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Post by soccerspin on Oct 26, 2020 10:52:29 GMT -5
I’ve seen this pop up time to time on the forum, but not sure it’s all been in one place so here it goes...
Coaching expectations outside of regular on-field training. What do parents expect in terms of the following and at what age and level (ECNL on down) should they occur?
Player evaluations (1 or 2 times a year?) Game review with team (when video is available) Homework assignments (via online videos or otherwise) Health and nutrition (probably falls in the homework bucket above) Other items?
Curious to know what other coaches and/or clubs are doing and at what age and level. For instance, I would think expectations for u10 academy would be different than u16 ECNL. And as mentioned on another thread, I think some coaches just naturally expect the players to seek out this information on their own, but many times it doesn’t happen (at least in part) because there’s no direction or guidance provided.
Personally I’m mostly interested in the older ages (u15 and up), but all responses are welcome as we have parents with players at all age groups (and levels) on this board. 🙂
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 26, 2020 11:04:01 GMT -5
My number 1 expectation is for the coach to be a good person and treat the players as people. I expect the coach to provide feedback to the player and attempt to correct deficits in their game. I expect BOTH positive and negative comments to the player to provide motivation and rewards. I expect them to get to know the player well enough to know their goals (are they just having fun and staying fit or do they want to get better and play at the next level whatever that is). I expect them to communicate with the parents 2 times per year via player evaluations (more at the younger ages). If there are skill deficits a recommendation for homework or trainers to focus on that would be expected.
Specifically for older, college bound players I expect a willingness to discuss the player's expectations/goals. Assistance with video clips (parent or service does clips, coach watches and says yeah or nay to the clips). Encourage/advise on nutrition and fitness and mental training would also be very helpful.
I expect someone who cares about the health, safety and mental well being of my player.
The club should provide overall advice and support for college recruiting for U15 and up players.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Oct 26, 2020 16:11:22 GMT -5
I agree with Oraclesfriend, the coach should be a good person and treat every player as a person. This should be a given. Additionally, I think the coach should care. Not about their paycheck, but about improving every player as both a person and a player.
As to the OP and their list: - Player evaluations should take place at the end of every season (twice a year for U14 & lower). - Game review should take place, if available, at least a couple times a season. Days training is cancelled due to rain are perfect days for this. - Homework assignments should be given by every coach no matter what age. They can be as simple as watching some game footage to working on ball skills or conditioning work. Training 2-3 times a week for higher level teams is just not enough IMO. - Health & nutrition should be something a coach references at the beginning of a season and reminds the players of from time to time. I am more talking about giving guidelines and allowing the players to make the choice of how they follow. Periodically remind them of certain guidelines, but that is all. There is no need to hover and constantly hound the players about it.
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Post by Shesakeeper on Oct 26, 2020 18:10:29 GMT -5
Agree with the previous posters, the best coaches are good people with the kids best interests at heart. I want them to truly care about my kid and his or her development, happiness and well-being. If that expectation is satisfied it goes a long way with forgiving some little flaws. I expect the coach to walk the fine line between being liked and being respected by the kids. If they are too soft, the kids won't respect his authority, too tough and they won't want to please him because they hate him lol. Get to know my kid, what they like and dislike, what their goals are, both in soccer and in the rest of their lives. As someone above said, I'd like my kid to hear both the positives and the negatives. Tell them what they did wrong, what they need to work on, but a well placed compliment goes a long way. Be fair, and explain decisions that may be misunderstood, especially at the older ages. Most coaches after a certain age (u13 or 14?) prefer communicating with the player only, which I love, but there are times when it's appropriate to loop the parents in. As far as evaluations go, I would love at least once per year, but my daughter is a u16 and has had TWO evaluations in her entire career. :/
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Post by bogan on Oct 26, 2020 18:18:40 GMT -5
Well first, he needs to take a daily walk on the water...
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 26, 2020 18:26:25 GMT -5
Well first, he needs to take a daily walk on the water... Amusing, but I do think being a good person and caring about the kids as people and getting to know them actually makes the other stuff happen automatically. The coaches that we have had that care about my kids also happen to be the ones that did evals, talked to them about their goals, encouraged them, pushed them to be their best including providing criticisms (sometimes a little harsh) and even communicated with parents.
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Post by bogan on Oct 26, 2020 18:54:19 GMT -5
I don’t disagree-a coach should like, no love, what s/he does-but we have to be realistic-most of these folks aren’t paid much...so I try to temper my expectations.
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Post by soccerloafer on Oct 27, 2020 16:57:33 GMT -5
1. Be objective and reasonable 2. Have a plan for the season, each training session, and each game 3. Be nice
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Post by soccerspin on Oct 29, 2020 7:52:43 GMT -5
1. Be objective and reasonable 2. Have a plan for the season, each training session, and each game 3. Be nice Wow, so thought this would be the bare minimum. But given this post and some of the others, I guess sadly some coaches must not even meet these expectations??? Appreciate all the posts. And to be clear, not asking coaches to do more than they are being paid to do. And perhaps some of the items should fall more at the club level (ie another club resource or bring in an outside company/consultant who could use it to gain potential clients for whatever service they offer) such as basic college guidance or even health and nutrition. Especially the latter as it very much affects your performance on the field. Even just one lesson at the start of each season would be beneficial and then it is incorporated as one of several reminders by the coach prior to each game. Just a thought.
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Post by atv on Nov 9, 2020 12:20:54 GMT -5
One thing about coaches is there is no consistency from year-to-year. Your player could have the best coach in the world one year. Great teacher, respectful, humble, nice ... you see improvements from week-to-week and win nearly every game. The next, year everything changes. You may get a complete a$$hole who thinks they are smarter than every coach before them, makes a lot of changes, and runs off some key players, all the while losing and creating a bad culture.
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Post by randomparent on Nov 9, 2020 12:58:06 GMT -5
I’ve seen this pop up time to time on the forum, but not sure it’s all been in one place so here it goes... Coaching expectations outside of regular on-field training. What do parents expect in terms of the following and at what age and level (ECNL on down) should they occur? Player evaluations (1 or 2 times a year?) Game review with team (when video is available) Homework assignments (via online videos or otherwise) Health and nutrition (probably falls in the homework bucket above) Other items? Curious to know what other coaches and/or clubs are doing and at what age and level. For instance, I would think expectations for u10 academy would be different than u16 ECNL. And as mentioned on another thread, I think some coaches just naturally expect the players to seek out this information on their own, but many times it doesn’t happen (at least in part) because there’s no direction or guidance provided. Personally I’m mostly interested in the older ages (u15 and up), but all responses are welcome as we have parents with players at all age groups (and levels) on this board. 🙂
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Post by rudy on Nov 9, 2020 16:44:23 GMT -5
Its easy to check. Most all clubs post a coaching list prior to tryouts. Do your homework. Reach out to members of the club and check a coaches reputation. The season before go watch some games or practices. Its really no secret how coaches act if you really look into it.
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Post by bogan on Nov 9, 2020 16:52:32 GMT -5
Its easy to check. Most all clubs post a coaching list prior to tryouts. Do your homework. Reach out to members of the club and check a coaches reputation. The season before go watch some games or practices. Its really no secret how coaches act if you really look into it. Assuming they don’t leave after tryouts (after you’ve signed your contract).
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Post by soccernoleuk on Nov 9, 2020 17:19:53 GMT -5
Here is a question. You play a game on Saturday, and another on Sunday (both morning games). Do you expect the coach to hold the scheduled practice on Monday evening or cancel it to give the players a break. Also, keep in mind there is rain in the forecast for a good portion of the week and Monday might be the only viable day to hold a training session for the week.
Just curious.
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Post by newposter on Nov 9, 2020 17:27:04 GMT -5
or had 4 coaches in one year...and not the one who was presented when position on team was accepted ad contract signed.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Nov 9, 2020 17:29:57 GMT -5
Practice on Monday definitely. Players at the upper ages can handle it especially with the projected weather this week. My kid would play 7 days a week if he could. Most elite teams have 4 days a week now with games Saturday and Sunday.
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Post by flix on Nov 9, 2020 17:57:03 GMT -5
Here is a question. You play a game on Saturday, and another on Sunday (both morning games). Do you expect the coach to hold the scheduled practice on Monday evening or cancel it to give the players a break. Also, keep in mind there is rain in the forecast for a good portion of the week and Monday might be the only viable day to hold a training session for the week. Just curious. I would expect the coach to cancel the practice, however, it also depends on the age group.
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 9, 2020 18:05:55 GMT -5
Here is a question. You play a game on Saturday, and another on Sunday (both morning games). Do you expect the coach to hold the scheduled practice on Monday evening or cancel it to give the players a break. Also, keep in mind there is rain in the forecast for a good portion of the week and Monday might be the only viable day to hold a training session for the week. Just curious. Hold practice but expect a light physical load. No conditioning or violent combat. Skills, tactical walk through, some light games.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Nov 9, 2020 18:21:24 GMT -5
Here is a question. You play a game on Saturday, and another on Sunday (both morning games). Do you expect the coach to hold the scheduled practice on Monday evening or cancel it to give the players a break. Also, keep in mind there is rain in the forecast for a good portion of the week and Monday might be the only viable day to hold a training session for the week. Just curious. I would expect the coach to cancel the practice, however, it also depends on the age group. As you can imagine, since I posed the question, I disagree. We are a U14 team, and most of the players on the team play less than 60% of each game. So, I don't really see a Monday session at this time of year as an issue after a single game on Saturday & the same on Sunday. If it were a tournament, or even games in 85-90+ degree heat, I could understand. I'm not looking at a rigorous conditioning session, but I do believe something should be done...especially given that rain is in the forecast and more than likely fields will be closed later in the week. Relating this back the the initial conversation, I would suggest parents also try to determine how a coach feels about training on rainy days or when fields are closed. Does he/she look for indoor space, hold Zoom sessions to review various aspects of recent games, or just cancel and say "see you at the next practice".
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Post by ecnlquestions on Nov 9, 2020 22:11:51 GMT -5
Here is a question. You play a game on Saturday, and another on Sunday (both morning games). Do you expect the coach to hold the scheduled practice on Monday evening or cancel it to give the players a break. Also, keep in mind there is rain in the forecast for a good portion of the week and Monday might be the only viable day to hold a training session for the week. Just curious. I think it depends on the type of games you have played at the weekend. Also, the results play a part. Our coach has given our team one Monday off this season and that was after two very good performances and tough games. With the weather forecast this week, I would expect most coaches to train unless the club has access to turf fields.
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Post by Keeper on Nov 9, 2020 22:52:23 GMT -5
Here is a question. You play a game on Saturday, and another on Sunday (both morning games). Do you expect the coach to hold the scheduled practice on Monday evening or cancel it to give the players a break. Also, keep in mind there is rain in the forecast for a good portion of the week and Monday might be the only viable day to hold a training session for the week. Just curious. How many training sessions are regularly scheduled each week? If just two, then no. If three, maybe depending on how the players are looking with injuries and typical end of season wear and tear.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 10, 2020 7:18:08 GMT -5
Here is a question. You play a game on Saturday, and another on Sunday (both morning games). Do you expect the coach to hold the scheduled practice on Monday evening or cancel it to give the players a break. Also, keep in mind there is rain in the forecast for a good portion of the week and Monday might be the only viable day to hold a training session for the week. Just curious. We started not having Monday trainings after two weekend games at U15. At the younger age groups they were only canceled after a tournament usually only if we went to the finals (so played 4 games in a weekend). At U15 we were at one club and older at another. Seemed to be a pretty widespread thing as all of our friends at other clubs have the same issue with Mondays canceled. I should mention these are high level teams. I have to admit I am not super happy about it. I will say that we have access to turf fields and usually train in the rain so we don't get a lot of other cancellations.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Nov 10, 2020 8:30:53 GMT -5
Here is a question. You play a game on Saturday, and another on Sunday (both morning games). Do you expect the coach to hold the scheduled practice on Monday evening or cancel it to give the players a break. Also, keep in mind there is rain in the forecast for a good portion of the week and Monday might be the only viable day to hold a training session for the week. Just curious. I would expect the coach to hold practice, even if the rest of the week had no rain in the forecast. But I'm sure there are some other circumstances where that situation would warrant canceling Monday practice, like if the Sunday game was out of town or if the team had played 2 or 3 weekends in a row of Sat/Sun games or if there were injuries that really shortened the bench. As a parent, I typically only like to see Monday practice cancelled after a tournament, especially if they make the championship game. This season our coach canceled a Monday practice after a weekend where the girls lost badly to two teams on both Sat & Sun. I didn't agree with it because the girls really wanted to get back out there and work. And sure enough, they held their own voluntary practice that Monday night.
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Post by SoccerFirst on Nov 12, 2020 0:38:10 GMT -5
Here is a question. You play a game on Saturday, and another on Sunday (both morning games). Do you expect the coach to hold the scheduled practice on Monday evening or cancel it to give the players a break. Also, keep in mind there is rain in the forecast for a good portion of the week and Monday might be the only viable day to hold a training session for the week. Just curious. Wow, I can’t believe that some paying customers (parents) would be ok with coaches canceling paid sessions without a plan to make up said session. Monday’s following a tournament or multi game weekend I always held a recovery session. My players/parents expected to train or have something scheduled on practice nights rain or shine. If fields were closed and weather was still bad, I’d go indoors, if indoor space was full I’d hold a film session. If their was no pending weather but fields remained closed due to accumulated rain, my teams met in the parking lot in sneakers for a session there. If there was no way to get something in that day, a make up session was scheduled. Not only did my families expect it, other members would know I’d be holding something and ask to join if their kid’s session was cancelled. Also my fellow coaches knew I was going to do everything to make good on my commitment bc they’d ask me to cover their team, pooling the session or if they could share indoor space. If you are wondering why coaches think it’s ok to cancel and not make up sessions or blow off evaluations it’s bc there is a lack of accountability. Also, someone made the comment about giving players the day off from practice because they played well... is practice a punishment for when they don’t play well? Why not have a fun session to reward the team, playing their favorite games... Growing up we had a Scottish trainer at our club that believed your hardest sessions should follow the best games you play to build off of the positive and push the players/team to the next level, and then had more laidback sessions following a tough loss bc he didn’t believe in kicking a player while he’s down. If parents have contracts with clubs, and the contract states 3 sessions per week and 2 evaluations per year, then as the paying customer I would expect the club/coach to make good on their commitment. I would also be a stickler on the length of session, if we are scheduled 5:30-7 and Coach continues to show up late or releases the team at 6:55 every night, I’d have some words. But I may or may not be that coach that loses track of time and keeps my teams 5minutes late... but can you blame me if I call, “next goal wins”, with 5 minutes left, gotta play until we have a winner!
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Nov 12, 2020 2:23:24 GMT -5
Here is a question. You play a game on Saturday, and another on Sunday (both morning games). Do you expect the coach to hold the scheduled practice on Monday evening or cancel it to give the players a break. Also, keep in mind there is rain in the forecast for a good portion of the week and Monday might be the only viable day to hold a training session for the week. Just curious. At the younger ages up to say Up to U13/14, I would say no. Even at the older ages, I believe a myriad of factors should still go into calling off the Monday practice. Depending on the age of the players, level/league the team plays in and the previous and future games, it might be a wise decision. I believe some call it periodization. During DA I know some clubs would do this, like UFA, with Monday either being outright cancelled or used as recovery with say Yoga, pool aerobics or Ju-Jit-Su. Other things you have to consider are upcoming games, the travel days and minutes played. Today, much of that is tracked in the pro academies with equipment like the STATs Sports Bra. The conventional sport science these days holds that, when you don't have enough time to rest and recover, you're more likely to aggravate a minor injury into a severe one. Here is an example of a schedule over 15 days where I would definitely rest my players on the 3rd Monday especially if they have games the following weekend: Mon: practice Tues: practice Wed: practice Thur: practice Fri: privates/video Sat: game Sun: game Mon: practice Tues: practice Wed: practice Thur: practice Fri: travel day Sat: game Sun: game Mon: OFF
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 12, 2020 8:39:44 GMT -5
Here is a question. You play a game on Saturday, and another on Sunday (both morning games). Do you expect the coach to hold the scheduled practice on Monday evening or cancel it to give the players a break. Also, keep in mind there is rain in the forecast for a good portion of the week and Monday might be the only viable day to hold a training session for the week. Just curious. Another answer - depends on your location in the journey: First kid, U10 Academy, let's practice in the lightning, have to get those touches in. Third kid, U16, let's take a day off and have family movie night and catch up on homework. Can't make everyone happy.
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Post by SoccerFirst on Nov 12, 2020 10:14:05 GMT -5
Here is a question. You play a game on Saturday, and another on Sunday (both morning games). Do you expect the coach to hold the scheduled practice on Monday evening or cancel it to give the players a break. Also, keep in mind there is rain in the forecast for a good portion of the week and Monday might be the only viable day to hold a training session for the week. Just curious. Another answer - depends on your location in the journey: First kid, U10 Academy, let's practice in the lightning, have to get those touches in. Third kid, U16, let's take a day off and have family movie night and catch up on homework. Can't make everyone happy. You can make most people happy, hold the session you as the coach are contracted to hold. If the player/parent/customer decide they need the night off, that’s their right. But as an contracted employee, the coaches need to be held accountable.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Nov 12, 2020 10:52:58 GMT -5
Another answer - depends on your location in the journey: First kid, U10 Academy, let's practice in the lightning, have to get those touches in. Third kid, U16, let's take a day off and have family movie night and catch up on homework. Can't make everyone happy. You can make most people happy, hold the session you as the coach are contracted to hold. If the player/parent/customer decide they need the night off, that’s their right. But as an contracted employee, the coaches need to be held accountable. your posts on this topic have me wanting my daughters to come play for you! Good to hear there are coaches like yourself out there.
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 12, 2020 11:17:46 GMT -5
Another answer - depends on your location in the journey: First kid, U10 Academy, let's practice in the lightning, have to get those touches in. Third kid, U16, let's take a day off and have family movie night and catch up on homework. Can't make everyone happy. You can make most people happy, hold the session you as the coach are contracted to hold. If the player/parent/customer decide they need the night off, that’s their right. But as an contracted employee, the coaches need to be held accountable. I see this is your first rodeo... Unfortunately, kids can't miss practice without penalty. A coach is responsible for the well-being of the team, not just executing a certain number of activities. Sometimes a mental health night off is the right answer for the big picture. Have a nice weekend.
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Post by flix on Nov 12, 2020 11:22:51 GMT -5
I would expect the coach to cancel the practice, however, it also depends on the age group. As you can imagine, since I posed the question, I disagree. We are a U14 team, and most of the players on the team play less than 60% of each game. So, I don't really see a Monday session at this time of year as an issue after a single game on Saturday & the same on Sunday. If it were a tournament, or even games in 85-90+ degree heat, I could understand. I'm not looking at a rigorous conditioning session, but I do believe something should be done...especially given that rain is in the forecast and more than likely fields will be closed later in the week. Relating this back the the initial conversation, I would suggest parents also try to determine how a coach feels about training on rainy days or when fields are closed. Does he/she look for indoor space, hold Zoom sessions to review various aspects of recent games, or just cancel and say "see you at the next practice". So did you have practice on Monday?
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