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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 8:50:26 GMT -5
Well, i always fear singling out a person for being a psycho crazy parent etc.
But this weekend at the adi elite cup up at fowler, there was not just a psycho parent but an entire psycho sideline. I'm not honestly sure the age, it was either u10 or u11, it was 8v8. it was a dacula team, the parents were screaming/shouting and trying to coach like crazy from the sideline.
i have no problems with an occasional yell or attempt at coaching, but let the kids freaking play.
one last caveat, i am a psycho parent as well! first step is acceptance!!! now, i just need treatment!!
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Post by jash on Aug 12, 2014 14:55:54 GMT -5
How about psycho coaches? Can we post those here too?
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Post by futbolandcowbell on Aug 13, 2014 6:52:12 GMT -5
That's Funny Messi we encountered a similar experience from the same club. They even asked us one time to scoot back so they can see the other side better. maybe its in the water up there in Dacula?
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Post by spectator on Aug 13, 2014 12:34:04 GMT -5
Stay tuned - my kid is refereeing this weekend. She should have some good tournament psycho parent stories by Sunday! I get a kick being on the sidelines while she is the AR - listening to parents is hilarious when they're not your own team or opponents.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 13, 2014 12:36:59 GMT -5
which sideline do you prefer her on when she is an AR? the coaches or parents sideline?
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Post by spectator on Aug 13, 2014 14:45:16 GMT -5
which sideline do you prefer her on when she is an AR? the coaches or parents sideline? Coaches - most definitely. For the most part, coaches won't yell at the AR - just the center - although she's had one NASA coach unleash on her and the other AR. Mind you this was U11 Academy regular season game so not sure what got that coach's panties in a wad. She and the other AR missed one or two offside calls. Even the most experienced refs miss one or two and neither of the ones missed resulted in a score so NASA coach needs to take a chill pill and sit down. On the parents side, honestly I worry more about my daughter turning around and unleashing on a few dumb parents more than I worry about them harassing her. Like her mama, she's sometimes lacking a filter and I can just see her turning to someone and telling them to sit down and shut up. Hopefully with enough authority that they'll do it but I doubt that so I tell her not to engage the parents - ever! She prefers Rec to Academy right now (she only started the AR gig this spring so she needs more experience) But she says at least those parents know what they don't know and don't feel so vested in every single game. We both laugh at the intensity of Academy parents - I'm sure I was that way back in the day and I'd have loved for the older me to have time traveled back to tell the younger more uptight me that it doesn't matter at that age. It really honestly does not matter until the games start at U13. Get the skills before then so you can get on a good U13 team but until that whistle blows for the first Classic or Athena game, sit down and shut up!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 9:28:31 GMT -5
bring on the psycho coaches!!
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Post by dreaddy on Aug 14, 2014 12:58:11 GMT -5
She prefers Rec to Academy right now (she only started the AR gig this spring so she needs more experience) But she says at least those parents know what they don't know and don't feel so vested in every single game. We both laugh at the intensity of Academy parents A little surprised at this. Where I am, the club does a fairly good job of getting the Academy parents to behave. It's the rec games where we have problems.
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Post by jash on Aug 14, 2014 15:56:09 GMT -5
So... though we didn't play against them (thankfully), I had the good fortune of seeing the Darlington team play in the SSA tournament. soccer.sincsports.com/TTTeam.aspx?tid=SSASC&teamid=GAM00963This team's coach was, by far, the meanest person I have ever heard coaching soccer. He shouted rude insults at his own players the entire time I was watching. I didn't stay for the whole game but I fear it couldn't have gotten better since they lost in the final. Honestly, I seriously considered walking over and telling him how awfully he was behaving. Yes, that would have been completely inappropriate for me to do, but yes, his behavior was so bad I seriously considered it.
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Post by spectator on Aug 14, 2014 17:39:31 GMT -5
She prefers Rec to Academy right now (she only started the AR gig this spring so she needs more experience) But she says at least those parents know what they don't know and don't feel so vested in every single game. We both laugh at the intensity of Academy parents A little surprised at this. Where I am, the club does a fairly good job of getting the Academy parents to behave. It's the rec games where we have problems. I'm sure it depends on age and gender - and level of the team. The U11 Girls and Boys Academy parents were awful. Supposedly these were the 'top' Academy teams in the age group - not that 'top' matters until late U12/U13 but these folks were all caught up in winning and whether losing would hurt their rankings. The U12 boys Rec parents were super laid back. I actually had a nice sideline chat with several of their parents. They saw this lone person sitting on their sidelines and came up to ask which one was my son. I laughed and said - the girl who is your AR. One of the dads was really interested in learning how she became a ref so young. I think clubs forget about older age Rec players and don't always communicate all that they do with the Select/Athena teams. THis dad never heard of the ref classes so I emailed him the link and he thanked me and said he was going to sign his son up. We're hurting for referees - so bring it on!
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Post by jack4343 on Aug 14, 2014 19:29:29 GMT -5
My daughter just completed referee training a couple of weeks ago and she's now a R9 ref. She hasn't took the next step yet and contacted an assignor to get games that she could ref as she's getting situated at her club but she's definitely interested in it. I think it's a wonderful opportunity to continue to learn the game to benefit her now and stay involved even after her playing days are over. She loves the sport and gets a kick out of being out there.
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Post by spectator on Aug 15, 2014 8:33:28 GMT -5
My daughter just completed referee training a couple of weeks ago and she's now a R9 ref. She hasn't took the next step yet and contacted an assignor to get games that she could ref as she's getting situated at her club but she's definitely interested in it. I think it's a wonderful opportunity to continue to learn the game to benefit her now and stay involved even after her playing days are over. She loves the sport and gets a kick out of being out there. Jack that's awesome! I hope she gets some assignments and enjoys it -I know she'll enjoy the paycheck! It's really good money for a kid this age and keeps them involved with soccer. Did you get to meet the assignor for your club? If not, try to contact him or her and see if they're having an orientation meeting or refresher course before the season starts. The assignor, Lou, at NASA is great - he met with a bunch of the new R9's in January at a refresher course and really set their minds at ease by telling them he would not throw them into anything they weren't ready to handle. At another club, a friend of my daughter's got put out as center for a younger team with some really weird rules no goalies, no throw ins, etc. and she was turned off refereeing completely - hasn't every done it again. It's important that your daughter's first job is one that will make her want to continue so definitely try to get in contact with the assignor at your club or other local clubs in your area. This will be my daughter's first time working a tournament - (NASA Girls) and we've also signed up to work the NASA boys tournament next weekend. They may still have positions open and that is the assignor I mentioned above so you should sign her up and put in the notes she's a first timer. Lou will make sure she's with seasoned refs to work with her. Good luck and good for her for giving this a try. (You'll also get a kick watching from the sidelines for a bit - bet you'll come back with a few psycho parent stories afterwards LOL)
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Post by jack4343 on Aug 17, 2014 17:25:36 GMT -5
Thanks so much for the advice! We're going to contact the assignor at UFA-Norcross and try to work at Pickneyville since it's so close to our house even though she doesn't play there anymore. To be honest, I'm not even sure how to get their contact info. The club secretary is out of town for a couple of weeks so we might have to wait. I'm going to nose around the internet and see what turns up. Again, thanks for the info!
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Post by reinalocura on Aug 17, 2014 19:54:35 GMT -5
Thanks so much for the advice! We're going to contact the assignor at UFA-Norcross and try to work at Pickneyville since it's so close to our house even though she doesn't play there anymore. To be honest, I'm not even sure how to get their contact info. The club secretary is out of town for a couple of weeks so we might have to wait. I'm going to nose around the internet and see what turns up. Again, thanks for the info! UFA Norcross Referee Assignor try Mike Wright refereeadmin@nsafury.org UFA Referee Assignor is Linda Hughes ref_assignor@yahoo.com
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Post by jack4343 on Aug 18, 2014 6:46:10 GMT -5
Thanks so much for the advice! We're going to contact the assignor at UFA-Norcross and try to work at Pickneyville since it's so close to our house even though she doesn't play there anymore. To be honest, I'm not even sure how to get their contact info. The club secretary is out of town for a couple of weeks so we might have to wait. I'm going to nose around the internet and see what turns up. Again, thanks for the info! UFA Norcross Referee Assignor try Mike Wright refereeadmin@nsafury.org UFA Referee Assignor is Linda Hughes ref_assignor@yahoo.com Thanks so much for getting that information!
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Post by zizou on Aug 18, 2014 7:13:40 GMT -5
I agree that parents should keep themselves under control. But I also believe that atrocious officiating should be managed in some way. I witnessed some pretty poor youth soccer refereeing performances this weekend. It was not just missed calls and/or obviously wrong calls. It was game management that put players at risk. This is even worse coming from officials who seem to be a dangerous combination of marginally competent and arrogant.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 18, 2014 7:56:48 GMT -5
I agree that parents should keep themselves under control. But I also believe that atrocious officiating should be managed in some way. I witness some pretty poor youth soccer refereeing performances this weekend. It was not just missed calls and/or obviously wrong calls. It was game management that put players at risk. This is even worse coming from officials who seem to be a dangerous combination of marginally competent and arrogant. agree. i don't mind physical play, but when you see arms extended consistently and tackles from behind, you have to call a foul. I see it to often, where there is no whistle blown and next thing you know the game gets way to chippy and parents from both sides start shouting off. I see too many obvious fouls not called on both sides (our and opposing team). Obvious dangerous plays, where there is no advantage after the play. Some refs don't understand its a learning process for the players as well, what are players "allowed to do" and how to learn from our mistakes. If they don't get called for it, they will keep playing that way. 3 of the 4 of our games this weekend were very well officiated. the championship game, got a little bit rough and saw a lot of inconsistencies both ways. Its not an easy job for sure. the ref did NOT impact the outcome of the game though. The AR on one side was scared to raise her flag for fouls near her and never was in the proper position to make an offside call correctly. fortunately, in the end in made no difference, but caused some unnecessary rowdiness from both parents sidelines. For the most part though, it was all in the spirit of the game. their is a happy medium for sure, because there is nothing worse than going to a soccer game and its like a freaking golf tournament with complete silence..........
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Post by spectator on Aug 18, 2014 13:52:10 GMT -5
I agree that parents should keep themselves under control. But I also believe that atrocious officiating should be managed in some way. I witnessed some pretty poor youth soccer refereeing performances this weekend. It was not just missed calls and/or obviously wrong calls. It was game management that put players at risk. This is even worse coming from officials who seem to be a dangerous combination of marginally competent and arrogant. In any tournament and at regular season games at most parks with multiple fields, if you see officiating that is bordering on dangerous the players, you can go find a field marshall or go to the referee's station and ask that someone come monitor your game. I know when my kid refs at NASA - there are multiple 'floaters' there to cover if someone doesn't show or - worst case scenario - if a ref has to be removed. Years ago at a UFA tournament, we had a very young center ref (too young in fact - the girls were bigger than he was). He was obviously in over his head and allowed some really blatant fouls on both sides so it was just a matter of time before someone got hurt. Two sets of parents from both teams approached the head referee at the tournament desk and asked that our ref be monitored. He was removed by the half and replaced with a referee who was better equipped to handle the game. In our case, it was inexperience more than incompetance however, I've seen some really bad refereeing from supposedly 'experienced' referees too. If you ask (nicely) that a ref be watched, be prepared to explain logically why - not just that you feel it's one sided against your team - multiple missed calls resulting in scores or fouls are good reasons And you can always take the ref class and become a referee yourself - there's a shortage and the only way to remove bad referees entirely is to have a pool of better ones to replace them with.
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Post by dreaddy on Aug 18, 2014 14:13:15 GMT -5
And you can always take the ref class and become a referee yourself - there's a shortage and the only way to remove bad referees entirely is to have a pool of better ones to replace them with. Well said! My favorite incident was when three "ladies" came demanding to know who was in charge of the referees because the ref on their field was terrible. I went to watch the game. I thought the girl in the middle was doing an excellent job. The team that these "ladies" were from was committing a lot of fouls and she was calling them. Of course, the ladies though the ref was horrible. Then their team scored to tie the game. They got a lot quieter with their complaints. than their team scored again to g ahead. They walked away, no longer bothered by the refereeing. The coach of the team was very obnoxious and was screaming at the referee throughout, even when his team was ahead. People like him need not be coaching. After losing, the coach of the other team went up to the ref and thanked her for doing an excellent job under very difficult circumstances. That's the kind of person we need!
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