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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 11:07:11 GMT -5
Im wondering if the coaches should have badges/ certification. Because in my mind, some coaches that I have seen do not know the right drills to teach their players. For example, If they're telling all the kids to juggle, and at least 95% can't do 50 juggles, WHAT'S THE POINT? Like they seriously think that those kids are going to go juggle out on the field. And that's just the start. The kids need to learn technical and tactical things in practices that the coaches would know that are essential for their development if THEY HAD GOT THE FREAKING BADGES. Some of the coaches are only there for their kids, for god's sake. This is a joke and it needs to be fixed. The big clubs aren't doing anything about it even when it's happening and parents are complaining.
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Post by Keeper on Sept 15, 2020 12:07:27 GMT -5
Are you that stupid to say juggling is not a vital part of youth development?
Or are you saying why is a coach telling his players to keep doing even though they obviously are not doing it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 12:12:37 GMT -5
Are you that stupid to say juggling is not a vital part of youth development? Or are you saying why is a coach telling his players to keep doing even though they obviously are not doing it? 2nd one |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 15, 2020 12:23:41 GMT -5
Repetition of a skill that is being done incorrectly is not helping the player improve. So if a kid is shooting by toeing the ball the coach will usually (hopefully) correct it. When kids juggle they rarely correct technique. Yes they will probably eventually figure it out but why not show them how to position their foot, ankle, knee and hip and what the correct movement looks like rather than watching them do a mini punt every time. Just my 2 cents
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Post by bogan on Sept 15, 2020 12:57:16 GMT -5
“Badges? We ain’t got no badges! We don’t need no badges! I don’t have to show you any stinking badges!”
Sorry-couldn’t resist...
To the question-if it weren’t such a money grab here in the States-I’d say yes to the badges; however, one of the best/technical youth coaches that I know only has a C license. He was a former professional-said unless he had to get it (A badge) wasn’t worth the money.
That was a while ago so, it may be better now.
In more than a few South American countries the parents coach until U-11 or U-12, then the licensed coaches come into play...but it’s a different culture.
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Post by mistergrinch on Sept 15, 2020 13:00:54 GMT -5
Im wondering if the coaches should have badges/ certification. Because in my mind, some coaches that I have seen do not know the right drills to teach their players. For example, If they're telling all the kids to juggle, and at least 95% can't do 50 juggles, WHAT'S THE POINT? Like they seriously think that those kids are going to go juggle out on the field. And that's just the start. The kids need to learn technical and tactical things in practices that the coaches would know that are essential for their development if THEY HAD GOT THE FREAKING BADGES. Some of the coaches are only there for their kids, for god's sake. This is a joke and it needs to be fixed. The big clubs aren't doing anything about it even when it's happening and parents are complaining. Charlie Weis, as an offensive coordinator, has three super bowl rings. He never played football. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 13:07:50 GMT -5
Im wondering if the coaches should have badges/ certification. Because in my mind, some coaches that I have seen do not know the right drills to teach their players. For example, If they're telling all the kids to juggle, and at least 95% can't do 50 juggles, WHAT'S THE POINT? Like they seriously think that those kids are going to go juggle out on the field. And that's just the start. The kids need to learn technical and tactical things in practices that the coaches would know that are essential for their development if THEY HAD GOT THE FREAKING BADGES. Some of the coaches are only there for their kids, for god's sake. This is a joke and it needs to be fixed. The big clubs aren't doing anything about it even when it's happening and parents are complaining. Charlie Weis, as an offensive coordinator, has three super bowl rings. He never played football. I'm saying the kids! Not the coaches. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 15, 2020 13:32:17 GMT -5
Charlie Weis, as an offensive coordinator, has three super bowl rings. He never played football. I'm saying the kids! Not the coaches. As U10 my older daughter was juggling over 50 at a time and a trainer who happened to be a former player in Europe and a D2 collegiate player said that the majority of their D2 women's team could not juggle as well as my 10 year old kid. However at 10 my kid could do little else well except juggling. I am not sure what you are saying about juggling and training. R u saying unless they can do at least 50 it is not worth training on it? R u saying that despite training they can't do 50 because the coaches suck? R u saying it is a waste of time in team training? Please help me understand what you are trying to convey |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 14:08:29 GMT -5
I'm saying the kids! Not the coaches. As U10 my older daughter was juggling over 50 at a time and a trainer who happened to be a former player in Europe and a D2 collegiate player said that the majority of their D2 women's team could not juggle as well as my 10 year old kid. However at 10 my kid could do little else well except juggling. I am not sure what you are saying about juggling and training. R u saying unless they can do at least 50 it is not worth training on it? R u saying that despite training they can't do 50 because the coaches suck? R u saying it is a waste of time in team training? Please help me understand what you are trying to convey Noooooooooooo. I'm saying if the coaches keep telling them to do it everyday, and the kids don't practice it in their own time, THEIR NOT GOING TO GET GOOD AT IT! |
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Post by bogan on Sept 15, 2020 14:09:55 GMT -5
As U10 my older daughter was juggling over 50 at a time and a trainer who happened to be a former player in Europe and a D2 collegiate player said that the majority of their D2 women's team could not juggle as well as my 10 year old kid. However at 10 my kid could do little else well except juggling. I am not sure what you are saying about juggling and training. R u saying unless they can do at least 50 it is not worth training on it? R u saying that despite training they can't do 50 because the coaches suck? R u saying it is a waste of time in team training? Please help me understand what you are trying to convey Noooooooooooo. I'm saying if the coaches keep telling them to do it everyday, and the kids don't practice it in their own time, THEIR NOT GOING TO GET GOOD AT IT! True |
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Post by ball2futbol on Sept 15, 2020 15:20:28 GMT -5
As U10 my older daughter was juggling over 50 at a time and a trainer who happened to be a former player in Europe and a D2 collegiate player said that the majority of their D2 women's team could not juggle as well as my 10 year old kid. However at 10 my kid could do little else well except juggling. I am not sure what you are saying about juggling and training. R u saying unless they can do at least 50 it is not worth training on it? R u saying that despite training they can't do 50 because the coaches suck? R u saying it is a waste of time in team training? Please help me understand what you are trying to convey Noooooooooooo. I'm saying if the coaches keep telling them to do it everyday, and the kids don't practice it in their own time, THEIR NOT GOING TO GET GOOD AT IT! That's a valid statement. I've always looked at coaches telling kids to "juggle" to kickoff practices, was a way for coaches to gauge which kids were putting in the extra time outside of practice especially at that age. Those that got noticeably better over the course of time, had probably put in extra work in other soccer related areas as well. |
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Post by Keeper on Sept 15, 2020 15:54:02 GMT -5
As U10 my older daughter was juggling over 50 at a time and a trainer who happened to be a former player in Europe and a D2 collegiate player said that the majority of their D2 women's team could not juggle as well as my 10 year old kid. However at 10 my kid could do little else well except juggling. I am not sure what you are saying about juggling and training. R u saying unless they can do at least 50 it is not worth training on it? R u saying that despite training they can't do 50 because the coaches suck? R u saying it is a waste of time in team training? Please help me understand what you are trying to convey Noooooooooooo. I'm saying if the coaches keep telling them to do it everyday, and the kids don't practice it in their own time, THEIR NOT GOING TO GET GOOD AT IT! Coach says do this. Kid doesn’t do it and never gets better. Hmm...sounds like a parenting issue to me. That’s like teacher says do your school work or you’ll fail. Kid doesn’t do their work, now parent yelling at coach for not teaching when parent didnt make sure kid was doing their work. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 15, 2020 16:00:46 GMT -5
Noooooooooooo. I'm saying if the coaches keep telling them to do it everyday, and the kids don't practice it in their own time, THEIR NOT GOING TO GET GOOD AT IT! That's a valid statement. I've always looked at coaches telling kids to "juggle" to kickoff practices, was a way for coaches to gauge which kids were putting in the extra time outside of practice especially at that age. Those that got noticeably better over the course of time, had probably put in extra work in other soccer related areas as well. Honestly that is true but as I mentioned my older kid got great at juggling by putting in the time but she was no good at actually playing the game of soccer (except shooting) until she put in the time to get better at foot skills/dribbling, first touch and passing. We have spent A LOT less time with the younger one working on juggling. She is not as good at juggling as her sister was but she is way better at every other skill because she spends the minimal free time that she has working on footwork and first touch. Juggling is fun to play around with but not as important in my opinion as being able to dribble. If a coach is estimating time spent at home based off of juggling with my younger kid he would think she is goofing off or lazy when really she works at home a lot. |
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Post by Southside Soccer on Sept 15, 2020 19:08:41 GMT -5
Are you that stupid to say juggling is not a vital part of youth development? Or are you saying why is a coach telling his players to keep doing even though they obviously are not doing it? Player juggling a ball is a very important part of player development. I used it as a coach during as part of my team warm ups as it mentally focussed my players while also warming up all muscles of their body. additionally, if a player couldnt juggle a ball under his own control for any significant time, then what confidence would that same player have in using the ball at their feet to beat any defender challenging my player in a game? Technical and tactical skills are important, but if any player isnt first competent and comfortable in juggling, and controlling, the ball unchallenged, then anything else is just a waste of time |
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Post by rifle on Sept 15, 2020 19:25:00 GMT -5
It’d be cool if clubs published a curriculum that outlined layers of skills the club seeks to develop in its players. Then parents wouldn’t have to go on rants about how much they know and how poor the coach is because XYZ.
But they don’t.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Sept 15, 2020 19:36:05 GMT -5
Anyone can learn to juggle - there is no barrier to entry. Certainly there is a baseline ability any elite soccer player must have, but you don’t need to be the soccer equivalent of a Harlem Globetrotter to be elite. I’d much rather see what your technical skill and speed of decision making is when you have 2 badass opponents breathing down your neck!
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Sept 15, 2020 21:08:08 GMT -5
It’d be cool if clubs published a curriculum that outlined layers of skills the club seeks to develop in its players. Then parents wouldn’t have to go on rants about how much they know and how poor the coach is because XYZ. But they don’t. I know when my kids went thru UFA-N, they had a curriculum and the coach would relay it to the parents at certain intervals... |
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Post by Keeper on Sept 15, 2020 21:24:06 GMT -5
It’d be cool if clubs published a curriculum that outlined layers of skills the club seeks to develop in its players. Then parents wouldn’t have to go on rants about how much they know and how poor the coach is because XYZ. But they don’t. A lot of smaller clubs already do. The mega clubs with a hundred coaches are the ones that can’t and won’t. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Sept 15, 2020 21:30:34 GMT -5
Im wondering if the coaches should have badges/ certification. Because in my mind, some coaches that I have seen do not know the right drills to teach their players. I agree, coaches should have certifications, however, the USSF has to work on reducing or eliminating the cost restrictions that prohibit coaches from attaining these licenses. For some licences the cost is upwards of $3000 - $4000, each. If you are lucky, your club absorbs the costs for you once you pass by reimbursing you. But, sadly, most clubs just can't afford to or choose not to do that, so you have to find a way to fund the license process. Plus remember, you don't just walk up and say hey can I take the test, you have to pass pre-requisites, travel to the testing and learning center locations, spend on travel, lodging, feeding, transportation. In essence, there is a major investment involved in attaining these certification or Badges as you put them. Most coaches unless they are from a well to do family or have a partner working full time don't really make a lot when they are starting out. Or prior to becoming some type of "director" e.g. Boys Academy Director, Rec Director, etc. Below is the current pathway for those looking to get certified. If memory serves me right, to get your D-License, you have to take 2 grassroots courses prior... p.s. I will also add, you meeting and passing all the license requirements does not automatically make you a good coach either!  |
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Post by Keeper on Sept 15, 2020 22:37:58 GMT -5
Im wondering if the coaches should have badges/ certification. Because in my mind, some coaches that I have seen do not know the right drills to teach their players. I agree, coaches should have certifications, however, the USSF has to work on reducing or eliminating the cost restrictions that prohibit coaches from attaining these licenses. For some licences the cost is upwards of $3000 - $4000, each. If you are lucky, your club absorbs the costs for you once you pass by reimbursing you. But, sadly, most clubs just can't afford to or choose not to do that, so you have to find a way to fund the license process. Plus remember, you don't just walk up and say hey can I take the test, you have to pass pre-requisites, travel to the testing and learning center locations, spend on travel, lodging, feeding, transportation. In essence, there is a major investment involved in attaining these certification or Badges as you put them. Most coaches unless they are from a well to do family or have a partner working full time don't really make a lot when they are starting out. Or prior to becoming some type of "director" e.g. Boys Academy Director, Rec Director, etc. Below is the current pathway for those looking to get certified. If memory serves me right, to get your D-License, you have to take 2 grassroots courses prior... p.s. I will also add, you meeting and passing all the license requirements does not automatically make you a good coach either! Exactly! It’s this system that only rewards the rich or high level former players is why the USA will never win a Men’s World Cup or be a Top 10 global team, and why the Womens side is fading while other nations are becoming better. USSoccer needs to drop the cost of C licenses and down to zero. And A and B licenses should be less then $500 and based off recommendations. We should be all about pushing coaching education but instead you’ve got massive long wait lists for the A, B and C license. |
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Post by baller84 on Sept 16, 2020 9:54:31 GMT -5
Fully agree with the above. Also, coaches have licenses (not badges). While licenses -just like experience- are excellent to have, they should also be more realistic in value or future return. License courses have gotten so ridiculously expensive that -unless a coach has DOC or pro league ambitions- he/she's more likely to opt out of an A or B license course.
This is a big reason why we see many solid coaches only have a C or just D license, even though they may have been coaching for over a decade, thus far more experience than some younger ambitious coaches with higher licenses, or, former pro players who qualified to jump into a top license course despite having little or no coaching experience at all.
And when it comes to coaching youth soccer (as opposed to college or pro or just adult), it's often like teaching in school. Having experience and kids of their own can often make them much more effective than younger coaches with a higher license. Again, not a rule, but in today's reality once should look at combination of both (license+experience) along with a track record in player development (where they started to where they got, not just winning records with talented teams).
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Post by invalid on Sept 16, 2020 10:10:50 GMT -5
Fully agree with the above. Also, coaches have licenses (not badges). While licenses -just like experience- are excellent to have, they should also be more realistic in value or future return. License courses have gotten so ridiculously expensive that -unless a coach has DOC or pro league ambitions- he/she's more likely to opt out of an A or B license course. This is a big reason why we see many solid coaches only have a C or just D license, even though they may have been coaching for over a decade, thus far more experience than some younger ambitious coaches with higher licenses, or, former pro players who qualified to jump into a top license course despite having little or no coaching experience at all. And when it comes to coaching youth soccer (as opposed to college or pro or just adult), it's often like teaching in school. Having experience and kids of their own can often make them much more effective than younger coaches with a higher license. Again, not a rule, but in today's reality once should look at combination of both (license+experience) along with a track record in player development (where they started to where they got, not just winning records with talented teams). Let me show how far we are behind In Spain an A licence badge costs between 400-800$ In Germany the A licence costs between 500-900 In USA an A licence badge costs between 2000-4000 |
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Post by baller84 on Sept 16, 2020 10:30:54 GMT -5
Fully agree with the above. Also, coaches have licenses (not badges). While licenses -just like experience- are excellent to have, they should also be more realistic in value or future return. License courses have gotten so ridiculously expensive that -unless a coach has DOC or pro league ambitions- he/she's more likely to opt out of an A or B license course. This is a big reason why we see many solid coaches only have a C or just D license, even though they may have been coaching for over a decade, thus far more experience than some younger ambitious coaches with higher licenses, or, former pro players who qualified to jump into a top license course despite having little or no coaching experience at all. And when it comes to coaching youth soccer (as opposed to college or pro or just adult), it's often like teaching in school. Having experience and kids of their own can often make them much more effective than younger coaches with a higher license. Again, not a rule, but in today's reality once should look at combination of both (license+experience) along with a track record in player development (where they started to where they got, not just winning records with talented teams). Let me show how far we are behind In Spain an A licence badge costs between 400-800$ In Germany the A licence costs between 500-900 In USA an A licence badge costs between 2000-4000 Thank you for justifying my point. The figures I have on UEFA courses from couple other countries are comparable to Spain and Germany. I think UEFA has done a great job keeping licensing costs reasonable. USSF where there is greater need, not so much .... |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 16, 2020 11:47:06 GMT -5
Lets be honest, USSF doesn't really want the growth of youth soccer in the US. The bigger it gets the less control they have. They want to monetize everything and maintain control.
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Post by invalid on Sept 16, 2020 11:55:09 GMT -5
Lets be honest, USSF doesn't really want the growth of youth soccer in the US. The bigger it gets the less control they have. They want to monetize everything and maintain control. True This is why the U.S national team can't play with the big boys. (And I mean top 25 in the world rankings.) |
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Post by ball2futbol on Sept 16, 2020 13:03:09 GMT -5
Lets be honest, USSF doesn't really want the growth of youth soccer in the US. The bigger it gets the less control they have. They want to monetize everything and maintain control. Well said youth sports including collegiate athletics are about control, the price point on these licenses provides just another barrier of entry. |
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Post by Keeper on Sept 16, 2020 13:05:24 GMT -5
Fully agree with the above. Also, coaches have licenses (not badges). While licenses -just like experience- are excellent to have, they should also be more realistic in value or future return. License courses have gotten so ridiculously expensive that -unless a coach has DOC or pro league ambitions- he/she's more likely to opt out of an A or B license course. This is a big reason why we see many solid coaches only have a C or just D license, even though they may have been coaching for over a decade, thus far more experience than some younger ambitious coaches with higher licenses, or, former pro players who qualified to jump into a top license course despite having little or no coaching experience at all. And when it comes to coaching youth soccer (as opposed to college or pro or just adult), it's often like teaching in school. Having experience and kids of their own can often make them much more effective than younger coaches with a higher license. Again, not a rule, but in today's reality once should look at combination of both (license+experience) along with a track record in player development (where they started to where they got, not just winning records with talented teams). Let me show how far we are behind In Spain an A licence badge costs between 400-800$ In Germany the A licence costs between 500-900 In USA an A licence badge costs between 2000-4000 Actually in the USA the A license is $4000 now. That’s after $3000 for the B and for most $2000 for the C. But your comparison of price is right. But this is Merica where the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor. |
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Post by atlutd17 on Sept 16, 2020 15:50:35 GMT -5
Good luck to soccer in this country if it takes over 10k in total expenses for a coach to get from a D to an A or Pro license. That has to somehow change as I feel coaching education is hugely important.
Until that day comes and to a poster's point, maybe utilizing lower licensed but experienced coaches with a record is a better approach over the letter on the license, given the insane USSF course pricing combined with the automatic qualifications to the highest license courses of players just for playing pro, despite their lack of coaching background, experience or education.
And btw, UEFA does the same thing by favoring pro players over non pro players for the UEFA Pro diploma (very closed group indeed and need a special invite to get in). But overall, it's a far less expensive process to get your UEFA A, B or C.
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Post by Respect on Sept 16, 2020 20:27:02 GMT -5
If a kid can juggle the ball 50 times, he/she can certainly juggle as many times as he/she sets his/her goal to be. It just requires practice and dedication.
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Post by soccerallstar on Sept 16, 2020 23:00:37 GMT -5
Youth soccer in the US is A BUSINESS!!!
From the Federation to the clubs.
Coaches without certification will have a job as the demand is bigger than the amount of coaches that are willing to pay a lot of money and time on the certifications.
But at the end of the day having a certification doesn't mean you are a good coach and not having a certification doesn't mean you are a bad coach.
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