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Post by 04gparent on Aug 10, 2020 13:21:40 GMT -5
Its fun to talk about soccer. Nothing sets the forum on fire like who should get credit for developing a player... None of us view development the same. No one can agree on what age the most critical amount of development happens. It is an endless debate... So its funny to see on another post the question coming back...
The reality is there will NEVER be a group of 20 players that start playing soccer at age 8 or 9 and live in the same neighborhood or town that will win a National Championship in youth soccer.
It just doesn't happen. The club based model all over the world and here in America is based on large numbers in the pyramid building to create 1 great team of 14 to 16 players...
So who developed the player? Really who cares... But we debate it because as Americans we want to be associated with a winner. If I say another club does better development I then somehow cheapen the experience at my current club... So the debate rages...
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 10, 2020 13:29:47 GMT -5
It will be hard that is for sure -- this next crop of u8s might find a way to stick together though - assuming MLS sides don't pick off the perceived top talent.
A lot of of teams were triple impacted -- addition of Atlanta United, u13 DA and then also the age group mandates happening at the same times.
This city had dominant u13 sides that completely pulled apart and never existed again. Hell concord had 2 teams north and central that were both pretty nasty.
Hopefully teams start to stick together and there are no drastic changes over the next 5-7 years.........we all know that ain't going to happen.....
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Post by 04gparent on Aug 10, 2020 13:33:55 GMT -5
It will be hard that is for sure -- this next crop of u8s might find a way to stick together though - assuming MLS sides don't pick off the perceived top talent. A lot of of teams were triple impacted -- addition of Atlanta United, u13 DA and then also the age group changes happening the same times. This city has dominant u13 sides that completely pulled apart and never exhisted again. Hell concord had 2 teams north and central that were both pretty nasty. Hopefully teams start to stick together and there are no drastic changes over the next 5-7 years.........we all know that ain't going to happen..... When my oldest daughter was in the Academy, I asked our coach, who grew up in England, what is the percentage of players who make the top team at an English Premier League team at U13 or U14 and one day make the professional team? He said less than 5%. That stat blew me away. Bringing that back to America. It would be interesting to study how many kids who made the top team at a club at u9 or u10 and are still on the top team at that same club at u15 or u16.... |
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Post by baller84 on Aug 10, 2020 13:46:39 GMT -5
Its fun to talk about soccer. Nothing sets the forum on fire like who should get credit for developing a player... None of us view development the same. No one can agree on what age the most critical amount of development happens. It is an endless debate... So its funny to see on another post the question coming back... The reality is there will NEVER be a group of 20 players that start playing soccer at age 8 or 9 and live in the same neighborhood or town that will win a National Championship in youth soccer. It just doesn't happen. The club based model all over the world and here in America is based on large numbers in the pyramid building to create 1 great team of 14 to 16 players... So who developed the player? Really who cares... But we debate it because as Americans we want to be associated with a winner. If I say another club does better development I then somehow cheapen the experience at my current club... So the debate rages... You are spot on. That's the unfortunate part with youth sports and pay to play in America. We even see it in the MLS with the loose desire to invest in young talented American players (few exceptions). Atlanta United 2 has been working on the development of players but they have not been a winning team or a top USL team, despite the ringers of the top team from time to time. And as an AU fan I'm Ok with less winning and more players develop. But at some point they need to be effective enough in AU2 making a difference, before we through them in deep waters in MLS AU. Other MLS clubs have chosen to cut back or drop their academies. DI soccer programs are getting cut. HS coaches put winning above all. Your club? What do you think? There is a huge difference in approach between two priorities. The business of developing players FIRST is not as profitable or viable as the business of winning FIRST. It's actually NOT profitable without winning or be in a shiny league. I've been Ok with that at the college and pro level, have not been OK in club or HS. However, clubs have built their reputations and the exclusivity to top leagues (DA/ECNL) through winning. The notion that winning and developing are directly related is false. Every reputable ED or DOC should be honest enough to at least tell you what the priority is. The variables and the moving pieces between winning and developing are too many. Sometimes they align, other times they clash. And soccer folks know it too well, no matter what the players parents hear or understand. Consider the thoughts you (and child) make when deciding on a team. Let's be honest. |
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 10, 2020 14:28:19 GMT -5
As has been discussed many times on the forum, players (and parents) develop players more so than any club in the pay to play format. We see coaches move from one club to another each season. The coach didn't suddenly get better because he/she went to another club. Same thing with players. The clubs that recruit the best and are able to pool the talent the best are the most successful clubs. In most situations, the credit should go to the player and not the club.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Aug 10, 2020 15:10:05 GMT -5
As has been discussed many times on the forum, players (and parents) develop players more so than any club in the pay to play format. We see coaches move from one club to another each season. The coach didn't suddenly get better because he/she went to another club. Same thing with players. The clubs that recruit the best and are able to pool the talent the best are the most successful clubs. In most situations, the credit should go to the player and not the club. Exactly - as I told a friend today, whose kid is new to club soccer this year, it's really up to your child to get individual training to improve their skills. The focus at club practices is more about how multiple players, whether in a 3v3, 7v7, etc. format, work together to become successful. It's why Toca has really taken off and why getting private lessons is so important. And why your kid has to get out in the front yard and do the boring stuff (to them) for hours on end if they really want to become a good soccer player. I tell my oldest that I liken it to academics - you can't just go to class (ie: practice) and take notes and expect to learn the material and ace the test. You have to put in the work outside of the classroom with homework/studying (ie: training on your own in your front yard, at Toca, private lessons, etc.). |
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Post by USoCcer on Aug 10, 2020 15:36:41 GMT -5
Its fun to talk about soccer. Nothing sets the forum on fire like who should get credit for developing a player... None of us view development the same. No one can agree on what age the most critical amount of development happens. It is an endless debate... So its funny to see on another post the question coming back... The reality is there will NEVER be a group of 20 players that start playing soccer at age 8 or 9 and live in the same neighborhood or town that will win a National Championship in youth soccer. It just doesn't happen. The club based model all over the world and here in America is based on large numbers in the pyramid building to create 1 great team of 14 to 16 players... So who developed the player? Really who cares... But we debate it because as Americans we want to be associated with a winner. If I say another club does better development I then somehow cheapen the experience at my current club... So the debate rages... Very true. Could you imagine the discussions if training and solidarity payments were in play between all of the metro clubs. Those would be some intense conversations  |
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 10, 2020 16:02:02 GMT -5
Its fun to talk about soccer. Nothing sets the forum on fire like who should get credit for developing a player... None of us view development the same. No one can agree on what age the most critical amount of development happens. It is an endless debate... So its funny to see on another post the question coming back... The reality is there will NEVER be a group of 20 players that start playing soccer at age 8 or 9 and live in the same neighborhood or town that will win a National Championship in youth soccer. It just doesn't happen. The club based model all over the world and here in America is based on large numbers in the pyramid building to create 1 great team of 14 to 16 players... So who developed the player? Really who cares... But we debate it because as Americans we want to be associated with a winner. If I say another club does better development I then somehow cheapen the experience at my current club... So the debate rages... Very true. Could you imagine the discussions if training and solidarity payments were in play between all of the metro clubs. Those would be some intense conversations If training and solidarity payments ever happen in the U.S., the money should go back to the player unless he/she was on scholarship. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 10, 2020 16:09:15 GMT -5
It will be hard that is for sure -- this next crop of u8s might find a way to stick together though - assuming MLS sides don't pick off the perceived top talent. A lot of of teams were triple impacted -- addition of Atlanta United, u13 DA and then also the age group changes happening the same times. This city has dominant u13 sides that completely pulled apart and never exhisted again. Hell concord had 2 teams north and central that were both pretty nasty. Hopefully teams start to stick together and there are no drastic changes over the next 5-7 years.........we all know that ain't going to happen..... When my oldest daughter was in the Academy, I asked our coach, who grew up in England, what is the percentage of players who make the top team at an English Premier League team at U13 or U14 and one day make the professional team? He said less than 5%. That stat blew me away. Bringing that back to America. It would be interesting to study how many kids who made the top team at a club at u9 or u10 and are still on the top team at that same club at u15 or u16.... An example of this is a guy that I know who played on the England youth national team U19 and was on a premier league team academy team.. He told me they (England U19) came to the US to play some friendlies against some colleges. He was offered a scholarship to one of them and went back to the bus laughing about it to his teammates. He thought he was too good and was going to get offered a contract. He did not get a contract offer for either a Premier League team or Championship division team when he hit 18. He decided to come to the US and play for the college that offered him a scholarship. This guy was good enough for the youth national team and couldn't get a contract. Crazy! |
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Post by BubbleDad on Aug 10, 2020 18:06:41 GMT -5
As has been discussed many times on the forum, players (and parents) develop players more so than any club in the pay to play format. We see coaches move from one club to another each season. The coach didn't suddenly get better because he/she went to another club. Same thing with players. The clubs that recruit the best and are able to pool the talent the best are the most successful clubs. In most situations, the credit should go to the player and not the club. Exactly - as I told a friend today, whose kid is new to club soccer this year, it's really up to your child to get individual training to improve their skills. The focus at club practices is more about how multiple players, whether in a 3v3, 7v7, etc. format, work together to become successful. It's why Toca has really taken off and why getting private lessons is so important. And why your kid has to get out in the front yard and do the boring stuff (to them) for hours on end if they really want to become a good soccer player. I tell my oldest that I liken it to academics - you can't just go to class (ie: practice) and take notes and expect to learn the material and ace the test. You have to put in the work outside of the classroom with homework/studying (ie: training on your own in your front yard, at Toca, private lessons, etc.). Amen |
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Post by BubbleDad on Aug 10, 2020 18:21:31 GMT -5
I agree it does come down to the player and what pushes you further is amount of money your parents have or someone who can invest in the kid.
American kids have a lot of options when it comes to choosing a career as well as distractions. Something seems fun when you are excelling at it but the moment it gets hard, parents are willing to change clubs or try a different sport all together. The Tophat to Concorde Mass Exodus was understandable though considering the club was going to a league the family didn't agree with.
My 14 yr old daughter refs so she can pay for her extra training. Kids get stuff handed to them too easily nowadays. Us as parents, we got to make them work for it so they have more pride in what they achieve on and off the field.
I used to threaten my daughter all the time with putting her back in Rec if she didn't spend quality time with her ball when away from her team. She would say she loves soccer, but would be on her tablet a lot more time than she would spend with her ball.
If she sticks this thing out with soccer, I think she'll be in a better mental state than a lot of the kids that are playing in levels above her right now because not only did she have to physically work to earn money to get extra training, but she also has to fight and claw her way to stand out.
A lot of kids fall off too because of injuries. Soccer on the club level seems to not do a good job with supplementing training with proper warm-up and cool-downs. This is beating our kids up. My daughter has already suffered a broken collarbone and rolled her ankle twice.
She is now in strength and conditioning weekly to help cut down on injuries and does yoga on a pretty regular basis.
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Post by Whistledown on Aug 10, 2020 18:32:27 GMT -5
I used to threaten my daughter all the time with putting her back in Rec if she didn't spend quality time with her ball when away from her team. She would say she loves soccer, but would be on her tablet a lot more time than she would spend with her ball. . |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 10, 2020 22:00:57 GMT -5
I agree it does come down to the player and what pushes you further is amount of money your parents have or someone who can invest in the kid. American kids have a lot of options when it comes to choosing a career as well as distractions. Something seems fun when you are excelling at it but the moment it gets hard, parents are willing to change clubs or try a different sport all together. The Tophat to Concorde Mass Exodus was understandable though considering the club was going to a league the family didn't agree with. My 14 yr old daughter refs so she can pay for her extra training. Kids get stuff handed to them too easily nowadays. Us as parents, we got to make them work for it so they have more pride in what they achieve on and off the field. I used to threaten my daughter all the time with putting her back in Rec if she didn't spend quality time with her ball when away from her team. She would say she loves soccer, but would be on her tablet a lot more time than she would spend with her ball. If she sticks this thing out with soccer, I think she'll be in a better mental state than a lot of the kids that are playing in levels above her right now because not only did she have to physically work to earn money to get extra training, but she also has to fight and claw her way to stand out. A lot of kids fall off too because of injuries. Soccer on the club level seems to not do a good job with supplementing training with proper warm-up and cool-downs. This is beating our kids up. My daughter has already suffered a broken collarbone and rolled her ankle twice. She is now in strength and conditioning weekly to help cut down on injuries and does yoga on a pretty regular basis. Good to do strength and conditioning. It may help prevent some injuries, but the broken clavicle is not one of them unless she did it because she was weak or clumsy. I agree that your child will have lessons from working hard to get better. I feel the same about my older one. She is even a little disgruntled that our knowledge after going through the early years with her is benefitting her younger sister. Her younger sister is light years ahead technically than she was at the same age. However the younger one is not as fast and that matters especially at the younger ages. My kid refs too, but does it because she enjoys learning more about the game, earning money and because it looks good on college applications. It is good in some ways that you have her work to pay for her extra training. |
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Post by liverpoolfc on Aug 10, 2020 22:49:27 GMT -5
Sometimes i found it funny how some parents think that a coach can drastically improve your athletes with two training sessions a week. Let break this down quickly.Talking from experience, I grew up in a country where my youth team practice 4 days a wk, one day film session and one day rest and game day. What youth club in the USA offer such program? And y'all think a coach can just magically make your daughter better with two practices a wk.. You better pay for private sessions and encourage your son and daughter to get out and work on his/her craft.
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Post by BubbleDad on Aug 10, 2020 23:23:18 GMT -5
Sometimes i found it funny how some parents think that a coach can drastically improve your athletes with two training sessions a week. Let break this down quickly.Talking from experience, I grew up in a country where my youth team practice 4 days a wk, one day film session and one day rest and game day. What youth club in the USA offer such program? And y'all think a coach can just magically make your daughter better with two practices a wk.. You better pay for private sessions and encourage your son and daughter to get out and work on his/her craft. Amen to that. Viewing film is a lost art it seems. We have plenty of technology to do this from the comfort of everyone's home. |
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Post by BubbleDad on Aug 10, 2020 23:27:46 GMT -5
I agree it does come down to the player and what pushes you further is amount of money your parents have or someone who can invest in the kid. American kids have a lot of options when it comes to choosing a career as well as distractions. Something seems fun when you are excelling at it but the moment it gets hard, parents are willing to change clubs or try a different sport all together. The Tophat to Concorde Mass Exodus was understandable though considering the club was going to a league the family didn't agree with. My 14 yr old daughter refs so she can pay for her extra training. Kids get stuff handed to them too easily nowadays. Us as parents, we got to make them work for it so they have more pride in what they achieve on and off the field. I used to threaten my daughter all the time with putting her back in Rec if she didn't spend quality time with her ball when away from her team. She would say she loves soccer, but would be on her tablet a lot more time than she would spend with her ball. If she sticks this thing out with soccer, I think she'll be in a better mental state than a lot of the kids that are playing in levels above her right now because not only did she have to physically work to earn money to get extra training, but she also has to fight and claw her way to stand out. A lot of kids fall off too because of injuries. Soccer on the club level seems to not do a good job with supplementing training with proper warm-up and cool-downs. This is beating our kids up. My daughter has already suffered a broken collarbone and rolled her ankle twice. She is now in strength and conditioning weekly to help cut down on injuries and does yoga on a pretty regular basis. Good to do strength and conditioning. It may help prevent some injuries, but the broken clavicle is not one of them unless she did it because she was weak or clumsy. I agree that your child will have lessons from working hard to get better. I feel the same about my older one. She is even a little disgruntled that our knowledge after going through the early years with her is benefitting her younger sister. Her younger sister is light years ahead technically than she was at the same age. However the younger one is not as fast and that matters especially at the younger ages. My kid refs too, but does it because she enjoys learning more about the game, earning money and because it looks good on college applications. It is good in some ways that you have her work to pay for her extra training. Good to know about adding reffing to the college applications. I wish I would have had my daughter try out for academy sooner too and worked on her technical skills. She didn't get into academy till U12. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 11, 2020 6:42:13 GMT -5
Another interesting dynamic ---
Take a club like NCFC --- we all always praise their style of play and ability to develop players.
But is their ability to "develop" players simply a product of them being the largest club in the country and them having a monopoly on the city of Raleigh.
Could you imagine for example a single club in north atlanta. Or lets say 2 clubs in North Atlanta. That would be insanity
- one up 75
- one up peachtree parkway
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Post by bogan on Aug 11, 2020 6:54:06 GMT -5
Another interesting dynamic --- Take a club like NCFC --- we all always praise their style of play and ability to develop players. But is their ability to "develop" players simply a product of them being the largest club in the country and them having a monopoly on the city of Raleigh. Could you imagine for example a single club in north atlanta. Or lets say 2 clubs in North Atlanta. That would be insanity - one up 75 - one up peachtree parkway Yeah-it would suck. Soccer in Atlanta would end at I-20. I do see your point though. |
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Post by roki12 on Aug 11, 2020 7:48:14 GMT -5
I’m a new member posting but I’ve been reading for awhile but wow I had to comment on this! I’ve never read a truer statement. The same people who complained about Tophat stealing and claiming success for other club’s players are the same people who are now saying “who cares where they came from, they are with us now”. So hypocritical it’s unbelievable! I find it interesting that the Tophat haters took so much joy in their “demise” but couldn’t be happier now that they have Tophat players on their team (or in the case of 07 Platinum, they ARE the team). Guess what, nothing changed at Tophat except the league they play in. Same coaches, same training philosophy and for most teams, same players. Those who want to be there, are there. GTFOH!!
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 11, 2020 7:52:44 GMT -5
Sometimes i found it funny how some parents think that a coach can drastically improve your athletes with two training sessions a week. Let break this down quickly.Talking from experience, I grew up in a country where my youth team practice 4 days a wk, one day film session and one day rest and game day. What youth club in the USA offer such program? And y'all think a coach can just magically make your daughter better with two practices a wk.. You better pay for private sessions and encourage your son and daughter to get out and work on his/her craft. The top 2-3 teams at most clubs train 3x.. a lot of the top teams now train 4x. |
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Post by BubbleDad on Aug 11, 2020 8:02:14 GMT -5
Sometimes i found it funny how some parents think that a coach can drastically improve your athletes with two training sessions a week. Let break this down quickly.Talking from experience, I grew up in a country where my youth team practice 4 days a wk, one day film session and one day rest and game day. What youth club in the USA offer such program? And y'all think a coach can just magically make your daughter better with two practices a wk.. You better pay for private sessions and encourage your son and daughter to get out and work on his/her craft. The top 2-3 teams at most clubs train 3x.. a lot of the top teams now train 4x. Yeah NTH SCCL-CLUB teams practice 3x/week and they're the 4th team down. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Aug 11, 2020 8:13:34 GMT -5
Sometimes i found it funny how some parents think that a coach can drastically improve your athletes with two training sessions a week. Let break this down quickly.Talking from experience, I grew up in a country where my youth team practice 4 days a wk, one day film session and one day rest and game day. What youth club in the USA offer such program? And y'all think a coach can just magically make your daughter better with two practices a wk.. You better pay for private sessions and encourage your son and daughter to get out and work on his/her craft. I don't think it's that simple. As others have already pointed out, most top teams are practicing 3 times/week. And for the ones who are only practicing 2 times/week, what are the goals of the team? How old are they? Most that are only 2 per week are either younger age groups OR it's a group of kids who were looking for a step-up from rec soccer (whether they wanted a step-up in competition or coaching, whatever). |
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Post by 04gparent on Aug 11, 2020 8:33:51 GMT -5
Sometimes i found it funny how some parents think that a coach can drastically improve your athletes with two training sessions a week. Let break this down quickly.Talking from experience, I grew up in a country where my youth team practice 4 days a wk, one day film session and one day rest and game day. What youth club in the USA offer such program? And y'all think a coach can just magically make your daughter better with two practices a wk.. You better pay for private sessions and encourage your son and daughter to get out and work on his/her craft. The top 2-3 teams at most clubs train 3x.. a lot of the top teams now train 4x. At a high level I agree that as parents we have to rethink practice. IMO we should supplement what the club does. An ECNL or GA player probably has club practice for 4.5 hours a week. Please compare that with elite athletes in other sports: Gymnastics: 12 Competitive Cheer: 10 per week on average Football (in season): 15 per week on field (10 on field plus 5 hours of weight room) Baseball: 6 Competitive Lacrosse: 5 I have heard at TH the GA teams both Gold and Navy will practice 4 times a week are ECNL teams practicing that often? |
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Post by Whistledown on Aug 11, 2020 8:41:39 GMT -5
The top 2-3 teams at most clubs train 3x.. a lot of the top teams now train 4x. At a high level I agree that as parents we have to rethink practice. IMO we should supplement what the club does. An ECNL or GA player probably has club practice for 4.5 hours a week. Please compare that with elite athletes in other sports: Gymnastics: 12 Competitive Cheer: 10 per week on average Football (in season): 15 per week on field (10 on field plus 5 hours of weight room) Baseball: 6 Competitive Lacrosse: 5 I have heard at TH the GA teams both Gold and Navy will practice 4 times a week are ECNL teams practicing that often? Yes ECNL teams practice 4x a week. |
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Post by fgug on Aug 11, 2020 9:10:47 GMT -5
I’m a new member posting but I’ve been reading for awhile but wow I had to comment on this! I’ve never read a truer statement. The same people who complained about Tophat stealing and claiming success for other club’s players are the same people who are now saying “who cares where they came from, they are with us now”. So hypocritical it’s unbelievable! I find it interesting that the Tophat haters took so much joy in their “demise” but couldn’t be happier now that they have Tophat players on their team (or in the case of 07 Platinum, they ARE the team). Guess what, nothing changed at Tophat except the league they play in. Same coaches, same training philosophy and for most teams, same players. Those who want to be there, are there. GTFOH!! So well said. |
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Post by cornerkick on Aug 11, 2020 9:31:50 GMT -5
I’m a new member posting but I’ve been reading for awhile but wow I had to comment on this! I’ve never read a truer statement. The same people who complained about Tophat stealing and claiming success for other club’s players are the same people who are now saying “who cares where they came from, they are with us now”. So hypocritical it’s unbelievable! I find it interesting that the Tophat haters took so much joy in their “demise” but couldn’t be happier now that they have Tophat players on their team (or in the case of 07 Platinum, they ARE the team). Guess what, nothing changed at Tophat except the league they play in. Same coaches, same training philosophy and for most teams, same players. Those who want to be there, are there. GTFOH!! Combining the Tophat players with the returning Concorde players has made for a very strong 07 squad. I think it is quite a stretch and unfair to the quality players throughout that team to claim the Tophat players ARE the team. From what I heard it was a couple of the returning Concorde players that really shined this weekend. |
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Post by roki12 on Aug 11, 2020 9:40:44 GMT -5
I’m a new member posting but I’ve been reading for awhile but wow I had to comment on this! I’ve never read a truer statement. The same people who complained about Tophat stealing and claiming success for other club’s players are the same people who are now saying “who cares where they came from, they are with us now”. So hypocritical it’s unbelievable! I find it interesting that the Tophat haters took so much joy in their “demise” but couldn’t be happier now that they have Tophat players on their team (or in the case of 07 Platinum, they ARE the team). Guess what, nothing changed at Tophat except the league they play in. Same coaches, same training philosophy and for most teams, same players. Those who want to be there, are there. GTFOH!! Combining the Tophat players with the returning Concorde players has made for a very strong 07 squad. I think it is quite a stretch and unfair to the quality players throughout that team to claim the Tophat players ARE the team. From what I heard it was a couple of the returning Concorde players that really shined this weekend. [br They are a strong team, and the Roswell/Concorde player was by far the best in my opinion. When you take 9-10 of the Tophat DA team to fill 11 starting positions.... I stand by my statement. It’s the Tophat team. I am not counting the goalies - that’s a whole other thread. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 11, 2020 9:49:07 GMT -5
The top 2-3 teams at most clubs train 3x.. a lot of the top teams now train 4x. At a high level I agree that as parents we have to rethink practice. IMO we should supplement what the club does. An ECNL or GA player probably has club practice for 4.5 hours a week. Please compare that with elite athletes in other sports: Gymnastics: 12 Competitive Cheer: 10 per week on average Football (in season): 15 per week on field (10 on field plus 5 hours of weight room) Baseball: 6 Competitive Lacrosse: 5 I have heard at TH the GA teams both Gold and Navy will practice 4 times a week are ECNL teams practicing that often? My kid trains with her team about 5 hours per week maybe a bit more. Then there is the private trainer usually 1.5 hours in season and more off season. There is usually 3 or more on her own at home. What I think is missing is the strength and conditioning. Most of the clubs don't do enough of this for injury prevention and leave the parents to find their own. Our experience with outside trainers for strength and conditioning is hit and miss. It would be nice if the clubs had some relationship with a strength and conditioning training place where maybe there was a deal like some have with Toca now. |
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Post by bogan on Aug 11, 2020 10:44:58 GMT -5
“It would be nice if the clubs had some relationship with a strength and conditioning training place where maybe there was a deal like some have with Toca now.”
A word of caution though-my sons former club used to do this but stopped when the saw injuries increase. Not an expert by any means, but I think it needs to be soccer specific conditioning.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 11, 2020 11:01:01 GMT -5
“It would be nice if the clubs had some relationship with a strength and conditioning training place where maybe there was a deal like some have with Toca now.” A word of caution though-my sons former club used to do this but stopped when the saw injuries increase. Not an expert by any means, but I think it needs to be soccer specific conditioning. No question that there is a need for the trainers to pay attention to sport. That is part of why I said our experience was hit and miss. We went to a guy who had my at the time 13 year old daughter lifting things that were too heavy and she strained her back. They need to be aware and assess the athletes appropriately but one would hope that if a soccer club actually linked with a place they would work together to do soccer specific strength training. |
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