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Post by mistergrinch on Sept 29, 2020 18:47:46 GMT -5
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Post by bogan on Sept 29, 2020 18:53:00 GMT -5
Well, the first two paragraphs were good-then I hit the paywall. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 29, 2020 19:25:20 GMT -5
I bit the bullet and subscribed. $1 a month for the first 6 months.
Interesting piece - not much more than has been discussed here, but can’t imagine he’ll ever suit up for AU again
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“I made plenty of dumb decisions (in Atlanta),” Carleton said. “I tried to grow up and correct my wrongs and mature as a person, but a lot of those dumb decisions came from being mistreated or just a whole bunch of other stuff that we can get into a different day. I was struggling there off the field and kind of fell out of love with the game of soccer there and didn’t really enjoy it.”
“ “I was told that I wasn’t in the plans this next year,” Carleton said. “I was never in the plans from the start there in Atlanta, so it wasn’t really breaking news to me.”
Here’s my take.
Tata had no interest in dealing with playing a 15/16 year old. He wanted to play his guys, and rightfully so, his guys were and are better. Carleton had no chance of getting real mins.
And this also. He was in the 18 for a ton of games .
In the 18 but didn’t play. If he wasn’t meeting the team and coaches expectations why was he in the 18. Seems he was getting strung along.
Keep in mind when he signed - the dude was a top 5 player in his age group and destined for Europe. It’s kind of too bad - if he had a European passport he would have been in Europe and avoided the mls/usl thing completely.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 29, 2020 20:08:49 GMT -5
The problem here...when you're a professional, there is no "growing up". Either you're a professional or you're not (and growing up). My fault is not with Carleton, but a system where you're trying to put children (16-19) into a make-or-break-your-life/future situation. It's nonsense and the vast majority of young people would fail in that situation. We need college soccer to be better.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 29, 2020 20:22:34 GMT -5
The problem here...when you're a professional, there is no "growing up". Either you're a professional or you're not (and growing up). My fault is not with Carleton, but a system where you're trying to put children (16-19) into a make-or-break-your-life/future situation. It's nonsense and the vast majority of young people would fail in that situation. We need college soccer to be better. This is so true. |
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Post by soccernotfootball on Sept 29, 2020 22:03:16 GMT -5
The problem here...when you're a professional, there is no "growing up". Either you're a professional or you're not (and growing up). My fault is not with Carleton, but a system where you're trying to put children (16-19) into a make-or-break-your-life/future situation. It's nonsense and the vast majority of young people would fail in that situation. We need college soccer to be better. This is so true. Yes and no. For Carleton, everything I've read has nothing to do with the "system". He wasn't in school... was "home-schooled" so he could work with a trainer on top of playing club (and then DA). That's not the "system" - that's on the parents. And if you're afforded that kind of opportunity and everyone around you is working for you to "make it", you should already realize the exceptions and act with the professionalism that comes with it. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Sept 30, 2020 10:06:30 GMT -5
Yes and no. For Carleton, everything I've read has nothing to do with the "system". He wasn't in school... was "home-schooled" so he could work with a trainer on top of playing club (and then DA). That's not the "system" - that's on the parents. And if you're afforded that kind of opportunity and everyone around you is working for you to "make it", you should already realize the exceptions and act with the professionalism that comes with it. or, like so many top athletes, you realize that you're treated differently and become an entitled brat. You see this with top college football/basketball players all the time.. they've been getting special treatment since they were 10-11 years old, and they expect it. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 30, 2020 10:13:19 GMT -5
"And if you're afforded that kind of opportunity and everyone around you is working for you to "make it", you should already realize the exceptions and act with the professionalism that comes with it."
Sorry, but that is ridiculous. Its the brain of a 16-19 year old, and he's only 20 now. Carleton is just now becoming an adult, he's technically still a young man and cannot legally have a drink...its simple biology. They could have made him a well-paid slave and kept him at home, just go out to play the game then keep him sheltered the rest of the time.
There are SO MANY stories of young prodigies failing to continue success into adulthood and very few stories of true success. His best years may yet be ahead of him.
There's a reason car insurance premiums reduce at age 25, risk assessment.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 30, 2020 10:51:39 GMT -5
I can't watch this on my works VPN, they block twitch, so not sure if it can even be pulled up again.... gasoccerforum.com/thread/3905/long-conversation-tony-annanA lot of this conversation if I recall was about Bello and mistakes they made and have improved on. I'm assuming Carelton was being considered here as well. They admitted they didn't really have a good monitoring plan and/or transition for kids from the academy to the first team. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 30, 2020 11:26:05 GMT -5
"And if you're afforded that kind of opportunity and everyone around you is working for you to "make it", you should already realize the exceptions and act with the professionalism that comes with it." Sorry, but that is ridiculous. Its the brain of a 16-19 year old, and he's only 20 now. Carleton is just now becoming an adult, he's technically still a young man and cannot legally have a drink...its simple biology. They could have made him a well-paid slave and kept him at home, just go out to play the game then keep him sheltered the rest of the time. There are SO MANY stories of young prodigies failing to continue success into adulthood and very few stories of true success. His best years may yet be ahead of him. There's a reason car insurance premiums reduce at age 25, risk assessment. I wish I could like this more than once. I am not saying he (or his parents) were 100% blameless. Some kids are more mature younger than others. Some make it. Really, though, he is still a kid. Look at the stupid stuff that the pros do in other countries. Look at the stupid stuff college athletes do. Brains mature at 25. It is what it is |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 30, 2020 11:36:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not saying that it isn't possible to raise a young athlete to be a professional at a young age, look at Tiger and Wie, its just that they're the exceptions, not the rule. If you're going to do it, you really need to watch/oversee their emotional and maturity development very closely...and even then, they're going to make mistakes...its what young people do (I remember them well).
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Post by bogan on Sept 30, 2020 11:55:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not saying that it isn't possible to raise a young athlete to be a professional at a young age, look at Tiger and Wie, its just that they're the exceptions, not the rule. If you're going to do it, you really need to watch/oversee their emotional and maturity development very closely...and even then, they're going to make mistakes...its what young people do (I remember them well). I’m just glad there were fewer cameras around and no social media. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Sept 30, 2020 15:53:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not saying that it isn't possible to raise a young athlete to be a professional at a young age, look at Tiger and Wie, its just that they're the exceptions, not the rule. If you're going to do it, you really need to watch/oversee their emotional and maturity development very closely...and even then, they're going to make mistakes...its what young people do (I remember them well). Tiger did stupid stuff too.. just nothing too public until he was already rich. He also went to college (Stanford), not straight pro. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 30, 2020 19:39:06 GMT -5
Looks like he got one tonight. Been quiet the past few games.
Saw him with a cast earlier.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 1, 2020 16:52:32 GMT -5
never been a fan of the losing team having a man of the match, but in the USL I guess more than others, the league is just for fun and wining doesn't matter... but here ya go:
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Post by rifle on Oct 1, 2020 19:16:20 GMT -5
<snip>but in the USL I guess more than others, the league is just for fun and wining doesn't matter... |
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Post by bogan on Oct 1, 2020 19:44:07 GMT -5
<snip>but in the USL I guess more than others, the league is just for fun and wining doesn't matter... You know, they just play for the love of the game... |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 2, 2020 8:32:33 GMT -5
Yes and no. For Carleton, everything I've read has nothing to do with the "system". He wasn't in school... was "home-schooled" so he could work with a trainer on top of playing club (and then DA). That's not the "system" - that's on the parents. And if you're afforded that kind of opportunity and everyone around you is working for you to "make it", you should already realize the exceptions and act with the professionalism that comes with it. I get where you're coming from and you make a valid point, I also agree with most of what atlfutboldad said also, since the frontal cortex doesn't fully develop till 25. With that said, I can say he was afforded the opportunity by the grace of his parents and their sacrifices. I liken his journey to that of a Preacher's Kid, who is sheltered for most of their life. Once they get out of the shadow of their parents they go wild. So could that be what occurred to him? Could making the sacrifices for soccer(proms, dates, dances, sleepovers, etc.) be coming back to haunt him or force him to explore those experiences he missed out on? Plus, less we forget, soccer in the US for the most part is an expensive optional activity and most who are serious about it are striving for college. Unlike our counterparts in other countries, it's not a life or death situation. I can bring up examples like Lukaku returning home one day to catch his mother pouring the used milk from his cereal bowl back into the milk jug, or Danny Alves sleeping with his dad in the bus terminal bathroom. That leaves an imprint on you that brings a level of fire and a drive that most middle class kids living in suburbia just can't relate to. The moment Tata signed and started bringing in his own signees, I knew he was doomed. Hopefully, moving to Indy for a fresh start will revitalize his career and kick open some doors to prolong his career. p.s. Every kid who wants to go pro should watch videos like this - |
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Post by atv on Oct 3, 2020 17:58:39 GMT -5
Professionalism was one issue the other thing mentioned several times and often overlooked is the guy just wasn’t mature physically. The talent was always there, yes, but physically he was very small, petite and needed to hit the weight room and put on muscle mass. *******************
“He's still very young. I think physically and as a professional, he has to improve. His quality, there is no doubt about it,” de Boer told reporters at a media availability when asked about Carleton.
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