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Post by sailingaway on Aug 25, 2020 16:14:38 GMT -5
I'm learning over the course of many years that these people are my least favorite in the youth soccer landscape.
Please play along, I'll start:
"We will work with your coach's schedule" - He better have a helicopter
"A refund will be given" - You will never see that money again
"Competitive play" = Your Athena C team will play in the top division and no, we will not move them down
"Don't worry, we will delay your game until your coach can get there" - Not going to happen
"It's the best we can do" - We don't like your club
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Post by rifle on Aug 25, 2020 16:35:27 GMT -5
We have eight teams registered in your bracket. (Actually three)
We have three referees for every game. (Most)
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Post by bogan on Aug 25, 2020 16:46:30 GMT -5
“We have three referees for every game.”
But two may be parents/coaches...
“Competitive play" = Your Classic 2 team has to play NPL, sorry.
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Post by ga3v3 on Aug 25, 2020 17:42:54 GMT -5
You’re right. It’s a total sham
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Post by sailingaway on Aug 25, 2020 18:09:42 GMT -5
“We have three referees for every game.” But two may be parents/coaches... “Competitive play" = Your Classic 2 team has to play NPL, sorry. Yes! the refs! and ... "the field is unplayable" - we have no refs available "the lights are broken" - we don't want to pay for them |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 25, 2020 19:29:56 GMT -5
So my kid signed up to ref the Concorde tourney at Rush complex and they said they had it covered. However, my younger daughter had games with 1 AR happen. One of the refs that she did have was puking right before the game.
Last weekend she did get games at the AFC Lightning tourney. I watched a few of the games. One of the AR's that was with her was almost never lined up with the last defender. He was very corpulent (trying to be nice) and I don’t think he could keep up with the U13 girls. Sad.
They are desperate for refs though. They need them badly. For the AFC tourney and the Concorde tourney the southside fields they had real trouble filling.
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Post by parent2000 on Aug 25, 2020 20:15:45 GMT -5
They are desperate for refs. But as a tournament, if you’re unable to field the amount of refs needed for however many games you have, then shouldn’t you not accept so many teams?
And honestly the above should extend to competent refs. It seems the situation is so dire they’re literally throwing warm bodies out there. I can easily say in recent years well under 25% of our games have been ref’d by someone competent. The few games in which this has actually happened were so nice... both sides of parents (as well as coaches) were pretty quiet after the ref calls... games were kept under control so players were not beat to hell or worse... And so on.
One question I have is if leagues matter when it comes to refs? For instance, do you need to be a more seasoned ref to do ECNL games vs say Classic 3? Or no difference?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 25, 2020 20:43:03 GMT -5
They are desperate for refs. But as a tournament, if you’re unable to field the amount of refs needed for however many games you have, then shouldn’t you not accept so many teams? And honestly the above should extend to competent refs. It seems the situation is so dire they’re literally throwing warm bodies out there. I can easily say in recent years well under 25% of our games have been ref’d by someone competent. The few games in which this has actually happened were so nice... both sides of parents (as well as coaches) were pretty quiet after the ref calls... games were kept under control so players were not beat to hell or worse... And so on. One question I have is if leagues matter when it comes to refs? For instance, do you need to be a more seasoned ref to do ECNL games vs say Classic 3? Or no difference? There are a lot of refs who are young out there and learning the game, but many are still competent. Parents on one of my daughter's games were mad at her because they thought she missed an offsides call (did not affect the outcome but it could have). She stuck to her decision though. She was 100% sure the player was not off and the coach agreed with her. I do not think parents know what they are talking about a lot of the time and offsides particularly as I see how often those are called incorrectly in pro games and overturned on VAR. As for the question for leagues, yes it matters. Generally higher level leagues get more experienced refs at the U13 and up. There are also age restrictions. You cannot CR a game at your own age group or up. You can AR 3 years older than you are. My child has been an AR for SCCL but not a CR. She doesn't feel comfortable enough doing that yet. She plays high level herself but had only been a ref for about 2 years. |
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Post by parent2000 on Aug 25, 2020 21:03:36 GMT -5
Appreciate the response. And to clarify, not talking about young refs still learning the game or questions about offsides.
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Post by sailingaway on Aug 25, 2020 22:54:48 GMT -5
They are desperate for refs. But as a tournament, if you’re unable to field the amount of refs needed for however many games you have, then shouldn’t you not accept so many teams? And honestly the above should extend to competent refs. It seems the situation is so dire they’re literally throwing warm bodies out there. I can easily say in recent years well under 25% of our games have been ref’d by someone competent. The few games in which this has actually happened were so nice... both sides of parents (as well as coaches) were pretty quiet after the ref calls... games were kept under control so players were not beat to hell or worse... And so on. One question I have is if leagues matter when it comes to refs? For instance, do you need to be a more seasoned ref to do ECNL games vs say Classic 3? Or no difference? Completely agree about the tournament situation. As mentioned, AFC was lacking refs on the southside this past weekend. Not surprisingly, they closed the Peachtree Athletic Complex at the last minute with zero notice Saturday am while 8am teams were rolling into the parking lot for warmups. Blamed it on rain overnight and that the fields were unplayable. Not sure why they couldn't figure that out before they finally posted something on their website at 9am right around the time the 10am teams starting rolling in for warmups. Peachtree City rep told a team manager at 9:30am he would be back to check the fields at noon, but by 9:15am AFC had already decided to cancel the entire day and rescheduled only some of the games for other locations. Several teams that had driven 90+ minutes that morning got to waste hours waiting on a reschedule that never happened and didn't play ONE game on Saturday. Interestingly enough, there were only 1-2 refs to be seen that early morning, not the full squad you would expect for a scheduled out facility. Things that make you go hmmmmm? |
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Post by bogan on Aug 26, 2020 5:25:32 GMT -5
They are desperate for refs. But as a tournament, if you’re unable to field the amount of refs needed for however many games you have, then shouldn’t you not accept so many teams? And honestly the above should extend to competent refs. It seems the situation is so dire they’re literally throwing warm bodies out there. I can easily say in recent years well under 25% of our games have been ref’d by someone competent. The few games in which this has actually happened were so nice... both sides of parents (as well as coaches) were pretty quiet after the ref calls... games were kept under control so players were not beat to hell or worse... And so on. One question I have is if leagues matter when it comes to refs? For instance, do you need to be a more seasoned ref to do ECNL games vs say Classic 3? Or no difference? Completely agree about the tournament situation. As mentioned, AFC was lacking refs on the southside this past weekend. Not surprisingly, they closed the Peachtree Athletic Complex at the last minute with zero notice Saturday am while 8am teams were rolling into the parking lot for warmups. Blamed it on rain overnight and that the fields were unplayable. Not sure why they couldn't figure that out before they finally posted something on their website at 9am right around the time the 10am teams starting rolling in for warmups. Peachtree City rep told a team manager at 9:30am he would be back to check the fields at noon, but by 9:15am AFC had already decided to cancel the entire day and rescheduled only some of the games for other locations. Several teams that had driven 90+ minutes that morning got to waste hours waiting on a reschedule that never happened and didn't play ONE game on Saturday. Interestingly enough, there were only 1-2 refs to be seen that early morning, not the full squad you would expect for a scheduled out facility. Things that make you go hmmmmm? From years of playing at PAC (and it’s precursor at that location in the 1980s), if it sprinkles they will close it down because it becomes a muddy quagmire very quickly, especially up top. However, all the GPL and National League teams were playing this weekend (opening weekend) nearby in Hampton and at Badger Creek in Canton-we had a lot of the experienced crews at those locations. |
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Post by soccernotfootball on Aug 26, 2020 6:38:15 GMT -5
Want more refs, STFU on the sidelines... the younger ones need experience and by the time they have the games under their belt, they're tired of being yelled at and leave.
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Post by nole95 on Aug 26, 2020 6:59:42 GMT -5
Agree with the AFC tournament lacking refs. Our U18/19 team had an 8am game on Sunday morning and at 8am, not a ref was to be found for either of the MOBA fields that had games. At 8:15 we finally had one show up, and they had to get a parent from each team to run the line to help with throw in calls. Luckily it was a cleanly played game, and there was never really any offside call that was missed.
Our game later in the afternoon did have a full squad and a ref (older gentleman) that did his best to keep the game under control. I think he issued 4 or 5 yellow cards to the other team, with one being a red after two yellows, and one to our team. That was a rough game.
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