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Post by bogan on Oct 6, 2020 5:35:02 GMT -5
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 7, 2020 7:34:43 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 7, 2020 7:36:51 GMT -5
I'd be surprised to see Bello in the 5 stripes next season. I'm not savy with transfers and time tables etc, so maybe it has to wait until next summer, but the kid will move on to bigger and better things.
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Post by justwatching on Oct 7, 2020 7:55:35 GMT -5
Curious on others opinions as I have mine on the subject. With the end to DA this year many people have commented that US Soccer "failed" and "couldn't figure it out" when it came to the DA programming. Articles like this and many others show a lot more Americans getting opportunities abroad, specifically in Europe over the last 5 to 10 years. In people's opinions can this be attributed to the existence of DA in the US for boys soccer? I know a player like Dest doesn't fit in here because he grew up outside of the states and DA but I would be willing to bet the vast majority of young players over there matriculated through DA programs. So, was DA successful or not (not talking about it from the business model standpoint)?
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Post by bogan on Oct 7, 2020 8:18:39 GMT -5
Curious on others opinions as I have mine on the subject. With the end to DA this year many people have commented that US Soccer "failed" and "couldn't figure it out" when it came to the DA programming. Articles like this and many others show a lot more Americans getting opportunities abroad, specifically in Europe over the last 5 to 10 years. In people's opinions can this be attributed to the existence of DA in the US for boys soccer? I know a player like Dest doesn't fit in here because he grew up outside of the states and DA but I would be willing to bet the vast majority of young players over there matriculated through DA programs. So, was DA successful or not (not talking about it from the business model standpoint)? For me it’s hard to say-wasn't around long enough. I would say, DA or no, American football is much better now than it was 25 years ago or even 10 years ago and DA was a part of it. If done right, the MLS league has a good shot at surpassing DA...but it’s going to take a while to say for sure. Having watched (and played against) German academies/clubs-we still have a ways to go. Corporate funding could help IMHO. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 7, 2020 8:25:37 GMT -5
Curious on others opinions as I have mine on the subject. With the end to DA this year many people have commented that US Soccer "failed" and "couldn't figure it out" when it came to the DA programming. Articles like this and many others show a lot more Americans getting opportunities abroad, specifically in Europe over the last 5 to 10 years. In people's opinions can this be attributed to the existence of DA in the US for boys soccer? I know a player like Dest doesn't fit in here because he grew up outside of the states and DA but I would be willing to bet the vast majority of young players over there matriculated through DA programs. So, was DA successful or not (not talking about it from the business model standpoint)? One article I read attributed the young Americans' successes to DA. However I don't know that it matters what we call it or who runs it as long as the best players have a league to play in that puts them against other top players. Also the ability to play up is essential. I think that MLS academies seem to have more patience with the players' development so they don't just sit a kid down after a few mistakes. I think this allows the players to learn more. So I think it is a combination that DA played a part in, but we can make even better with time. |
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Post by justwatching on Oct 7, 2020 13:46:30 GMT -5
Curious on others opinions as I have mine on the subject. With the end to DA this year many people have commented that US Soccer "failed" and "couldn't figure it out" when it came to the DA programming. Articles like this and many others show a lot more Americans getting opportunities abroad, specifically in Europe over the last 5 to 10 years. In people's opinions can this be attributed to the existence of DA in the US for boys soccer? I know a player like Dest doesn't fit in here because he grew up outside of the states and DA but I would be willing to bet the vast majority of young players over there matriculated through DA programs. So, was DA successful or not (not talking about it from the business model standpoint)? One article I read attributed the young Americans' successes to DA. However I don't know that it matters what we call it or who runs it as long as the best players have a league to play in that puts them against other top players. Also the ability to play up is essential. I think that MLS academies seem to have more patience with the players' development so they don't just sit a kid down after a few mistakes. I think this allows the players to learn more. So I think it is a combination that DA played a part in, but we can make even better with time. I do agree that the league in itself likely was not any secret sauce but the collection of the "best" kids along with the format was the biggest factors to having success. Those things allowed DA to achieve "better" players or better equipped players to go abroad. I think this can be replicated through another platform like MLS Next or perhaps with modifications to ECNL. The 10 month training time and some of the regulated club standards for club selection (e.g. coaching licenses, type of play, etc.) did have a positive affect on the development of the kids overall so I guess that's where I see the benefits from the actual league. Overall, if you have a platform at the club level or league level to put a collection of top kids together consistently for training (4 X per week 10 months a year) and games those kids get significant benefit. Which is where I see value in what DA was providing as a platform. I think that also helped the output which is more kids getting a shot outside of the states. Those kids were still very behind once they got to these European clubs but better than they were many years ago. |
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Oct 11, 2020 16:06:20 GMT -5
Curious on others opinions as I have mine on the subject. With the end to DA this year many people have commented that US Soccer "failed" and "couldn't figure it out" when it came to the DA programming. Articles like this and many others show a lot more Americans getting opportunities abroad, specifically in Europe over the last 5 to 10 years. In people's opinions can this be attributed to the existence of DA in the US for boys soccer? I know a player like Dest doesn't fit in here because he grew up outside of the states and DA but I would be willing to bet the vast majority of young players over there matriculated through DA programs. So, was DA successful or not (not talking about it from the business model standpoint)? No - don't blame DA. The issue is that MLS is NOT a top class destination for youth players because it does not have promotion or relegation.... The quality of soccer is at odds with the owners that have invested not for the love of the game - but to make money. As a result they need to protect their investment. Can you imagine being relegated out of MLS? Where/who the hell would you play??? |
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Post by bogan on Oct 11, 2020 18:56:35 GMT -5
“Can you imagine being relegated out of MLS? Where/who the hell would you play???“
If we had a system like most, the second tier. I know-not gonna happen here...
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Post by justwatching on Oct 11, 2020 20:26:42 GMT -5
Curious on others opinions as I have mine on the subject. With the end to DA this year many people have commented that US Soccer "failed" and "couldn't figure it out" when it came to the DA programming. Articles like this and many others show a lot more Americans getting opportunities abroad, specifically in Europe over the last 5 to 10 years. In people's opinions can this be attributed to the existence of DA in the US for boys soccer? I know a player like Dest doesn't fit in here because he grew up outside of the states and DA but I would be willing to bet the vast majority of young players over there matriculated through DA programs. So, was DA successful or not (not talking about it from the business model standpoint)? No - don't blame DA. The issue is that MLS is NOT a top class destination for youth players because it does not have promotion or relegation.... The quality of soccer is at odds with the owners that have invested not for the love of the game - but to make money. As a result they need to protect their investment. Can you imagine being relegated out of MLS? Where/who the hell would you play??? When I posed the question it was with the intention of saying more players going to European clubs as a good thing not that it was bad because they didn't go MLS. I think most all soccer people see players going to Europe as a better soccer achievement than staying in the states. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 11, 2020 20:50:43 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Oct 12, 2020 9:13:06 GMT -5
Will American owners want to call EPL winner World Champs too?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 14, 2020 7:28:05 GMT -5
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