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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 12, 2020 11:24:43 GMT -5
You can make most people happy, hold the session you as the coach are contracted to hold. If the player/parent/customer decide they need the night off, that’s their right. But as an contracted employee, the coaches need to be held accountable. I see this is your first rodeo... Unfortunately, kids can't miss practice without penalty. A coach is responsible for the well-being of the team, not just executing a certain number of activities. Sometimes a mental health night off is the right answer for the big picture. Have a nice weekend. What makes you think it is their first rodeo? Soccer first could be put soccer first. The poster said they were a coach. Did not sound to me like it is a new coach that is in the first season. Mental health is important. No doubt. Coaches are responsible for the well being of the team. They are also responsible for developing the players they have. Constant cancelation of practice is not a good thing. Why do we schedule practices on Mondays if it is thought to be necessary to give them a recovery day? Personally I think that we should not cancel Monday practices unless we are traveling after playing and played two games and even then it depends on the situation. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 12, 2020 11:47:59 GMT -5
I see this is your first rodeo... Unfortunately, kids can't miss practice without penalty. A coach is responsible for the well-being of the team, not just executing a certain number of activities. Sometimes a mental health night off is the right answer for the big picture. Have a nice weekend. What makes you think it is their first rodeo? Soccer first could be put soccer first. The poster said they were a coach. Did not sound to me like it is a new coach that is in the first season. Mental health is important. No doubt. Coaches are responsible for the well being of the team. They are also responsible for developing the players they have. Constant cancelation of practice is not a good thing. Why do we schedule practices on Mondays if it is thought to be necessary to give them a recovery day? Personally I think that we should not cancel Monday practices unless we are traveling after playing and played two games and even then it depends on the situation. Look - don't want to argue the details. The main point I'm trying to make, looking back on a lifetime of high level soccer through multiple generations, is that some of the decisions we made in the heat of the moment - or things that got us worked up - seem pretty silly now. Too many family activities missed (weddings, reunions, trips) for marginally beneficial soccer activities. To each his/her own, but keep the big picture in mind. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 12, 2020 11:58:07 GMT -5
Agree that you should not miss a wedding, notable graduation, or important family event for youth soccer. An exception may be an important soccer activity (national championship for example). That could be seen as creating equally formative memories IMO.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Nov 12, 2020 13:24:19 GMT -5
As you can imagine, since I posed the question, I disagree. We are a U14 team, and most of the players on the team play less than 60% of each game. So, I don't really see a Monday session at this time of year as an issue after a single game on Saturday & the same on Sunday. If it were a tournament, or even games in 85-90+ degree heat, I could understand. I'm not looking at a rigorous conditioning session, but I do believe something should be done...especially given that rain is in the forecast and more than likely fields will be closed later in the week. Relating this back the the initial conversation, I would suggest parents also try to determine how a coach feels about training on rainy days or when fields are closed. Does he/she look for indoor space, hold Zoom sessions to review various aspects of recent games, or just cancel and say "see you at the next practice". So did you have practice on Monday? No, we did not. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 12, 2020 13:49:59 GMT -5
What makes you think it is their first rodeo? Soccer first could be put soccer first. The poster said they were a coach. Did not sound to me like it is a new coach that is in the first season. Mental health is important. No doubt. Coaches are responsible for the well being of the team. They are also responsible for developing the players they have. Constant cancelation of practice is not a good thing. Why do we schedule practices on Mondays if it is thought to be necessary to give them a recovery day? Personally I think that we should not cancel Monday practices unless we are traveling after playing and played two games and even then it depends on the situation. Look - don't want to argue the details. The main point I'm trying to make, looking back on a lifetime of high level soccer through multiple generations, is that some of the decisions we made in the heat of the moment - or things that got us worked up - seem pretty silly now. Too many family activities missed (weddings, reunions, trips) for marginally beneficial soccer activities. To each his/her own, but keep the big picture in mind. Perspective is important. You could argue the same thing about high school grades and a lot of other things before adulthood (and into adulthood). Both my spouse and my older brother were not exemplary students despite the fact they are both super intelligent. They both went to college and had fun there with mediocre grades. Both are successful guys that like their jobs and are good at them. Neither used their college degree to obtain their jobs (neither of them has a job that requires a degree, both in the tech business). Yet my oldest child curses and cries with every grade that is not up to her high standards (yet to ever see a B on a report card). Dreams are dreams. Kids are going to have them and our job is to help them while hopefully keeping things in perspective. That being said I would like them to train when they are supposed to train the majority of the time. I paid for those training sessions. I am ok with an occasional night off but every Monday off is too much! THankfully we generally make those up, but I know many do not |
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Post by SoccerFirst on Nov 14, 2020 8:10:09 GMT -5
You can make most people happy, hold the session you as the coach are contracted to hold. If the player/parent/customer decide they need the night off, that’s their right. But as an contracted employee, the coaches need to be held accountable. I see this is your first rodeo... Unfortunately, kids can't miss practice without penalty. A coach is responsible for the well-being of the team, not just executing a certain number of activities. Sometimes a mental health night off is the right answer for the big picture. Have a nice weekend. My first rodeo, many people on this thread probably have a good idea who I am, bc I’m a coach that makes every sacrifice for my team and my club/school. If being a former Gwinnett player, age 5-18, then played DI, meanwhile I volunteered to coach boys and girls rec through high school and I have been coaching select/academy for 12 years and high school for 8, not to mention my other former club roles, rec director, scheduler... then yes I guess you could say it is my first rodeo. I know more about how coaches and clubs work and think than 90% of parents, just saying... and my advice to parents is ALWAYS the same, you and your child are the paying customer, if your expectation isn’t being met, speak up, “don’t suffer in silence.” If you were paying that much money for a meal, would you allow the waiter to bring you the wrong order? Shoot, when I order my $5 cup of coffee at Starbucks it better be right ; ) I agree, coaches need to look out for the health and well-being of their players, and that’s why I give recovery sessions, for example, light jog, dynamic stretch, LONG static stretch, soccer ball massage (rolling the soccer ball on major muscle groups) then some fun soccer tennis. Not a paid day off for coach. Commitment and dedication are just two qualities I hope to instill in my children and my players, and that doesn’t start with taking a day off because “I just don’t feel like it.” I tell all my players, keep in mind I’m dealing with teenage girls, “I know you are going to have bad days, you’re in high school and right now emotions/feelings run on high 24hrs a day. I also know while I’m your coach over the next 4 years you might find yourself mentally and emotionally exhausted, and as a result you might not feel like you can give me and your team 100%, you might only have 85% to give us that day and that’s ok... but you better give me 100% of the 85 you have to give.” (My expectation as the coach, bc I give my players nothing less) If you want to allow your child to settle for a mediocre coach, that’s your choice, but I believe the only reason parents would allow it is because they have accepted it as the norm. I can’t tell you from experience, there are bad coaches, good coaches and sometimes, sometimes you get lucky and find a coach that just gets your kid, knows how to talk, teach and get through to them and as a parent you get to watch them flourish as a player and person. Personal experience shows me, once you’ve had a coach like this, you as a parent will do whatever you can to keep that coach or hold the next coach to the same standard. As a player, I experienced all 3. I had some good coaches, I had a couple bad ones, but I had two exceptional coaches. 1 of them was my dad, and the other was Gregg Tavani. He was a young 22 year old kid at the time, but Gregg has gone from being my coach to my mentor and friend. Many of the qualities I have as a coach I credit to my dad and Coach Gregg. If your kid hasn’t had the opportunity to play for a coach they love, keep shopping. Oh, and did I mention I have degrees in athletic training too. I’m off to Starbucks, where you know I’ll leave a satisfied customer. Have a great weekend! |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 14, 2020 12:35:10 GMT -5
I see this is your first rodeo... Unfortunately, kids can't miss practice without penalty. A coach is responsible for the well-being of the team, not just executing a certain number of activities. Sometimes a mental health night off is the right answer for the big picture. Have a nice weekend. My first rodeo, many people on this thread probably have a good idea who I am, bc I’m a coach that makes every sacrifice for my team and my club/school. If being a former Gwinnett player, age 5-18, then played DI, meanwhile I volunteered to coach boys and girls rec through high school and I have been coaching select/academy for 12 years and high school for 8, not to mention my other former club roles, rec director, scheduler... then yes I guess you could say it is my first rodeo. I know more about how coaches and clubs work and think than 90% of parents, just saying... and my advice to parents is ALWAYS the same, you and your child are the paying customer, if your expectation isn’t being met, speak up, “don’t suffer in silence.” If you were paying that much money for a meal, would you allow the waiter to bring you the wrong order? Shoot, when I order my $5 cup of coffee at Starbucks it better be right ; ) I agree, coaches need to look out for the health and well-being of their players, and that’s why I give recovery sessions, for example, light jog, dynamic stretch, LONG static stretch, soccer ball massage (rolling the soccer ball on major muscle groups) then some fun soccer tennis. Not a paid day off for coach. Commitment and dedication are just two qualities I hope to instill in my children and my players, and that doesn’t start with taking a day off because “I just don’t feel like it.” I tell all my players, keep in mind I’m dealing with teenage girls, “I know you are going to have bad days, you’re in high school and right now emotions/feelings run on high 24hrs a day. I also know while I’m your coach over the next 4 years you might find yourself mentally and emotionally exhausted, and as a result you might not feel like you can give me and your team 100%, you might only have 85% to give us that day and that’s ok... but you better give me 100% of the 85 you have to give.” (My expectation as the coach, bc I give my players nothing less) If you want to allow your child to settle for a mediocre coach, that’s your choice, but I believe the only reason parents would allow it is because they have accepted it as the norm. I can’t tell you from experience, there are bad coaches, good coaches and sometimes, sometimes you get lucky and find a coach that just gets your kid, knows how to talk, teach and get through to them and as a parent you get to watch them flourish as a player and person. Personal experience shows me, once you’ve had a coach like this, you as a parent will do whatever you can to keep that coach or hold the next coach to the same standard. As a player, I experienced all 3. I had some good coaches, I had a couple bad ones, but I had two exceptional coaches. 1 of them was my dad, and the other was Gregg Tavani. He was a young 22 year old kid at the time, but Gregg has gone from being my coach to my mentor and friend. Many of the qualities I have as a coach I credit to my dad and Coach Gregg. If your kid hasn’t had the opportunity to play for a coach they love, keep shopping. Oh, and did I mention I have degrees in athletic training too. I’m off to Starbucks, where you know I’ll leave a satisfied customer. Have a great weekend! Everything that you said here is 100% accurate. I can't identify you based on your comments here but if you actually do all that you say here (including your comments about teenage girls and their emotions) then I say you are a special coach. We have had some bad coaches (gave up on teams or sat kids on the sidelines at young academy ages for ENTIRE games without disciplinary reasons), some blah ones (no feedback to the players, boring practices), and some fantastic ones that just "got" my kids. We have learned (probably a tad too late) to move clubs when we run into a bad one or even a blah one. I try to be patient with coaches as they are people too and make mistakes, but when my kids feel beat down or unmotivated or disliked by their coach then I have stepped in to change their environment. Unfortunately special coaches are few and far between so sometimes I will settle for an occasional cancelled Monday so that I can have everything else. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 18, 2020 16:59:09 GMT -5
I see this is your first rodeo... Unfortunately, kids can't miss practice without penalty. A coach is responsible for the well-being of the team, not just executing a certain number of activities. Sometimes a mental health night off is the right answer for the big picture. Have a nice weekend. My first rodeo, many people on this thread probably have a good idea who I am, bc I’m a coach that makes every sacrifice for my team and my club/school. If being a former Gwinnett player, age 5-18, then played DI, meanwhile I volunteered to coach boys and girls rec through high school and I have been coaching select/academy for 12 years and high school for 8, not to mention my other former club roles, rec director, scheduler... then yes I guess you could say it is my first rodeo. I know more about how coaches and clubs work and think than 90% of parents, just saying... and my advice to parents is ALWAYS the same, you and your child are the paying customer, if your expectation isn’t being met, speak up, “don’t suffer in silence.” If you were paying that much money for a meal, would you allow the waiter to bring you the wrong order? Shoot, when I order my $5 cup of coffee at Starbucks it better be right ; ) I agree, coaches need to look out for the health and well-being of their players, and that’s why I give recovery sessions, for example, light jog, dynamic stretch, LONG static stretch, soccer ball massage (rolling the soccer ball on major muscle groups) then some fun soccer tennis. Not a paid day off for coach. Commitment and dedication are just two qualities I hope to instill in my children and my players, and that doesn’t start with taking a day off because “I just don’t feel like it.” I tell all my players, keep in mind I’m dealing with teenage girls, “I know you are going to have bad days, you’re in high school and right now emotions/feelings run on high 24hrs a day. I also know while I’m your coach over the next 4 years you might find yourself mentally and emotionally exhausted, and as a result you might not feel like you can give me and your team 100%, you might only have 85% to give us that day and that’s ok... but you better give me 100% of the 85 you have to give.” (My expectation as the coach, bc I give my players nothing less) If you want to allow your child to settle for a mediocre coach, that’s your choice, but I believe the only reason parents would allow it is because they have accepted it as the norm. I can’t tell you from experience, there are bad coaches, good coaches and sometimes, sometimes you get lucky and find a coach that just gets your kid, knows how to talk, teach and get through to them and as a parent you get to watch them flourish as a player and person. Personal experience shows me, once you’ve had a coach like this, you as a parent will do whatever you can to keep that coach or hold the next coach to the same standard. As a player, I experienced all 3. I had some good coaches, I had a couple bad ones, but I had two exceptional coaches. 1 of them was my dad, and the other was Gregg Tavani. He was a young 22 year old kid at the time, but Gregg has gone from being my coach to my mentor and friend. Many of the qualities I have as a coach I credit to my dad and Coach Gregg. If your kid hasn’t had the opportunity to play for a coach they love, keep shopping. Oh, and did I mention I have degrees in athletic training too. I’m off to Starbucks, where you know I’ll leave a satisfied customer. Have a great weekend! I agree with much of what you say and don't want to argue. My only comment, going through the process as a parent will give you another perspective. Like you, I have been in many roles - player, coach, referee, and parent. Until you have been all four roles, you don't have complete perspective on how the game impacts life, both good and bad. I have watched coaches change (often for the better) once their own kids start playing, because they better understand how they communicate can be interpreted / misunderstood by parents. There are some things that only a parent can say to a child - some coaches aren't aware of that boundary (same for some teachers and school administrators). It's sometimes hard to understand until you're on the other side... It sounds like you are committed to your craft, so I wish you well. |
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Post by SoccerFirst on Nov 18, 2020 21:12:38 GMT -5
My first rodeo, many people on this thread probably have a good idea who I am, bc I’m a coach that makes every sacrifice for my team and my club/school. If being a former Gwinnett player, age 5-18, then played DI, meanwhile I volunteered to coach boys and girls rec through high school and I have been coaching select/academy for 12 years and high school for 8, not to mention my other former club roles, rec director, scheduler... then yes I guess you could say it is my first rodeo. I know more about how coaches and clubs work and think than 90% of parents, just saying... and my advice to parents is ALWAYS the same, you and your child are the paying customer, if your expectation isn’t being met, speak up, “don’t suffer in silence.” If you were paying that much money for a meal, would you allow the waiter to bring you the wrong order? Shoot, when I order my $5 cup of coffee at Starbucks it better be right ; ) I agree, coaches need to look out for the health and well-being of their players, and that’s why I give recovery sessions, for example, light jog, dynamic stretch, LONG static stretch, soccer ball massage (rolling the soccer ball on major muscle groups) then some fun soccer tennis. Not a paid day off for coach. Commitment and dedication are just two qualities I hope to instill in my children and my players, and that doesn’t start with taking a day off because “I just don’t feel like it.” I tell all my players, keep in mind I’m dealing with teenage girls, “I know you are going to have bad days, you’re in high school and right now emotions/feelings run on high 24hrs a day. I also know while I’m your coach over the next 4 years you might find yourself mentally and emotionally exhausted, and as a result you might not feel like you can give me and your team 100%, you might only have 85% to give us that day and that’s ok... but you better give me 100% of the 85 you have to give.” (My expectation as the coach, bc I give my players nothing less) If you want to allow your child to settle for a mediocre coach, that’s your choice, but I believe the only reason parents would allow it is because they have accepted it as the norm. I can’t tell you from experience, there are bad coaches, good coaches and sometimes, sometimes you get lucky and find a coach that just gets your kid, knows how to talk, teach and get through to them and as a parent you get to watch them flourish as a player and person. Personal experience shows me, once you’ve had a coach like this, you as a parent will do whatever you can to keep that coach or hold the next coach to the same standard. As a player, I experienced all 3. I had some good coaches, I had a couple bad ones, but I had two exceptional coaches. 1 of them was my dad, and the other was Gregg Tavani. He was a young 22 year old kid at the time, but Gregg has gone from being my coach to my mentor and friend. Many of the qualities I have as a coach I credit to my dad and Coach Gregg. If your kid hasn’t had the opportunity to play for a coach they love, keep shopping. Oh, and did I mention I have degrees in athletic training too. I’m off to Starbucks, where you know I’ll leave a satisfied customer. Have a great weekend! I agree with much of what you say and don't want to argue. My only comment, going through the process as a parent will give you another perspective. Like you, I have been in many roles - player, coach, referee, and parent. Until you have been all four roles, you don't have complete perspective on how the game impacts life, both good and bad. I have watched coaches change (often for the better) once their own kids start playing, because they better understand how they communicate can be interpreted / misunderstood by parents. There are some things that only a parent can say to a child - some coaches aren't aware of that boundary (same for some teachers and school administrators). It's sometimes hard to understand until you're on the other side... It sounds like you are committed to your craft, so I wish you well. I am not much of an arguer either. I have 3 kids of my own and I wouldn't say anything to a player that I wouldn't say to my own kid at their age. As a coach it's hard to know how much homework each player on my team has, or if she has a big test coming up, or if she broke up with her boyfriend. I only know when my players open up to me, but that won't change how challenging my session will be or how long we go, that's to be expected. I tell my players it's their responsibility to fulfill their commitment to themselves and their team. Parents don't do their kids any favors by allowing them to miss 1 commitment for another, because the player didn't manage their time better. I had a U14 player call me and tell me she had to miss practice because she had too much homework, the next practice I had a meeting with the players and talked to them about time management and that school work is not an excuse to miss practice. If a player had too much work and felt like they couldn't get it done and come to practice, I told them they would have to sit out at practice to do their work. I didn't have another player miss for homework, and it only took one player sitting at practice working on her group project with 3 other people for them to realize I was serious. As a former division 1 STUDENT-athlete, school always comes first, but I never missed soccer because I was behind on my work, because I didn't get behind on my work. I also NEVER missed for a "mental health" day, because soccer is necessary for my mental health. I was the type of player that played through injury and illness, I was also back on the field coaching the day after I lost my dad unexpectedly. Soccer is much more to me than a game, it's my way of life, and I'm blessed to share that with my players. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Nov 19, 2020 12:48:26 GMT -5
I agree with much of what you say and don't want to argue. My only comment, going through the process as a parent will give you another perspective. Like you, I have been in many roles - player, coach, referee, and parent. Until you have been all four roles, you don't have complete perspective on how the game impacts life, both good and bad. I have watched coaches change (often for the better) once their own kids start playing, because they better understand how they communicate can be interpreted / misunderstood by parents. There are some things that only a parent can say to a child - some coaches aren't aware of that boundary (same for some teachers and school administrators). It's sometimes hard to understand until you're on the other side... It sounds like you are committed to your craft, so I wish you well. Once had a coach question my wife's parenting skills because our kid was a bit disrespectful to him... one look at her face and he turned tail and backed off FAST. He was kind of a shizat coach anyway. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 19, 2020 14:19:22 GMT -5
Parents don't do their kids any favors by allowing them to miss 1 commitment for another, because the player didn't manage their time better. ...that school work is not an excuse to miss practice. If a player had too much work and felt like they couldn't get it done and come to practice, I told them they would have to sit out at practice to do their work. Disagree entirely. Unless you're talking about professionals, the order should ALWAYS be 1-family, 2-school, 3-electives (like soccer, dating, etc). The first 2 are not elective, the last is. That's fine if soccer is your life, but for 95% of players, its not.
When 2 things are scheduled for the same day (funeral, wedding, graduation, soccer practice, soccer game) one of them has to give and it should always be the one with the least importance.
Now I get why there are so many stressed out parents and kids in youth soccer, and why the numbers keep dropping. Unless you're at Camp Nou or the like, this is woefully out of touch with reality.
I'd hope you're coaching a top team in a national league with those kinds of expectations.
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Post by flix on Nov 19, 2020 14:44:24 GMT -5
I agree with much of what you say and don't want to argue. My only comment, going through the process as a parent will give you another perspective. Like you, I have been in many roles - player, coach, referee, and parent. Until you have been all four roles, you don't have complete perspective on how the game impacts life, both good and bad. I have watched coaches change (often for the better) once their own kids start playing, because they better understand how they communicate can be interpreted / misunderstood by parents. There are some things that only a parent can say to a child - some coaches aren't aware of that boundary (same for some teachers and school administrators). It's sometimes hard to understand until you're on the other side... It sounds like you are committed to your craft, so I wish you well. Once had a coach question my wife's parenting skills because our kid was a bit disrespectful to him... one look at her face and he turned tail and backed off FAST. He was kind of a shizat coach anyway. I think coaches can question that. There are bunch of kids that are disrespectful to coaches and referees because of their home environment. Just like you can have the opinion he is a shizat coach, they have the right to their opinion on who is a shizat parent. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 19, 2020 14:57:12 GMT -5
But I wonder how often they question top players with bad attitudes parents' parenting skills. Its usually all relative to how good the player is. There are lots of really good players with really bad attitudes around the city.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Nov 19, 2020 15:13:13 GMT -5
Parents don't do their kids any favors by allowing them to miss 1 commitment for another, because the player didn't manage their time better. ...that school work is not an excuse to miss practice. If a player had too much work and felt like they couldn't get it done and come to practice, I told them they would have to sit out at practice to do their work. Disagree entirely. Unless you're talking about professionals, the order should ALWAYS be 1-family, 2-school, 3-electives (like soccer, dating, etc). The first 2 are not elective, the last is. That's fine if soccer is your life, but for 95% of players, its not.
When 2 things are scheduled for the same day (funeral, wedding, graduation, soccer practice, soccer game) one of them has to give and it should always be the one with the least importance.
Now I get why there are so many stressed out parents and kids in youth soccer, and why the numbers keep dropping. Unless you're at Camp Nou or the like, this is woefully out of touch with reality.
I'd hope you're coaching a top team in a national league with those kinds of expectations.
I think you're misunderstanding SoccerFirst's point. The key point they made was this: "because the player didn't manage their time better". They did not say that family events like funerals, weddings, etc. take a back seat to soccer. It was specifically about when a kid stays home from practice because of schoolwork. Which I happen to agree with - I think we all know that when a kid has to miss practice because of schoolwork, it wasn't because a massive amount of homework was dumped on them that very same day - it's almost always because the kid farted around doing things they wanted to do (iPad, TV, games, etc.) in the days leading up to practice, rather than doing their homework or studying for a test. And then when that homework is due or test is upon them but they have practice the night before, the kid has to miss practice because "school comes first". We all agree school should come first but in my example, it seems that screen time (of some variety) came first, then schoolwork, then soccer. If you're making a commitment to play club soccer, your kid needs to understand that they may have to forego some amount of screen time in order to make sure they take care of their schoolwork, which allows them to fully participate in soccer practices & games. |
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Post by bogan on Nov 19, 2020 16:04:32 GMT -5
‘“ I think you're misunderstanding SoccerFirst's point. The key point they made was this: "because the player didn't manage their time better".‘
I was THAT player...🤣
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Nov 19, 2020 16:16:17 GMT -5
‘“ I think you're misunderstanding SoccerFirst's point. The key point they made was this: "because the player didn't manage their time better".‘ I was THAT player...🤣 Are you kidding, I'm STILL that player!! LOL |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 19, 2020 17:17:51 GMT -5
Once had a coach question my wife's parenting skills because our kid was a bit disrespectful to him... one look at her face and he turned tail and backed off FAST. He was kind of a shizat coach anyway. I think coaches can question that. There are bunch of kids that are disrespectful to coaches and referees because of their home environment. Just like you can have the opinion he is a shizat coach, they have the right to their opinion on who is a shizat parent. But do you tell someone they are a shizat coach to their face? I have a number of coaches that I detest, but I don't tell them that to their face. Talk about having a little respect...geez! Walk in their shoes before you comment. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Nov 19, 2020 17:23:56 GMT -5
Once had a coach question my wife's parenting skills because our kid was a bit disrespectful to him... one look at her face and he turned tail and backed off FAST. He was kind of a shizat coach anyway. I think coaches can question that. There are bunch of kids that are disrespectful to coaches and referees because of their home environment. Just like you can have the opinion he is a shizat coach, they have the right to their opinion on who is a shizat parent. .. she was 7 and asked 'why? ' |
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Post by flix on Nov 19, 2020 18:04:32 GMT -5
I think coaches can question that. There are bunch of kids that are disrespectful to coaches and referees because of their home environment. Just like you can have the opinion he is a shizat coach, they have the right to their opinion on who is a shizat parent. .. she was 7 and asked 'why? ' Dude that sounds nothing like what you stated earlier. There’s no way I believe a coach made that comment because a 7 year old asked “why”. Also, just because they are 7 doesn’t mean they can’t be disrespectful. Im sure there is more to the story. |
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Post by papacoach on Nov 19, 2020 22:23:04 GMT -5
‘“ I think you're misunderstanding SoccerFirst's point. The key point they made was this: "because the player didn't manage their time better".‘ I was THAT player...🤣 My two cents in this nickel conversation.. A seasonal youth club coach telling a paying parent or any young player that 90-120 min soccer sessions overrides school studies or attempts to restricts where, when, how schoolwork is to be done let alone penalize/restrict game minutes due to missed practices from classroom obligations is a coach we can assume will have a short shelf life in coaching those player(s) involved beyond that moment/season/yr commitment essentially if those player(s) are my children. I can say, the conversation with the club director/club board won't be pleasant when I step in front of them as a seasoned, certified intentional educator. Success in the classroom lasts a lot longer than any sport and it's expiration date; even a college STUDENT/athlete now coaching youth soccer should relate to. I have yet hear or observe a coach tell us or others that missing practice due to classroom requirements has consequences on the pitch..Granted, we can't speak for the mass but near two decades involved with youth and adult sports... Educational reasons to miss youth sports sessions seems to be an excused absence even in High School/college sports. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Nov 20, 2020 9:05:39 GMT -5
.. she was 7 and asked 'why? ' Dude that sounds nothing like what you stated earlier. There’s no way I believe a coach made that comment because a 7 year old asked “why”. Also, just because they are 7 doesn’t mean they can’t be disrespectful. Im sure there is more to the story. I'm sure that you're sure... you're also wrong. Not sure he even still coaches. He was an ass and didn't like a kid questioning him. |
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Post by flix on Nov 20, 2020 9:28:20 GMT -5
Dude that sounds nothing like what you stated earlier. There’s no way I believe a coach made that comment because a 7 year old asked “why”. Also, just because they are 7 doesn’t mean they can’t be disrespectful. Im sure there is more to the story. I'm sure that you're sure... you're also wrong. Not sure he even still coaches. He was an ass and didn't like a kid questioning him. Ok bro, whatever you say. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 20, 2020 11:25:56 GMT -5
In terms of time management and schoolwork, I can report that sometimes the workload and timing is out of the player / student's control. My kids were in the hardest possible classes throughout. There were a number of times when there were in fact an overload of assignments given in a short time period. When that happens, it's an instructional coordination failure, not a player failure. When the choice is to miss practice or have your kid pull and all-nighter to accomplish randomly assigned school work, there is only one choice.
I'm not talking about long term projects or known assignments, but those times when teachers assign stuff at the last minute. It happens... Have plenty of pictures of my kids still in practice gear (one time even with shin guards) at midnight working on their homework.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 20, 2020 13:14:11 GMT -5
Would be awesome if MS/HS teachers gave out a syllabus at the beginning of the quarter or semester with when ALL tests/quizzes and assignments were due (and then stuck to it). Would be so much easier for kids to budget their time. Some college courses did this, its great. As it is, I'm so grateful for the teachers who are communicative with parents about each new unit starts and due dates and such. I'm also thankful for my kid's math teacher who at least lets parents know there is a test the next day.
My kid has missed more practices this fall than ever before for various reason (probably 7). Next fall will likely be a different story but we are likely changing teams (and clubs).
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 20, 2020 17:11:22 GMT -5
Would be awesome if MS/HS teachers gave out a syllabus at the beginning of the quarter or semester with when ALL tests/quizzes and assignments were due (and then stuck to it). Would be so much easier for kids to budget their time. Some college courses did this, its great. As it is, I'm so grateful for the teachers who are communicative with parents about each new unit starts and due dates and such. I'm also thankful for my kid's math teacher who at least lets parents know there is a test the next day.
My kid has missed more practices this fall than ever before for various reason (probably 7). Next fall will likely be a different story but we are likely changing teams (and clubs).
I completely agree with the schedule statement. One of her teachers gives a schedule out for one month in advance. It is subject to change but never doing things earlier than planned. I have actually asked my kid's other teachers to do a better job of this. They mostly give us 1 week notice for major projects now. It makes it easier. They should be doing this for ALL high school students. Some of the kids I know are big into theater and those rehearsal sessions are many hours long and they travel to compete as well. Football players and other athletes also have full schedules. These kids have to load up their schedules to compete for great colleges. The teachers should respect that and try to help them manage their time by giving them a plan. |
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Post by hawkfan on Nov 20, 2020 19:41:08 GMT -5
Lets blame the teacher...
There is a reason assignents are not posted a month in advance. Good teachers continually monitor student learning for mastery learning. This monitoring may indicate a need to speed up (kids picked it up faster than expected) or slow down (needs retaught and reinforced). Wonder why theres a teacher shortage (current research shows 50% of new teachers leave by the 5th year. Covid is projected to increase that to up to 75%. I am not sure who you think is going to be teaching when the large number of veteran 30 year teachers retire over the next couple of years. They all started when Atlanta's metro population exploded in the early 1990s. I have one question for you. Do you question your doctor's decisions? Teachers have professional degrees. Many of them with Masters, Ed S, Ed D and Ph Ds. Waiting for our teacher haters to sign up. We need many to join our field. It is an easy process. Google Georgia PROFESSIONAL Standards and find out how. Looking forward to you joining our PROFESSION so you can quit dissing your kids teachers!
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