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Post by gkparent on Oct 6, 2020 11:31:37 GMT -5
Coaches and managers received the following email on 9/17. It helps clarify who enters yellow and red cards. All info previously sent was conflicting with managers vs refs entering. Once received, our team went back and entered yellow cards received but not noted in gotsoccer.
A few reminders to send on to you all from the SCCL:
1) Week #2 and we're not exactly sitting high and dry in Georgia right now --- Please remember that it is the responsibility of the home team to communicate your club's field status. This includes moving games to alternate fields or venues. Please let your opponents know about postponements as soon as possible...do NOT wait until just an hour ahead of time!
2) It is also the responsibility of the home team to enter the score and all misconduct either team was charged with. Please do this within 48 hr of the game. If your game card has the name of the referee, please include it in the notes.
3) Rescheduling requests (with the exception of weather related postponements) must be made with a minimum of seven days notice. Remember you need to communicate reschedules with your league's scheduler as well.
4) A reminder regarding Club Pass rules: Three (3) players are permitted to club pass on an higher level team at the same age group OR at the same level or higher level of play at an older age group. Five (5) players may be club passed at the U19 age group, but all of the previously stated rules are still in effect. SCCL Club level players are NEVER permitted to use a club pass to play with a Premier level team.
Nancy Marsden
SCCL Administrator
nancy@southeasternccl.com
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Post by sailingaway on Oct 6, 2020 19:46:02 GMT -5
@slickdaddy... Great thank you for the details. One last question, so how would someone (ref or otherwise) know if a Club player attempted to (or had already) played down? Is there anything on the player card which denotes someone being a Club Level player? I could see programmatically keeping that from happening via GotSoccer, but curious when it came to write-ins because at that point you’d only have the player pass in which to validate and restrict that downward movement from happening. (Right?) That's a good question. I really don't know because the US Club Soccer player passes are not very descriptive as far as showing what team they play on, etc... I would think for hard written ones gotsoccer.com would prevent that from happening, though I don't know if that has been tested or not. Hand written is going to be hard to figure out one way or the other. I guess if a referee or the other team believes something nefarious has happened they could protest the game to the SCCL admins to let them investigate. You are correct though it would be very hard to detect a higher level SCCL player playing down on lower teams if the kid is hand written onto the game card. The only way I could see is an investigation after the fact. I hope most clubs are being honest about not doing that. I know my son's team does not use illegal players like that and only has 3 teams they can pull guest players on that would have qualified players that could play with them. Now you could get around the rules a little bit. Say a team didn't have enough kids full time to always cover a game and always needs 3 club pass players but a higher level team had 18-20 kids on their roster. A club could simply roster 2-3 kids on the lower P level team (even if they never even trained with the lower team) and they could play with them and Club Pass to the higher team. I have no doubt there are clubs that do stuff like that and that is legal to do. Observation: SCCL-P is absolutely no better than Georgia Soccer was. I personally don't see any difference at all. Yes, club passes can be handwritten in. No, there is zero way to check anything other than birth year on the player card IF they even bother to look at the player cards. Which I can tell you has happened 25% of our games so far this season. Also, if club passes are handwritten in then they will not be on both game cards the refs use, it's a mess. If club passes are completed electronically then you know they are legit, written in and its a crap shoot who is actually on the field. Good luck out there! |
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Post by Keeper on Oct 7, 2020 0:27:34 GMT -5
That's a good question. I really don't know because the US Club Soccer player passes are not very descriptive as far as showing what team they play on, etc... I would think for hard written ones gotsoccer.com would prevent that from happening, though I don't know if that has been tested or not. Hand written is going to be hard to figure out one way or the other. I guess if a referee or the other team believes something nefarious has happened they could protest the game to the SCCL admins to let them investigate. You are correct though it would be very hard to detect a higher level SCCL player playing down on lower teams if the kid is hand written onto the game card. The only way I could see is an investigation after the fact. I hope most clubs are being honest about not doing that. I know my son's team does not use illegal players like that and only has 3 teams they can pull guest players on that would have qualified players that could play with them. Now you could get around the rules a little bit. Say a team didn't have enough kids full time to always cover a game and always needs 3 club pass players but a higher level team had 18-20 kids on their roster. A club could simply roster 2-3 kids on the lower P level team (even if they never even trained with the lower team) and they could play with them and Club Pass to the higher team. I have no doubt there are clubs that do stuff like that and that is legal to do. Observation: SCCL-P is absolutely no better than Georgia Soccer was. I personally don't see any difference at all. Yes, club passes can be handwritten in. No, there is zero way to check anything other than birth year on the player card IF they even bother to look at the player cards. Which I can tell you has happened 25% of our games so far this season. Also, if club passes are handwritten in then they will not be on both game cards the refs use, it's a mess. If club passes are completed electronically then you know they are legit, written in and its a crap shoot who is actually on the field. Good luck out there! Totally disagree. Having players registered through USClub and Sportsengine has been so much better then the make it up as you go Ga Soccer and SportsAffinity. With USClub every player has to be uploaded into their system and have their birth certificate documents verified (typically takes 3-5 days) before they are added to the roster and able to print a player pass. Ga Soccer all you had to do was enter a name, and DOB and boom on the roster and can play. Yes the current player passes don’t have the rostered team on them but so what? Every team and club had to go through strenuous interviewing and applications to be accepted. Some of us still believe in the honor system. Add in the $2000 for Premier & $5000 for C2C bonds that each club has to put up front why jeopardize that much money to play some random U16 in a U15 game, or C2C player in a Premier 2 game. I hate it but SCCL is better because I don’t have to worry about the random BS you’d see at KSA or the heck town middle Ga club that has home cooked Refs allowing anyone to play. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 7, 2020 12:45:35 GMT -5
I don't understand why all US Club leagues don't have players listed by team just like ECNL. Also, I don't know why game cards aren't uploaded (screen shot even instead of manually entered). Would make things so much simpler to find who should and shouldn't be playing where.
DA did a good job (from what I can tell) with box scores and keeping tally of top scorers, etc.
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Post by kidsocceruber on Oct 7, 2020 13:32:24 GMT -5
To underscore all this, we played a team with 3 of the same number jersey (easy to spot when all three were on the field at the same time) but only 2 were on the given roster. Who knows where that 3rd player even came from legal or not...Bending the rules to win is shady, breaking them is wrong, but if teams are not held accountable it'll just keep happening.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 7, 2020 13:43:39 GMT -5
Address it to your DoC. Both teams should have a copy of the other team's game sheet right?
Wouldn't surprise me if people were bringing their GA Soccer tendencies and practices to SCCL Premier. There should also be a max number of allowed games per day per player.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Oct 7, 2020 15:44:55 GMT -5
To underscore all this, we played a team with 3 of the same number jersey (easy to spot when all three were on the field at the same time) but only 2 were on the given roster. Who knows where that 3rd player even came from legal or not...Bending the rules to win is shady, breaking them is wrong, but if teams are not held accountable it'll just keep happening. They may very well could have been cheating, but I will tell you this, sometimes the club pass players do indeed have the same jersey # and there isn't anything that can be done about that. Also I know as far as SSA goes there are still 2 kids on my son's team that do not have their away blue jersey nor their training jersey even now because soccer.com is out of stock and Nike is dragging their feet at getting the stuff supplied to them so they can customize. Nike/Adidas etc.... all have had issues getting their jerseys etc... from Vietnam or wherever it is made and shipped back to the U.S. SSA isn't the only club having issues with getting everyone their uniforms either. So it could be that some of these players are having to wear old jerseys, borrowed jerseys etc... because they haven't gotten theirs in yet. |
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Post by Keeper on Oct 7, 2020 16:14:22 GMT -5
To underscore all this, we played a team with 3 of the same number jersey (easy to spot when all three were on the field at the same time) but only 2 were on the given roster. Who knows where that 3rd player even came from legal or not...Bending the rules to win is shady, breaking them is wrong, but if teams are not held accountable it'll just keep happening. They may very well could have been cheating, but I will tell you this, sometimes the club pass players do indeed have the same jersey # and there isn't anything that can be done about that. Also I know as far as SSA goes there are still 2 kids on my son's team that do not have their away blue jersey nor their training jersey even now because soccer.com is out of stock and Nike is dragging their feet at getting the stuff supplied to them so they can customize. Nike/Adidas etc.... all have had issues getting their jerseys etc... from Vietnam or wherever it is made and shipped back to the U.S. SSA isn't the only club having issues with getting everyone their uniforms either. So it could be that some of these players are having to wear old jerseys, borrowed jerseys etc... because they haven't gotten theirs in yet. Exactly! I think a lot of UFA still haven’t gotten their new Black and Grey kits from Lloyds due to shipping issues with Adidas. We played a group this past weekend wearing Yellow practice jerseys with numbers on them, while another team next to us wore the Red practice jerseys. So depending on the team they’re using what they have, and there’s no technical rule that specifies you can’t have the same number as another player. |
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Post by Keeper on Oct 7, 2020 16:14:53 GMT -5
Address it to your DoC. Both teams should have a copy of the other team's game sheet right? Wouldn't surprise me if people were bringing their GA Soccer tendencies and practices to SCCL Premier. There should also be a max number of allowed games per day per player. Pretty sure there is a max of two games per player per day. Straight from the SCCL rules webpage “ Club Pass Club Level Club pass may be used to assign up to three players to an older team. Club level players may not be passed onto any level of premier play. Premier Level Club pass may be used to assign up to three players except for 19U which can have five club pass players to: A higher-level team at the same age group (SCCL Club level is considered a higher-level team than any SCCL Premier Level team). Either the same or higher-level team at an older age group. Under no circumstances, may players ever be utilized on a lower or younger level team. Players may play a maximum of two games in one day.” southeasternccl.com/rules/ |
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Post by sailingaway on Oct 7, 2020 18:18:27 GMT -5
They may very well could have been cheating, but I will tell you this, sometimes the club pass players do indeed have the same jersey # and there isn't anything that can be done about that. Also I know as far as SSA goes there are still 2 kids on my son's team that do not have their away blue jersey nor their training jersey even now because soccer.com is out of stock and Nike is dragging their feet at getting the stuff supplied to them so they can customize. Nike/Adidas etc.... all have had issues getting their jerseys etc... from Vietnam or wherever it is made and shipped back to the U.S. SSA isn't the only club having issues with getting everyone their uniforms either. So it could be that some of these players are having to wear old jerseys, borrowed jerseys etc... because they haven't gotten theirs in yet. Exactly! I think a lot of UFA still haven’t gotten their new Black and Grey kits from Lloyds due to shipping issues with Adidas. We played a group this past weekend wearing Yellow practice jerseys with numbers on them, while another team next to us wore the Red practice jerseys. So depending on the team they’re using what they have, and there’s no technical rule that specifies you can’t have the same number as another player. We were told by the refs at one game that if jersey numbers were the same they could not be on the field at the same time. Also, it is generally pretty easy to temp change a jersey number with duct tape on the back: ex 7 can become 71 or 17. |
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Post by sailingaway on Oct 7, 2020 18:19:57 GMT -5
To underscore all this, we played a team with 3 of the same number jersey (easy to spot when all three were on the field at the same time) but only 2 were on the given roster. Who knows where that 3rd player even came from legal or not...Bending the rules to win is shady, breaking them is wrong, but if teams are not held accountable it'll just keep happening. Completely agree with holding accountable. It is the Wild West out there if not. |
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Post by Keeper on Oct 7, 2020 21:52:28 GMT -5
Exactly! I think a lot of UFA still haven’t gotten their new Black and Grey kits from Lloyds due to shipping issues with Adidas. We played a group this past weekend wearing Yellow practice jerseys with numbers on them, while another team next to us wore the Red practice jerseys. So depending on the team they’re using what they have, and there’s no technical rule that specifies you can’t have the same number as another player. We were told by the refs at one game that if jersey numbers were the same they could not be on the field at the same time. Also, it is generally pretty easy to temp change a jersey number with duct tape on the back: ex 7 can become 71 or 17. Just another example of Refs not knowing the real laws and rules of the game. Like the old no metal studs rule that never existed. Or how subbing at any stoppage has been on the books for Academy aged games for 3 years now. |
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Post by kidsocceruber on Oct 7, 2020 22:09:41 GMT -5
To underscore all this, we played a team with 3 of the same number jersey (easy to spot when all three were on the field at the same time) but only 2 were on the given roster. Who knows where that 3rd player even came from legal or not...Bending the rules to win is shady, breaking them is wrong, but if teams are not held accountable it'll just keep happening. They may very well could have been cheating, but I will tell you this, sometimes the club pass players do indeed have the same jersey # and there isn't anything that can be done about that. Also I know as far as SSA goes there are still 2 kids on my son's team that do not have their away blue jersey nor their training jersey even now because soccer.com is out of stock and Nike is dragging their feet at getting the stuff supplied to them so they can customize. Nike/Adidas etc.... all have had issues getting their jerseys etc... from Vietnam or wherever it is made and shipped back to the U.S. SSA isn't the only club having issues with getting everyone their uniforms either. So it could be that some of these players are having to wear old jerseys, borrowed jerseys etc... because they haven't gotten theirs in yet. That may be, but shouldn't it be reflected on the game card pertaining to the original topic here of writing in a player on there? If the players jersey isn't in yet by October and been borrowing one since September, wouldn't you try to edit that jersey knowing you already had one, or in this case two, players with the same number already out there by duct taping a 1 or a 7 on it and reflecting that on the game card? Maybe the team manager was being lazy and it wasn't nefarious, but the game card was still wrong and makes opposing teams question it best case. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 8, 2020 16:07:41 GMT -5
Is it legal for players on the game sheet to be handwritten in? I thought all leagues starting at u13: SCCL, ecnl, NL, Athena..... all require players to be in the official game system and gamesheet 🤷🏻♂️Ask Ben Olsen of DC United... Seriously-they are supposed to be but if the coaches agreed then... Tried to ask Ben but alas he's been shown the Boot(pun intended) - www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/10/08/ben-olsen-fired/ |
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Post by bogan on Oct 8, 2020 16:08:17 GMT -5
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Post by bogan on Oct 8, 2020 18:43:30 GMT -5
From what I’ve read, the folks in DC love Ben the person-and hope he continues in some capacity with the club-but felt he was the coach for way too long. |
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