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Post by kidsocceruber on Sept 27, 2020 13:08:15 GMT -5
Anyone know if it's legal for a player to play down, say from ECNL or NPL to SCCL? Legal but frowned upon?
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 27, 2020 13:58:22 GMT -5
DA was the only league that may have allowed it (at younger ages).
U14 ECNL allows it in the spring, 2 U15 trap-year players can play on a U14 team per game.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Sept 27, 2020 14:00:30 GMT -5
I think the OP is asking about playing down in league not age group.
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Post by guerillaman on Sept 27, 2020 14:16:54 GMT -5
I don’t think there is anything in rules from stopping this from happening. The rules just state a rostered player at club level cannot play down on a premier team etc. no mention of other leagues etc.
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Post by atlsoccer on Sept 27, 2020 14:17:55 GMT -5
The system can be worked to make it legal in most cases. I would judge it on the reason it was done.
1) Does the team need a win and they are their best ECNL player? 2) Does the 17th ECNL player need the minutes? 3) Is the team really short players and the ECNL player plays limited minutes?
I am sure there are several more reasons, some good and some bad in my mind.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Sept 27, 2020 14:59:11 GMT -5
I do not believe officially rostered ECNL players can play down on SCCL or lower teams...not sure about USYS teams though since ECNL & SCCL are USYS.
Keep in mind a lot of clubs around are on their second year of uniforms. So, it is entirely possible a player played ECNL last year and is not this year. They will still have the ECNL patch on their uniform, but they are no longer an ECNL player.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 27, 2020 16:43:50 GMT -5
Ah right, was tired. Long weekend.
I believe SCCL expressly forbids ECNL players feom playing in SCCL or SCCL club players from playing in SCCL Premier. I'm not sure if NPL factors into that.
But should a player be demoted between seasons, they should be required to remove or at least cover the previous year patches. Not sure how often players are demoted Mid- season, not many clubs i could see doing that.
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Post by kidsocceruber on Sept 27, 2020 16:46:01 GMT -5
Question was regarding same age group, lower team for the club. Not going to get into details since it doesn't really matter and not trying to cause a public stink about it but was seeing if anyone actually knew. The SCCL rules do not talk about players from outside SCCL just within so it's at best a grey area I guess.
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Post by Keeper on Sept 27, 2020 21:16:12 GMT -5
Anyone know if it's legal for a player to play down, say from ECNL or NPL to SCCL? Legal but frowned upon? Well to answer your question yes it’s “legal” as ECNL and NPL and SCCL are all different and equal in league status. There’s no pyramid to say you can’t as all three are different leagues so it’s like comparing apples and oranges. In SCCL you can’t play a Club2Club level player down in Premier. There’s nothing saying that a club can’t “dual” roster a player on an ECNL and SCCL team. In ECNL, a player can’t play down on an ECRL team, but an ECRL Player can play up to ECNL. This is what clubs want with no promotion/relegation all these leagues are considered equal and don’t have a hierarchy. Unlike the GaSoccer/USYS pyramid of Rec to Classic to GPL to NL Piedmont and up.
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Post by mistergrinch on Sept 27, 2020 21:35:20 GMT -5
I've seen at least two local clubs do this in years past.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Sept 28, 2020 8:25:53 GMT -5
I've seen at least two local clubs do this in years past. On the girls side, UFA and Atlanta Fire are repeat offenders
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Post by blu on Sept 28, 2020 8:29:55 GMT -5
Keep in mind a lot of clubs around are on their second year of uniforms. So, it is entirely possible a player played ECNL last year and is not this year. They will still have the ECNL patch on their uniform, but they are no longer an ECNL player. I see this a lot and I don't think most parents understand it. Jerseys are expensive.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 28, 2020 8:31:26 GMT -5
I've seen at least two local clubs do this in years past. On the girls side, UFA and Atlanta Fire are repeat offenders We have been at UFA for a long time and have only seen a player play down twice a few years ago when UFA Norcross did not have enough players for one game due to injuries/absences. In that case NPL players played in an SCCL girls game. Given that DA players were not allowed to do this and it is very rare to have people do it anyway I am not sure where you get that info about UFA. Plus given arguments about the level of NPL vs SCCL it is a questionable statement to say they were playing down. NTH did do this in State Cup and in SCCL cup two years ago. It was a big argument on the forum at that time. AFU has been known to do it under the former director. Not sure since.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 28, 2020 10:23:32 GMT -5
On our AFU 2nd team we never had an ECNL player play down with us in 2 years. We pulled up from 3rd team several times (3 different players), pulled from the South branch a couple times (1 player), and pulled up from the U13 2nd (2 players) team a few times. So in my anecdotal experience it hasn't happened in the past 2 years. I haven't heard of it being done on the 2 age groups above us in the past 2 years.
I wouldn't doubt if the former president did this however. Different times and all.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 28, 2020 12:55:22 GMT -5
I know that SCCL-C level players can not play down into SCCL Premier levels. Also a player in SCCL-P1 can not go and also play on a team in SCCL- P2 through P4 not matter if the kid is playing up an age group or in their own age group. In SCCL a player can only play the same level Premier level or play up to a higher Premier level or Club level. Now whether or not ECNL, NPL, or GA Soccer players play on them is another question since the rules don't mention anything about those. I would assume it is legal unless the ECNL/NPL/GA Soccer rules don't allow it which to my knowledge I don't think there is any rules in those leagues to prevent it.
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Post by kidsocceruber on Sept 28, 2020 18:04:19 GMT -5
For anyone that cares, I did ask the SCCL directly and the response I got(Response is ECNL but I clarified that the same goes for NPL because US Club Soccer allows it)
The US Soccer bylaws don't allow us to prevent us from allowing people to register with the SCCL as long as they are age or gender appropriate. US Club Soccer (and US Youth Soccer ..ie Georgia Soccer) cannot prevent a player from playing on an ECNL team AND registering and playing on another team outside of ECNL.
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Post by Keeper on Sept 28, 2020 22:51:39 GMT -5
Exactly. All these leagues means that there’s no true pyramid.
Playing Ecnl vs SCCL or Ga Soccer is like playing HS under GHSA and playing ECNL. You can do both because it’s two different organizations.
Just like there’s no stopping a kid from say playing at Lanier on their MLS team and playing SCCL Premier at say Steamers. Hell the kid could hit the trifecta and then go play Classic 2 at Athens United. Or if a kid at UFA who plays ECNL could also go play NL Piedmont at Impact. And there’s nothing the clubs can do to stop it.
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Post by datrain on Sept 29, 2020 9:20:00 GMT -5
The other issue I have seen (especially with one U16 team) is sandbagging a former DA starter at SCCL-Premier 1 and having them player pass up to a SCCL Club team
Whatever it takes to win, right???
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