes I know....hire a personal trainer. Agreed that keepers at the young ages should play on the field. My younger one's age group has several keepers and all of them (older than U10 now) are still put on the field for every game (even if they don't want to). At U10 they can't punt but at older ages they need to be taught that as well. As for personal trainer statement I don't know that you have to do that but many clubs have goal keeper training. Most coaches that are not keepers are not great about teaching keepers. Frankly little kids forget some of the specifics about goal kicks versus picking up the ball and then playing it out with their feet. They can't seem to understand that very well so I don't know how likely they are to remember any other keeper specific instructions. |
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Post by Shesakeeper on Sept 2, 2020 12:32:02 GMT -5
Our U16 keeper has had a mix of experiences with coaching. Early on, she was a forward but once she decided 100% on keeper, she wasn't included as much in the field drills. One coach actually had her working on random keeper stuff alone during practice instead of working with the team. As a result the past few years have been spent playing catch-up to get her footwork, passing, etc up to where it needs to be for her level. She's been doing Toca routinely for the past year, and private keeper training with southern crescent for several years. All 3 clubs she's been at offer keeper training at no additional cost, however the group you end up with may not always be the best for your kid. Southern crescent has been great about putting her in the most challenging group. Anyway, getting back to the original point, I do agree that many coaches don't seem to know what is best for a keeper. Adding to the “personal gripe,” it goes both ways. If a kid wants to be “just a keeper,” he/she should also be made to play in the field to develop touch and passing skills. Also, we need qualified coaches at the younger ages that understand keepers need to be trained in distribution with both hands and feet. A lot of young (U10 and below at rec level) are missing quality instruction and starting behind the 8 ball once they decide to go to the academy level. Yes I know....hire a personal trainer. Agreed that keepers at the young ages should play on the field. My younger one's age group has several keepers and all of them (older than U10 now) are still put on the field for every game (even if they don't want to). At U10 they can't punt but at older ages they need to be taught that as well. As for personal trainer statement I don't know that you have to do that but many clubs have goal keeper training. Most coaches that are not keepers are not great about teaching keepers. Frankly little kids forget some of the specifics about goal kicks versus picking up the ball and then playing it out with their feet. They can't seem to understand that very well so I don't know how likely they are to remember any other keeper specific instructions. |
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