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Oct 10, 2020 20:56:33 GMT -5
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Post by bogan on Oct 10, 2020 20:56:33 GMT -5
“2 players I scouted and fought like hell to get into the USWNT team rosters Not easy no matter how good they were , as the coaches at all the age groups had a settled roster and where on World Cup cycles etc Very short sighted as I’m sure more talented players were overlooked . Not every US Soccer Federation DA scout was as vocal as me” Philip Burns
[players were Catarina Macario and Mia Fishel-I believe both from Surf].
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 10, 2020 21:06:48 GMT -5
Catarina Macario just became a US citizen (this week?) and could not play for the full USWNT until FIFA changed the rules this year. She was called into camp but is still not eligible until FIFA rules on her eligibility.
She is an awesome talent!
One thing about the college players though is that they seem to struggle at first. They can't quite play at the speed of the pros initially. I hope Macario is on the Olympics squad, though as an attacking mid I don't know if she is better than Lavelle. Plus there are only 16 field players on the Olympic roster. I definitely think some of the older players may be left out and should be for the Olympics. It is time for some young kids to get out there. I feel like we need younger players at defense more than attacking positions.
As an aside I think it is fantastic that Lavelle, Mewis, Heather, Press and Morgan went to England. I think it will give them more minutes and more experience than the limited NWSL seasons.
awesome that Press and Heath's jerseys outsold Man U men last week. Pretty cool!
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 18, 2021 21:23:50 GMT -5
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Post by s on Aug 5, 2021 18:33:19 GMT -5
Julie Fowdy kept speaking of age ever since Sweden destroyed this team. 2 of 3 top players thru this tournament were Lloyd and Rapinoe. Other then Sauerbraughn the older players were not the problem. The belief playing half staffed inferior teams leading up to a major tournament was the problem.A coach has to make tough decisions and put a starting lineup out there and not this 1a 1b, to not upset anyone
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 6, 2021 8:09:13 GMT -5
Julie Fowdy kept speaking of age ever since Sweden destroyed this team. 2 of 3 top players thru this tournament were Lloyd and Rapinoe. Other then Sauerbraughn the older players were not the problem. The belief playing half staffed inferior teams leading up to a major tournament was the problem.A coach has to make tough decisions and put a starting lineup out there and not this 1a 1b, to not upset anyone Additionally, I get the feeling that Vlatko isn't as tough, original and independent minded as Jill Ellis was with the team. I know it's tough to follow a very successful coach, but I fear he may trying to use Jill's playbook, which may have been relevant 1, 3, 5 years ago but may need to be revamped or even scrapped to suit the current landscape we are in. The world is making major strides to catch up, and it doesn't help that we train quite a few of these foreign players in our colleges and in the NWSL. Again, just my 2 1/2 cents...
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 6, 2021 9:36:58 GMT -5
US's only advantage right now is depth, most other countries don't have the player pool to grab from. They can build a team with their top 11 players that can compete and win a world cup. But we all know, you need players 12-23 to win a world cup. Players get hurt, players pick up multiple yellows, players are just off their game. We can go to our bench and replace a quality player with a quality player.
That gap is closing though, but that right now it is our only advantage. As i mentioned, the dutch's top 3 players to me are better than any american who played in the Olympics. Those 3 women are studs and complement each other perfectly. All 3 are soccer players vs just physical specimens that are bigger stronger faster than the opponents.
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Post by mamadona on Aug 6, 2021 11:06:36 GMT -5
Sweden has 10 million people. The US has 300 million. That's 30 times as many people to choose from. But in Sweden on the plus side, there might be less competition from other sports. We don't really do lacrosse, softball (or football). I grew up playing soccer in Sweden. It was inexpensive and fun. I have no idea if it's still like that. Probably not. But probably not as money driven as here.
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Post by atv on Aug 6, 2021 11:17:28 GMT -5
For the Olympics, I think Vlatko returned 17 players from the previous World Cup. Right now there is an “entrenched group” that has been there at least 5-years and they may be a tad bit complacent.
IMO, we need more young, rising talent constantly pushing the veterans. The US National Team should always be in a state of change, ever evolving. I absolutely love Berhalter’s two team system. Genius. More competition to hold your spot while giving visibility and exposure to both young rising talent and veterans vying for another shot.
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Post by 04gparent on Aug 6, 2021 11:23:26 GMT -5
Sweden has 10 million people. The US has 300 million. That's 30 times as many people to choose from. But in Sweden on the plus side, there might be less competition from other sports. We don't really do lacrosse, softball (or football). I grew up playing soccer in Sweden. It was inexpensive and fun. I have no idea if it's still like that. Probably not. But probably not as money driven as here. Girls soccer focused: I cant believe I am going to say this, but we all need to understand this point. The success or failure of the national team can not be boiled down to one thing. A larger population does that guarantee success. Nor should a larger population create expectations that we should win. It doesnt take a large population to build a great 25 person team. I would argue that a larger population and greater landmass is actually harder to scout. I believe the European countries have a GREAT advantage for the following reasons: 1) Less land mass and leagues to scout talent. 2) Better funding from Ages 3 to 18 due larger amount of the professional clubs 3) Soccer is already in the cultural fabric. Just one man's opinion.
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Post by ball2futbol on Aug 6, 2021 11:24:13 GMT -5
US's only advantage right now is depth, most other countries don't have the player pool to grab from. They can build a team with their top 11 players that can compete and win a world cup. But we all know, you need players 12-23 to win a world cup. Players get hurt, players pick up multiple yellows, players are just off their game. We can go to our bench and replace a quality player with a quality player. That gap is closing though, but that right now it is our only advantage. As i mentioned, the dutch's top 3 players to me are better than any american who played in the Olympics. Those 3 women are studs and complement each other perfectly. All 3 are soccer players vs just physical specimens that are bigger stronger faster than the opponents. What advantage is depth if you don’t actually use it to your advantage. Just watched two current ncaa athletes literally carry Canada in the second half and et, then literally win a gold medal for their country.
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Post by atv on Aug 6, 2021 11:33:19 GMT -5
the Sweden vs Canada result is surprising
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USWNT
Aug 6, 2021 11:41:41 GMT -5
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Aug 6, 2021 11:41:41 GMT -5
For the Olympics, I think Vlatko returned 17 players from the previous World Cup. Right now there is an “entrenched group” that has been there at least 5-years and they may be a tad bit complacent. IMO, we need more young, rising talent constantly pushing the veterans. The US National Team should always be in a state of change, ever evolving. I absolutely love Berhalter’s two team system. Genius. More competition to hold your spot while giving visibility and exposure to both young rising talent and veterans vying for another shot. Agreed. It's no different than any other sport - team wins a championship, they're told how great they are, complacency sets in some and they lose out to hungrier teams the next season. It's why you see so few repeat champions. In women's soccer, there are really only 2 trophies that truly matter - the World Cup and the Olympics. The only team to have won those 2 titles consecutively: the U.S. in 96 (Olympics) and 99 (WC). Interestingly, of the 15 total champions crowned between the Olympics and World Cup, the U.S. has won 8 of them. Next closest countries: Germany (3) and Norway (2).
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Aug 6, 2021 15:37:38 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 6, 2021 15:37:38 GMT -5
Sweden has 10 million people. The US has 300 million. That's 30 times as many people to choose from. But in Sweden on the plus side, there might be less competition from other sports. We don't really do lacrosse, softball (or football). I grew up playing soccer in Sweden. It was inexpensive and fun. I have no idea if it's still like that. Probably not. But probably not as money driven as here. The less competition from other sports is a big deal, I think. The majority of the youth players today have to chose a sport to specialize in pretty young. Most kids play the sport(s) their parents played. Most of the kids on my kids' teams, past and present, have at least one parent that played soccer for at least a few years. I introduced my kids to a few sports since I played several, but it was very hard to deal with the overlap like basketball for 2-4 weeks in the fall and same in the spring. It is hard logistically and physically. My younger one had muscle pulls every season she tried to play both soccer and basketball 🙁. She gave up basketball but could have given up soccer instead like I have seen many do.
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Post by fridge on Aug 6, 2021 16:02:15 GMT -5
I'll repeat what I wrote earlier on a different strand.
US Men showed heart and grit and huge work rate in Gold Cup. US Woman did not. I think talent is important, but when the world is/has caught up, which it has, we need more players who are talented AND have heart/grit/work rate to elevate to the next level.
I can spot MOST girl's who have gone to several USWNT youth camps a mile away. They go down easy looking for fouls. If they don't get the foul, they stay down while the play continues. When they lose the ball, it's someone else's problem and don't chase. If they don't connect on a pass, it's the other kid's fault. Their work rate is low. They can play great 3 v 3 soccer and can score 8 goals against the lower tier clubs, but don't elevate in big games. They play essentially an entitlement game. For example, one of the top mid fielders who appears to be "next" plays in the ACC. I have never seen her sprint or go into a 50/50 tackle. Yes, she has a great touch and is really good at dumping off passes here and there. We saw our youth's lack of tenacity at the last national woman's youth tournament (which this player was the quarterback of the middle)--I think it was the woman's U-18 or 20 team which got knocked out early in the tournament with an abysmal showing leading Mark Carr to scoot on to U of Oklahoma. Bottom line, the criteria needs to change especially as the talent evens out world wide. Playing pretty girl easy peasy soccer against Grenada does not work against Sweden.
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USWNT
Aug 6, 2021 18:53:46 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 6, 2021 18:53:46 GMT -5
It’s all good - Canada is my squad! Wow. Just watched that game.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 6, 2021 19:43:47 GMT -5
I'll repeat what I wrote earlier on a different strand. US Men showed heart and grit and huge work rate in Gold Cup. US Woman did not. I think talent is important, but when the world is/has caught up, which it has, we need more players who are talented AND have heart/grit/work rate to elevate to the next level. I can spot MOST girl's who have gone to several USWNT youth camps a mile away. They go down easy looking for fouls. If they don't get the foul, they stay down while the play continues. When they lose the ball, it's someone else's problem and don't chase. If they don't connect on a pass, it's the other kid's fault. Their work rate is low. They can play great 3 v 3 soccer and can score 8 goals against the lower tier clubs, but don't elevate in big games. They play essentially an entitlement game. For example, one of the top mid fielders who appears to be "next" plays in the ACC. I have never seen her sprint or go into a 50/50 tackle. Yes, she has a great touch and is really good at dumping off passes here and there. We saw our youth's lack of tenacity at the last national woman's youth tournament (which this player was the quarterback of the middle)--I think it was the woman's U-18 or 20 team which got knocked out early in the tournament with an abysmal showing leading Mark Carr to scoot on to U of Oklahoma. Bottom line, the criteria needs to change especially as the talent evens out world wide. Playing pretty girl easy peasy soccer against Grenada does not work against Sweden. R u speaking of Jaelin Howell? I have seen her play many ACC games. It is interesting because the announcers always gush about her. She is smart and seems to find great passes and scores herself when it counts, but I don't see a big difference between her and many other ACC midfielders. She is good, but the team around her is also amazing so I have a hard time seeing how much is her and how much is the team around her. Your statement calling the youth national team kids soft I cannot say that I agree with. I do not think that they are entitled or feel like the mistakes are always their teammates etc. I don't feel like the USWNT lacks grit either, but it is hard to stay up for every game and every tournament. Everyone lacks focus at times including the best players in the world. I have seen Messi and Ronaldo both play flat. Were they complacent during the Olympics? Probably. They had a 44 game streak without a loss. Hard to blame them. The men's team has had some grit, but let's not forget that they have also been a mess for a while. We have a good group now to be excited about. I hope they qualify for the World Cup and get deeper into the tournament than I have seen them do in my lifetime.
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Aug 9, 2021 8:20:56 GMT -5
Post by fridge on Aug 9, 2021 8:20:56 GMT -5
No, I'm talking about the girl from Duke.
As for the actual USWNT, I won't argue that they have some grit especially in Ernst. I meant lack of grit and entitlement type soccer for the up an comers. Federation needs to change their assessments of who they are inviting into the youth camps consistently.
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Sept 15, 2021 11:33:39 GMT -5
Post by ball2futbol on Sept 15, 2021 11:33:39 GMT -5
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Sept 15, 2021 13:13:23 GMT -5
Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Sept 15, 2021 13:13:23 GMT -5
After seeing her up close for the Red Stars last month, I think it's great that Pugh is back. She was easily the best player on the field (it was during the Olympics).
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Post by ball2futbol on Nov 27, 2021 11:03:26 GMT -5
Made it to the 70th minute before dozing off, watching a youthful USWNT vs Australia. By that time it was well under control with a roster full of new talented players! Hope the trend continues.
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Post by atlutd17 on Nov 27, 2021 18:39:34 GMT -5
True but let's not get caught asleep at the wheel. We do have a problem in development.
UEFA has started pouring money last few years, incentives, and all kinds of resources to the associations, and grassroots programs.
It has a bold structure to protect clubs and reward development over winning, because they see the value in investing into women's/girls youth just as they've done with the men/boys in the past.
Women's soccer is growing exponentially in Europe. WUCL in euros had quadrupled, big clubs are now involved as well as legit youth academies. It won't reach or come close to the men's numbers but the growth of the women's game is real and continues.
In contrast, USSF does not seem to see the value in investing in youth player development or to have the ability to do so.
I think reality will strike when the USWNT faces top European sides next couple years and in the 2023 WC, and as more women play globally results will start to resemble those on the USMNT side.
With today's business of winning at all costs in youth soccer and monopolies, only USSF has the power to fix today's mess in the grassroots, by finding ways to reward player development and to protect those clubs who do. If there is any hope it's them.
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Nov 27, 2021 18:50:15 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Nov 27, 2021 18:50:15 GMT -5
True but let's not get caught asleep at the wheel. We do have a problem in development. UEFA has started pouring money last few years, incentives, and all kinds of resources to the associations, and grassroots programs. It has a bold structure to protect clubs and reward development over winning, because they see the value in investing into women's/girls youth just as they've done with the men/boys in the past. Women's soccer is growing exponentially in Europe. WUCL in euros had quadrupled, big clubs are now involved as well as legit youth academies. In contrast, USSF does not seem to see the value in investing in youth player development or to have the ability to do so. I think reality will strike when the USWNT faces top European sides next couple years and in the 2023 WC, and as more women play globally results will start to resemble those on the USMNT side. With today's business of winning at all costs in youth soccer and monopolies, only USSF has the power to fix today's mess in the grassroots, by finding ways to reward player development and to protect those clubs who do. If there is any hope it's them. Is it likely that will USSF (MLS) will change anything about women’s soccer? I suspect not.
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Post by atlutd17 on Nov 27, 2021 18:57:36 GMT -5
True but let's not get caught asleep at the wheel. We do have a problem in development. UEFA has started pouring money last few years, incentives, and all kinds of resources to the associations, and grassroots programs. It has a bold structure to protect clubs and reward development over winning, because they see the value in investing into women's/girls youth just as they've done with the men/boys in the past. Women's soccer is growing exponentially in Europe. WUCL in euros had quadrupled, big clubs are now involved as well as legit youth academies. In contrast, USSF does not seem to see the value in investing in youth player development or to have the ability to do so. I think reality will strike when the USWNT faces top European sides next couple years and in the 2023 WC, and as more women play globally results will start to resemble those on the USMNT side. With today's business of winning at all costs in youth soccer and monopolies, only USSF has the power to fix today's mess in the grassroots, by finding ways to reward player development and to protect those clubs who do. If there is any hope it's them. Is it likely that will USSF (MLS) will change anything about women’s soccer? I suspect not. I have no faith in the MLS when it comes to youth player development, when they can pick any player and even a youth club apart at no cost to them. Half the owners have proven with their actions they don't believe in youth academies. Fortunately Atlanta United is one of the good guys and invests with its academies. Only when we have a federation capable of leading soccer in this country, and professional clubs have to start compensating youth academies for the recruited players they develop, we'll have hope.
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Nov 27, 2021 19:32:34 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Nov 27, 2021 19:32:34 GMT -5
Amen
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Post by atlutd17 on Nov 28, 2021 16:03:48 GMT -5
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Post by baller84 on Nov 28, 2021 16:29:58 GMT -5
UEFA has money. CONCACAF can not fund USSF and other national associations the way UEFA does with its associations in Europe, but I get the point. Not sure CONCACAF would fund them like that either, even if they could. Below is a link with an interesting article touching on what's happened here when pay-to-play, politics, short term profits/greed through market manipulation methods hurt the well being of the sport those soccer businesses are supposed to serve: www.linkedin.com/pulse/pay-to-play-how-youth-soccer-became-big-business-what-chris-hummer Quoting its very last sentence, my favorite: " Ironically, the key to reducing pay-to-play might actually be U.S. Soccer spending more money at the top, while enabling even more professionalization in the form of clearly-defined payment systems to reward non-professional youth clubs that are good at developing players. The resulting clarity in both a truly elite pathway, and creation of a marketplace that would sort out the charlatans, would actually help a vast majority of parents save thousands of dollars per year and keep a lot more kids closer to home every weekend."
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Nov 30, 2021 13:52:46 GMT -5
Post by atlutd17 on Nov 30, 2021 13:52:46 GMT -5
Spot on. Painful but brutally honest.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 22, 2022 9:11:54 GMT -5
Looks like the end of this infighting may be at hand... from The Athletic
The 28 U.S. women’s national team players who sued U.S. Soccer for pay discrimination in 2019 have reached a proposed settlement with the federation on Tuesday morning. U.S. Soccer has agreed to pay $22 million in back pay as direct compensation to the players as part of the resolution of the long legal dispute, which goes back to a 2016 complaint filed to the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.
The federation will also put an additional $2 million into a fund dedicated to players’ post-playing careers and charitable endeavors, for a total of $24 million. Each player will be able to apply for up to $50,000 from this fund. The players will also be in charge of proposing how the $22 million payment will be distributed between them, subject to final approval by the court.
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Feb 23, 2022 7:13:12 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Feb 23, 2022 7:13:12 GMT -5
I’m curious how the new CBA will be structured. For the women and men.
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USWNT
Feb 23, 2022 9:02:48 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 23, 2022 9:02:48 GMT -5
Yea, not sure how the nwsl will be sustainable if US soccer isn't paying their salaries anymore.
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